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FJ1346 from ashes to... Well, we'll see...

Started by skymasteres, October 17, 2012, 06:32:46 PM

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JMR

Quote from: skymasteres on October 01, 2013, 06:23:26 PM






It made the routing a little more direct but it works. Oh, and I couldn't use the stock brake line bracket.


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Why don't you use some nylon spiral wrap around that stainless line as it will cut into everything. It doesn't cost much....like pennies.

DB Cooper

I had the same problem when I did my swap - the rear tire wouldn't even lock up in gravel. I rarely use my rear brake, however if I have a passenger, it would be nice to have that little extra. I tried a set of EBC HH, and it made a huge difference. Not quite as good as the stock brake, but more than acceptable.
Kevin.
I remember when sex was safe and skydiving was dangerous.

1tinindian

Try making an adjustment to the rear brake pedal.
I did that to mine earlier this year and I have more rear brake than I need, but that's OK, I can modulate it very well and plan on keeping it that way.
I'm also using Galfer rear wave rotor/ Galfer pads and SS brake line.

Leon
"I want to be free to ride my machine without being hassled by the "man"!
91 FJ1200

skymasteres

Quote from: 1tinindian on October 01, 2013, 10:33:56 PM
Try making an adjustment to the rear brake pedal.
I did that to mine earlier this year and I have more rear brake than I need, but that's OK, I can modulate it very well and plan on keeping it that way.
I'm also using Galfer rear wave rotor/ Galfer pads and SS brake line.

Leon

I'll have to look into that. As it stands now though, I have it adjusted right where it gives me great feedback and travel.


Quote from: DB Cooper on October 01, 2013, 09:36:48 PM
I had the same problem when I did my swap - the rear tire wouldn't even lock up in gravel. I rarely use my rear brake, however if I have a passenger, it would be nice to have that little extra. I tried a set of EBC HH, and it made a huge difference. Not quite as good as the stock brake, but more than acceptable.
Kevin.

Between you and Mark, I'll have to give those HH sintered pads a try. I'll probably bear with it for a while though as the pads in the GSXR caliper are nearly new.

FJmonkey

Quote from: skymasteres on October 02, 2013, 06:25:39 PM
Between you and Mark, I'll have to give those HH sintered pads a try. I'll probably bear with it for a while though as the pads in the GSXR caliper are nearly new.

Then start using your rear brake as primary for all stops. You will likely get about 5 rear tires to every front...... Maybe 6 or 7....
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

'86 Ambulance - Bent frame, cracked case, due for an overhaul
'89 Stormy Blue - Suits my Dark Side

RichBaker

Quote from: skymasteres on October 01, 2013, 06:23:26 PM

Oh, and my charge issue seems to be temperature related. When the bike is cool in the morning the alternator is
putting out 13.8-14.1V. After a half hour this drops to a very dynamic range of 10.5-12.9V. I'm not sure what to
make of it. But it always seems to start out strong when the engine is cold...

Sounds like the regulator is breaking down when it gets hot....
Rich Baker - NRA Life, AZCDL, Trail Riders of S. AZ. , AMA Life, BRC, HEAT Dirt Riders, SAMA....
Tennessee Squire
90 FJ1200, 03 WR450F ;8^P

FJmonkey

Quote from: RichBaker on October 02, 2013, 06:49:21 PM
Sounds like the regulator is breaking down when it gets hot....

Broken 2nd bolt, he fixed the voltage issue for now...
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

'86 Ambulance - Bent frame, cracked case, due for an overhaul
'89 Stormy Blue - Suits my Dark Side

RichBaker

Mark, I doubt the low voltage has anything to do with the broken bolt.... But, I could be wrong.
Rich Baker - NRA Life, AZCDL, Trail Riders of S. AZ. , AMA Life, BRC, HEAT Dirt Riders, SAMA....
Tennessee Squire
90 FJ1200, 03 WR450F ;8^P

HARTLESS

I may have missed this but are you using an installed voltmeter or just checking periodically? it probably doesn't matter either way, but I noticed that when I installed my voltmeter it reads anywhere from 11(idle with brake lights and a signal on) to 14.5(above 2500rpm). but also sometimes I get different readings when just at idle( set at about 1300rpm) and I think it is because I used cheap wire that isn't the correct gauge for the application.
STRIVE FOR PERFECTION, SETTLE FOR EXCELENCE

I ride HARTLESS or don't ride at all!

skymasteres

Quote from: HARTLESS on October 04, 2013, 06:44:24 PM
I may have missed this but are you using an installed voltmeter or just checking periodically? it probably doesn't matter either way, but I noticed that when I installed my voltmeter it reads anywhere from 11(idle with brake lights and a signal on) to 14.5(above 2500rpm). but also sometimes I get different readings when just at idle( set at about 1300rpm) and I think it is because I used cheap wire that isn't the correct gauge for the application.

Yeah, I don't think the broken bolt was the cause. But it seemed to have an effect initially.
(Although it's more likely that it was just my perception of the issue.)

I have a handlebar mounted volt meter and the sucker does dance quite a bit...



Although in my case I am using heavy enough wire that it shouldn't be causing that issue. I'm not sure if
it's maybe an electronic noise issue or what.  It just seems unreasonable that I'd have that much of a
voltage swing while riding. On the bright side though, I have high hopes for this deoxit stuff. I sprayed it
on all of the contacts for the ignition system on the V-65 and it seems to have fixed the issue of the pulse
generators dying on me after about 15 minutes of riding.

Quote from: RichBaker on October 02, 2013, 06:49:21 PM

Sounds like the regulator is breaking down when it gets hot....

It seems to me that if the regulator was breaking down when it got hot, wouldn't it go the other way and
give me the full output voltage of the alternator?

RichBaker

Wire size should NOT matter, there should be minimal current flow to the V gauge.....   As far as the reg breaking down, it could go either way.
Rich Baker - NRA Life, AZCDL, Trail Riders of S. AZ. , AMA Life, BRC, HEAT Dirt Riders, SAMA....
Tennessee Squire
90 FJ1200, 03 WR450F ;8^P

HARTLESS

Quote from: skymasteres on October 08, 2013, 05:06:24 PM
Quote from: HARTLESS on October 04, 2013, 06:44:24 PM
I may have missed this but are you using an installed voltmeter or just checking periodically? it probably doesn't matter either way, but I noticed that when I installed my voltmeter it reads anywhere from 11(idle with brake lights and a signal on) to 14.5(above 2500rpm). but also sometimes I get different readings when just at idle( set at about 1300rpm) and I think it is because I used cheap wire that isn't the correct gauge for the application.

Yeah, I don't think the broken bolt was the cause. But it seemed to have an effect initially.
(Although it's more likely that it was just my perception of the issue.)

I have a handlebar mounted volt meter and the sucker does dance quite a bit...



Although in my case I am using heavy enough wire that it shouldn't be causing that issue. I'm not sure if
it's maybe an electronic noise issue or what.  It just seems unreasonable that I'd have that much of a
voltage swing while riding. On the bright side though, I have high hopes for this deoxit stuff. I sprayed it
on all of the contacts for the ignition system on the V-65 and it seems to have fixed the issue of the pulse
generators dying on me after about 15 minutes of riding.

Quote from: RichBaker on October 02, 2013, 06:49:21 PM

Sounds like the regulator is breaking down when it gets hot....

It seems to me that if the regulator was breaking down when it got hot, wouldn't it go the other way and
give me the full output voltage of the alternator?
I have the same volt meter.. $2.99 special! could be the meter
STRIVE FOR PERFECTION, SETTLE FOR EXCELENCE

I ride HARTLESS or don't ride at all!

skymasteres

Quote from: HARTLESS on October 11, 2013, 01:48:06 PM
I have the same volt meter.. $2.99 special! could be the meter

Well, I ran my good fluke voltmeter to check that and it was getting the same weird readings.

Of course, while I was working on the instrument panel MkII I happened across another possibility that might explain it.

Quote from: FJmonkey on October 02, 2013, 07:03:45 PM
Broken 2nd bolt, he fixed the voltage issue for now...
Close. The positive battery terminal bolt was a little loose. Or at least loose enough to allow the cables to wiggle
around. So, maybe this was the source of some of the other odd behavior. I won't know for sure  until I get this
thing done... (I'll still be cleaning all the fairing connections when I put the HID kit in to eliminate that as an issue)

I'm using a 36" wide aluminum door threshold as the source material for my second panel. It was $8 and change at
Lowes. (As opposed to $12 for a 2"x1/8"x36" piece that didn't meet my needs anyway) The only caviot is that it
takes a lot more work to get it into a usable shape.

On a side note, extruded aluminum is pretty tough stuff when you are trying to use hand tools to fatigue it and
break off a 1/8" thick flange...



Once the flange was removed and the last bit sanded down I could move onto getting everything laid out and start
cutting holes in it.



So far so good. Of course this is the mess of wires that I have to deal with on the back side of it.
(Really regretting not putting a 4pin connector on it. But maybe I'll add one in the future)


   


movenon

Looks good Mike. I did the same except used 3/16 - 1/4 inch sheet black plastic (PVC I think). Has a pebble texture on the face. I am going to make another one during the rebuild. Easy to drill and trim.



George
Life isn't about having the best, but about making the best of what you have...

1990 FJ 1200

FJmonkey

Quote from: skymasteres on October 16, 2013, 02:58:58 PM
On a side note, extruded aluminum is pretty tough stuff when you are trying to use hand tools to fatigue it and
break off a 1/8" thick flange...

What a trooper, I would had chosen grit removal, grind the #$@& off!!!
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

'86 Ambulance - Bent frame, cracked case, due for an overhaul
'89 Stormy Blue - Suits my Dark Side