Londons Burning

[Klavdy]

Right wing double speak decries the break down of society while conveniently forgetting the cause.
Leadership.
Here's an article that may be of interest to some.

[FJ111200]

The Ruts  Babylons Burning

THE RUTS - BABYLONS BURNING 

Prophetic in a way.

[simi_ed]

Well, I read this article; my opinion is the writer is trying to dismiss the bad behavior of the looters by pointing to the bad behavior of the pols and blaming them.  Sorry, my bad behavior does not justify YOUR bad behavior.  

Criminals need to be punished.  
Arsonists need to be severely punished.  

Next!

[terryk]

No justice, no peace. It will soon happen here, but bigger and badder as we are Americans and committ to these matters. The rich will not pay fair tax if they can avoid it, this is wrong.

[ddlewis]

class warfare crap.

[rktmanfj]

Well, I read this article; my opinion is the writer is trying to dismiss the bad behavior of the looters by pointing to the bad behavior of the pols and blaming them.  Sorry, my bad behavior does not justify YOUR bad behavior.  

Criminals need to be punished shot.  
Arsonists need to be severely punished shot twice.  

Next!

FTFY

[WestOzXJR]

Criminals need to be punished.  
Arsonists need to be severely punished.

And meanwhile one of our "brothers" over on the XJR1300UK forum has a shop right in the middle of the trouble spot and gets to snooze a couple of hours a night with one eye open, goes out in the middle of the night to confront the scum and protect his own property armed with nothing more than whatever he can hold while the cops sit around twiddling their thumbs debating whether maybe they can use rubber bullets... F**k the rubber bullets, break out the hollow points I reckon...

[craigo]

No justice, no peace. It will soon happen here, but bigger and badder as we are Americans and committ to these matters. The rich will not pay fair tax if they can avoid it, this is wrong.

So Terry,

Just what do you think is rich and what exactly should be their fair share? 

Just asking....

CraigO

[simi_ed]

Your words, not mine.  As I understand the Brit laws, if you try to defend yourself inside your home, your going to jail! 

Good luck with that ...

[simi_ed]

Agreed, How much is enough?  If the taxes become too high, I'll take my ball & go home.  After all, someone has to sit in the guard tower.

[WestOzXJR]

- All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for
enough good men to do nothing.

- Edmund Burke

[terryk]

British law allows for self defense in the streets or in your home. Brit law - "A defendant is entitled to use reasonable force to protect himself, others for whom he is responsible and his property. It must be reasonable." It is relevant that the defendant was under pressure from imminent attack and may not have had time to make entirely rational decisions, so the test must balance the objective standard of a reasonable person by attributing some of the subjective knowledge of the defendant, including what they believed about the circumstances, even if mistaken. However, even allowing for mistakes made in a crisis, the amount of force must be proportionate and reasonable given the value of the interests being protected and the harm likely to be caused by use of force. So, a guy has a club or a knife and is a reasonable threat, you can protect yourself. A guy just hurt someone else, you can defend yourself and attack the provicator. This is far better than California law, ehich says you must retreat, run away, if you can regardless of the fact that someone has invaded your home. You must leave if you can and can not lawfully attack the person who has entered your home with ill intent perhaps.

[simi_ed]

British law allows for self defense in the streets or in your home. <snip> This is far better than California law, which says you must retreat, run away, if you can regardless of the fact that someone has invaded your home. You must leave if you can and can not lawfully attack the person who has entered your home with ill intent perhaps.

Not correct.  CA law allows for self defense if your home is invaded; in fact CA has a pretty good version of the Castle Doctrince:


   
California Penal Code Section 198.5

Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or
great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to
have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great
bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that
force is used against another person, not a member of the family or
household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and
forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or
had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred.
  As used in this section, great bodily injury means a significant
or substantial physical injury.

[simi_ed]

- All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for
enough good men to do nothing.

- Edmund Burke

Nice quote from Burke, it has  familiar ring; as if I've heard it before ...

[terryk]

The CA law is not so straight forward. Important point - 1) Reasonable self defense. People
v. Bates, the defendant and the victim were involved in a "tussle" in
the kitchen of the defendant's restaurant.13 The victim grabbed a
knife and stabbed the defendant in the hip.14 The defendant grabbed
and secured the knife, and then repeatedly stabbed the victim in the
back, killing him.15 The court stated, "Self-defense may be resorted
to in order to repel force, but not to inflict vengeance."16 Although
the victim attacked first, the court concluded that there was no reason
for the defendant to take the victim's life.17 Yup, welcome to CA, get stabbed, you can not overkill as this is vengeance, can not make this stuff up. California self-defense law is concerned with your acts...as opposed to the acts of the person whom you attacked or killed. It is not so clear cut really although a good lawyer can help.