Right wing double speak decries the break down of society while conveniently forgetting the cause.
Leadership.
Here's an article that may be of interest to some. (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100100708/the-moral-decay-of-our-society-is-as-bad-at-the-top-as-the-bottom/)
(http://i.imgur.com/W6smi.jpg)
The Ruts Babylons Burning
THE RUTS - BABYLONS BURNING (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCkNu9OxThc#)
Prophetic in a way.
Well, I read this article; my opinion is the writer is trying to dismiss the bad behavior of the looters by pointing to the bad behavior of the pols and blaming them. Sorry, my bad behavior does not justify YOUR bad behavior.
Criminals need to be punished.
Arsonists need to be severely punished.
Next!
No justice, no peace. It will soon happen here, but bigger and badder as we are Americans and committ to these matters. The rich will not pay fair tax if they can avoid it, this is wrong.
class warfare crap.
Quote from: simi_ed on August 12, 2011, 08:17:45 AM
Well, I read this article; my opinion is the writer is trying to dismiss the bad behavior of the looters by pointing to the bad behavior of the pols and blaming them. Sorry, my bad behavior does not justify YOUR bad behavior.
Criminals need to be punished shot.
Arsonists need to be severely punished shot twice.
Next!
FTFY
Quote from: simi_ed on August 12, 2011, 08:17:45 AM
Criminals need to be punished.
Arsonists need to be severely punished.
And meanwhile one of our "brothers" over on the XJR1300UK forum has a shop right in the middle of the trouble spot and gets to snooze a couple of hours a night with one eye open, goes out in the middle of the night to confront the scum and protect his own property armed with nothing more than whatever he can hold while the cops sit around twiddling their thumbs debating whether maybe they can use rubber bullets... F**k the rubber bullets, break out the hollow points I reckon...
Quote from: terryk on August 12, 2011, 08:38:48 AM
No justice, no peace. It will soon happen here, but bigger and badder as we are Americans and committ to these matters. The rich will not pay fair tax if they can avoid it, this is wrong.
So Terry,
Just what do you think is rich and what exactly should be their fair share?
Just asking....
CraigO
Your words, not mine. As I understand the Brit laws, if you try to defend yourself inside your home, your going to jail!
Good luck with that ...
Agreed, How much is enough? If the taxes become too high, I'll take my ball & go home. After all, someone has to sit in the guard tower.
- All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for
enough good men to do nothing.
- Edmund Burke
British law allows for self defense in the streets or in your home. Brit law - "A defendant is entitled to use reasonable force to protect himself, others for whom he is responsible and his property. It must be reasonable." It is relevant that the defendant was under pressure from imminent attack and may not have had time to make entirely rational decisions, so the test must balance the objective standard of a reasonable person by attributing some of the subjective knowledge of the defendant, including what they believed about the circumstances, even if mistaken. However, even allowing for mistakes made in a crisis, the amount of force must be proportionate and reasonable given the value of the interests being protected and the harm likely to be caused by use of force. So, a guy has a club or a knife and is a reasonable threat, you can protect yourself. A guy just hurt someone else, you can defend yourself and attack the provicator. This is far better than California law, ehich says you must retreat, run away, if you can regardless of the fact that someone has invaded your home. You must leave if you can and can not lawfully attack the person who has entered your home with ill intent perhaps.
Quote from: terryk on August 12, 2011, 09:39:22 AM
British law allows for self defense in the streets or in your home. <snip> This is far better than California law, which says you must retreat, run away, if you can regardless of the fact that someone has invaded your home. You must leave if you can and can not lawfully attack the person who has entered your home with ill intent perhaps.
Not correct. CA law allows for self defense if your home is invaded; in fact CA has a pretty good version of the Castle Doctrince:
California Penal Code Section 198.5
Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or
great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to
have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great
bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that
force is used against another person, not a member of the family or
household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and
forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or
had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred.
As used in this section, great bodily injury means a significant
or substantial physical injury.
Quote from: WestOzXJR on August 12, 2011, 09:28:52 AM
- All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for
enough good men to do nothing.
- Edmund Burke
Nice quote from Burke, it has familiar ring; as if I've heard it before ...
The CA law is not so straight forward. Important point - 1) Reasonable self defense. People
v. Bates, the defendant and the victim were involved in a "tussle" in
the kitchen of the defendant's restaurant.13 The victim grabbed a
knife and stabbed the defendant in the hip.14 The defendant grabbed
and secured the knife, and then repeatedly stabbed the victim in the
back, killing him.15 The court stated, "Self-defense may be resorted
to in order to repel force, but not to inflict vengeance."16 Although
the victim attacked first, the court concluded that there was no reason
for the defendant to take the victim's life.17 Yup, welcome to CA, get stabbed, you can not overkill as this is vengeance, can not make this stuff up. California self-defense law is concerned with your acts...as opposed to the acts of the person whom you attacked or killed. It is not so clear cut really although a good lawyer can help.
Quote from: simi_ed on August 12, 2011, 08:17:45 AM
Well, I read this article; my opinion is the writer is trying to dismiss the bad behavior of the looters by pointing to the bad behavior of the pols and blaming them. Sorry, my bad behavior does not justify YOUR bad behavior.
Criminals need to be punished.
Arsonists need to be severely punished.
Next!
How then do you suggest the malfeasance and criminal behaviour of the politicians, bankers, news moguls and other captains of industry be punished?
Quote from: Klavdy on August 12, 2011, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: simi_ed on August 12, 2011, 08:17:45 AM
need to be punished.
How then do you suggest the malfeasance and criminal behavior of the politicians, bankers, news moguls and other captains of industry be punished?
Same way...
Quote from: rktmanfj on August 12, 2011, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: simi_ed on August 12, 2011, 08:17:45 AM
Well, I read this article; my opinion is the writer is trying to dismiss the bad behavior of the looters by pointing to the bad behavior of the pols and blaming them. Sorry, my bad behavior does not justify YOUR bad behavior.
Criminals need to be punished shot.
Arsonists need to be severely punished shot twice.
Next!
FTFY
Yes,power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
What worked for Mao, works for you.
Your model is in vogue in Syria as well.
The media and politicians are spinning the riots as nothing more than "low quality people taking advantage",
and for sure there are those people that are stealing as much stuff as they can. (We are after all humans, and capable of anything) But there are a few articles starting to emerge telling another story of a poor class that has no work, no chance work in the forseeable future and the politicians have wiped their hands of them, these are the people that are rioting. The cut backs to social services to pay off the national debt has so many people hurting that the riots are a results.
They simply don't give a F--- anymore, same as in Syria, Libya, Greece and Wisconsin.
Quote from: Klavdy on August 12, 2011, 06:37:20 PM
Yes,power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
What worked for Mao, works for you.
Your model is in vogue in Syria as well.
What a load. Are we really comparing people protecting themselves and their property from lawless mobs with dictator atrocities - because they had guns in common.
I'd like to hear how the corrupt politicians, media moguls, politicians and bankers being punished by these idiot rioters? All I see is the little guys, merchant class, getting hurt by punk kids and welfare lifers who want something for nothing while justifying it claims of "disenfranchisement" .. another load of crap. If you don't like your life on the goverment dole, get some education or training and get a damn job. The worlds tough, suck it up. If you don't like it, get political and vote for something better. Surely things could be better, but burning it down is not an option.
Burning it down seems to be an option, apparently. It has happened in the States before, and may again.
I think what Danny means is it's not an effective option for bringing about political or economic change.
Sure they'll riot, loot, and burn stuff. Usually their own neighborhoods. That always makes a powerful political statement.
Here's another take on London's rioting. More realistic than the original post, IMO :hi:
TED NUGENT: Rise of the goons:Thank a liberal for creating a legion of rioting dependents
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/12/rise-of-the-goons/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/12/rise-of-the-goons/)
Quote from: simi_ed on August 15, 2011, 03:56:12 AM
Here's another take on London's rioting. More realistic than the original post, IMO :hi:
TED NUGENT: Rise of the goons:Thank a liberal for creating a legion of rioting dependents
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/12/rise-of-the-goons/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/12/rise-of-the-goons/)
Outstanding... :good:
bring back the draft.
Yup, no bias or extreme views her - The shiftless, looting goons and their liberal allies think rich people should be taxed more, and more economic advantages must be provided to largely uneducated, unskilled, lazy, incompetent goons. So, riots are the result of lazy, uneducated incompetents running amok in society. Not even close. And, Ted Nugent, social dynamics expert, har har. He should stick to his music not social engineering or extremist views. The NYT folks printed this to make fun of Nugent and his like minded friends, and Nugent does not even understand he is the butt of a joke here.
Quote from: terryk on August 15, 2011, 09:48:59 AM
Yup, no bias or extreme views her - The shiftless, looting goons and their liberal allies think rich people should be taxed more, and more economic advantages must be provided to largely uneducated, unskilled, lazy, incompetent goons. So, riots are the result of lazy, uneducated incompetents running amok in society. Not even close. And, Ted Nugent, social dynamics expert, har har. He should stick to his music not social engineering or extremist views. The NYT folks printed this to make fun of Nugent and his like minded friends, and Nugent does not even understand he is the butt of a joke here.
It was the wash times, not NYT.. big difference. NYT would not print this in a million years. And I don't believe it was printed as a joke.
If wrong, jokes on me too since The Nuge and I are seeing eye to eye on this one.
-Dan the Extremely Extreme Extremist
Well, you're entitled to your opinion, as am I. I'm a lot more aligned with Nugent. These folks are not getting enough from the public teat, so they're now going to burn & loot to get more? I can't accept that!
Yep, I have to go along with Dan, Ed and Ted here. Welfare should never be a lifestyle. And, as a working, overtaxed paying American, I am sick and tired of the "huddled masses" not getting off their collective a$$es and making their lot better.
This rap loving gang banging goon mentality needs better role models than Pditty, 50cent and the like. And Ebonics is not a language. English is what you need to speak to get ahead in the US. That whole life style needs to be made an embarrassment and a shame.
Just my $.02
CraigO
hear! hear! craig o!
I just went to the rap loving gang banging goon mentality Facebook page. Apparently they had read over this post and had the following comments. Seems they think the use of the inflamatory language is just so much collateral whiz. They believe the posters lack a certain amount of humblebrag. And,many of the thininking is little more than a mental chiptease. Oh, and Pditty and 50 cents, a bit dated my hommies according to the rap loving gang banging goon mentality leadership . Please update the reference to Nicki Minaj or Pitbull ( really Pitbull is pretty good stuff). Lastly they do suspect that the postings in question are regularly seen, apparently repeated often, on the "get off my lawn you dang kids Facebook page. Hmm, they might have a point. :good:
Amazing...........Ted makes too much sense for the liberal mind to comprehend........so therefore, Ted is a joke. :wacko3:
Nice way to get personal flyover :crazy:. Sorry about bagging on Ted, but I personally think he is a loud mouth who should know better. BTW, not that it matters much, I earn my liivng, a good one , by thinking and Iam not usually confued by the likes of the so called common sense of the Nudge, or Rush or write your favorite conservative name here.
Quote from: terryk on August 15, 2011, 01:35:56 PM
Sorry about bagging on Ted
No, you're not.
Quote from: terryk on August 15, 2011, 01:35:56 PM
BTW, not that it matters much, I earn my liivng, a good one , by thinking
It doesn't matter at all how much you make...
Apparently, you don't think much about proofreading.
So, by this implication, you think you are far more intellectual than the rest of us, and we should be swayed by your opinion?
Quote from: terryk on August 15, 2011, 01:35:56 PM
I personally think he is a loud mouth who should know better... Iam not usually confued by the likes of the so called common sense of the Nudge, or Rush or write your favorite conservative name here.
Honestly, who cares? In about 25 posts, you have done little that I can see but troll the far-left viewpoint on just about everything, and offered nothing toward the main subject of this board. By now, we all know where you stand.
Yes you are correct. 1) I could not care less about bagging on old Ted, I think he is an arsehole. 2) I am not trying to sway your opinion or others. I would need to care enough about your opinion to bother, frankly I do not in this case. I am busy so expect a few typos, sorry. OK, I am not really sorry. :sarcastic:
terryk, Did I get personal when I typed "liberal"? I was refering to the "they" with the Facebook page that had read Nugent's column and was commenting on it. I really should know better than to feed the trolls...............you have any FJ content or is this all there is?
I contribute to FJ content, read my posts fly over. But this string is not about the FJ it is about the london riots.
Oh and flyover, psst, there is no rap loving gang banging goon mentality Facebook page, I think. I made that up.
Quote from: terryk on August 15, 2011, 03:08:32 PM
Yes you are correct. 1) I could not care less about bagging on old Ted, I think he is an arsehole. 2) I am not trying to sway your opinion or others. I would need to care enough about your opinion to bother, frankly I do not in this case. I am busy so expect a few typos, sorry. OK, I am not really sorry. :sarcastic:
Well, then... have balls enough to post your shitty response in the correct thread, Einstein...
Of course,my posting error so please forgive me. My post, shitty perhaps, but not the point. Here is the point, Peyton Manning is the best GAY quarterback in the NFL. Gotta love it.
Quote from: terryk on August 15, 2011, 03:51:00 PM
Of course,my posting error so please forgive me. My post, shitty perhaps, but not the point. Here is the point, Peyton Manning is the best GAY quarterback in the NFL. Gotta love it.
Please do let me know next time you are in Indy, so you can make that point in person, will ya? :biggrin:
Typical liberal, leftist misdirection... when political rhetoric doesn't work on your audience, resort to ridiculous insults.
Quote from: terryk on August 15, 2011, 03:51:00 PM
Of course,my posting error so please forgive me. My post, shitty perhaps, but not the point. Here is the point, Peyton Manning is the best GAY quarterback in the NFL. Gotta love it.
Ok, now that was a little bit funny.. :) there may be some hope for Terry K. Snell. :empathy:
I recommend coming to a Rally for re-education after which you can return to Kalifornistan to as a correct thinking member of society. Who knows, maybe it'll catch on down there.
Quote from: ddlewis on August 15, 2011, 04:43:01 PM
Quote from: terryk on August 15, 2011, 03:51:00 PM
Of course,my posting error so please forgive me. My post, shitty perhaps, but not the point. Here is the point, Peyton Manning is the best GAY quarterback in the NFL. Gotta love it.
Ok, now that was a little bit funny.. :)
+1
Quote from: Travis398 on August 15, 2011, 05:27:57 PM
Quote from: ddlewis on August 15, 2011, 04:43:01 PM
Quote from: terryk on August 15, 2011, 03:51:00 PM
Of course,my posting error so please forgive me. My post, shitty perhaps, but not the point. Here is the point, Peyton Manning is the best GAY quarterback in the NFL. Gotta love it.
Ok, now that was a little bit funny.. :)
+1
Yea, meanwhile the OP is laughing his ass off at all of this......... (popcorn)
Quote from: Pat Conlon on August 15, 2011, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: Travis398 on August 15, 2011, 05:27:57 PM
Quote from: ddlewis on August 15, 2011, 04:43:01 PM
Quote from: terryk on August 15, 2011, 03:51:00 PM
Of course,my posting error so please forgive me. My post, shitty perhaps, but not the point. Here is the point, Peyton Manning is the best GAY quarterback in the NFL. Gotta love it.
Ok, now that was a little bit funny.. :)
+1
Yea, meanwhile the OP is laughing his ass off at all of this......... (popcorn)
Me too... lefties are fun when they don't get their way. :biggrin:
Quote from: craigo on August 15, 2011, 11:24:31 AM
Yep, I have to go along with Dan, Ed and Ted here. Welfare should never be a lifestyle. And, as a working, overtaxed paying American, I am sick and tired of the "huddled masses" not getting off their collective a$$es and making their lot better.
This rap loving gang banging goon mentality needs better role models than Pditty, 50cent and the like. And Ebonics is not a language. English is what you need to speak to get ahead in the US. That whole life style needs to be made an embarrassment and a shame.
Just my $.02
CraigO
Too right CraigO, the working, overtaxed American citizen has got to stop paying for welfare.
Those billions of dollars of your money would be far better spent on the huddled masses of Car Makers, Bankers and Wall Street,they need to keep their accustomed lifestyle,oh, um, wait,
Didn't you guys just try that?
Believe me Klavdy,
I don't intend my tax $$$ to go to those entities either. Corporate bailouts are no better than the common welfare just allowing for their own version of entitlement. I am no stronger for or against any of these failing entities. If they can not survive on their own, then they need to follow Darwin's law and fall by the wayside.
On another note, We know that you enjoy going for the jugular in fun. A true pot stirrer to be sure. But don't change a thing. It keep both sides guessing.
CraigO