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rktmanfj

Quote from: Arnie on April 12, 2012, 08:07:42 PM
Now that is rich.  From the country that believes it has a god given right to be cop to the world and to dictate how every other country should behave.  A complaint for others to not be allowed to comment on policies that are forced upon the rest of the world by "his" country that refuses to even allow oversight by the world court.  I suppose you also support free speech even when you don't happen to agree, right? Or is that ONLY for US citizens?  And before you start hurling "patriotic", ethnocentric accusations at this foreigner, I'm not.  I am a US citizen who votes, and is able and willing to criticize where and when I feel it is deserved.

Arnie

Quote from: rktmanfj on April 12, 2012, 02:51:27 PM

My question is why do some people who are not US citizens feel it's okay to repeatedly bitch about our policies and laws?

We have had members before who were living in the States, were not eligible to vote, but still felt it was okay to be an activist about revoking our 2nd amendment rights as US citizens.  We have those who hate the TSA.  We have those who hate the police and/or the military.

I don't complain about the laws of other governments... if I don't agree, I just don't go there.  Being a free man, I have the option to do that.

Either move here, assimilate and vote you own mind, or deal with it.       :pardon:

A bit touchy, Arnie?  Everyone should have free speech... but if it's not your country, and you choose to be here of your own volition, then either gain citizenship and vote, tough it out, or leave.

It would be okay with me if the US let all the rest fight it out, and let the chips fall where they may (and while we are at it, withhold the Billions in handouts), but I don't recall mentioning foreign policy specifically.  I DID, however, specify domestic US laws and polices, ie: the 2nd amendment to the US Constitution and TSA.  These are OUR laws, and IMO, those who visit here should either 'do as the Romans do', or if they really find it that distasteful, stay the hell out.

I'm well aware of your citizen status... this is not the first time you have mentioned it.

terryk

Quote from: rktmanfj on April 13, 2012, 06:48:36 AM
Quote from: Arnie on April 12, 2012, 08:07:42 PM
Now that is rich.  From the country that believes it has a god given right to be cop to the world and to dictate how every other country should behave.  A complaint for others to not be allowed to comment on policies that are forced upon the rest of the world by "his" country that refuses to even allow oversight by the world court.  I suppose you also support free speech even when you don't happen to agree, right? Or is that ONLY for US citizens?  And before you start hurling "patriotic", ethnocentric accusations at this foreigner, I'm not.  I am a US citizen who votes, and is able and willing to criticize where and when I feel it is deserved.

Arnie

Quote from: rktmanfj on April 12, 2012, 02:51:27 PM

My question is why do some people who are not US citizens feel it's okay to repeatedly bitch about our policies and laws?

We have had members before who were living in the States, were not eligible to vote, but still felt it was okay to be an activist about revoking our 2nd amendment rights as US citizens.  We have those who hate the TSA.  We have those who hate the police and/or the military.

I don't complain about the laws of other governments... if I don't agree, I just don't go there.  Being a free man, I have the option to do that.

Either move here, assimilate and vote you own mind, or deal with it.       :pardon:

A bit touchy, Arnie?  Everyone should have free speech... but if it's not your country, and you choose to be here of your own volition, then either gain citizenship and vote, tough it out, or leave.

It would be okay with me if the US let all the rest fight it out, and let the chips fall where they may (and while we are at it, withhold the Billions in handouts), but I don't recall mentioning foreign policy specifically.  I DID, however, specify domestic US laws and polices, ie: the 2nd amendment to the US Constitution and TSA.  These are OUR laws, and IMO, those who visit here should either 'do as the Romans do', or if they really find it that distasteful, stay the hell out.

I'm well aware of your citizen status... this is not the first time you have mentioned it.

Just an FYI - the USA is a signatory to multiple treaties for human rights that run across multiple nations and the whole world. Human rights are owned to all people regardless of ethnicity, religion or nationality. Free speech is afforeded all people in the USA as are many of the protections and rights under the constitution.

History will affirm Arnie's observation that the USA post 911 has abandonded their legal obligations under quite a few of the treaties in effect for human rights. This is pretty unamerican in many regards. Not to mention the use of torture, which still continues in various forms and through surrogates and the wide spread observation and illegal wire tapping of innocent citizens including intercepting and listening to all our communications including cell phone traffic and e-mail. It is an outrage that is not bitched about enough.

Oh, I think the TSA sucks as well and I travel a lot. I speak back when they are rude to me. I once called one TSA guy a jack ass when he acted like one. I will not be intimidated by glorified rent a cops who get off on their power trips. Know your rights. I do not feel safer with these clowns on the job as the bad guys will learn ways around their "security".


simi_ed

Quote from: terryk on April 13, 2012, 09:53:38 AM

Oh, I think the TSA sucks as well and I travel a lot. I speak back when they are rude to me. I once called one TSA guy a jack ass when he acted like one. I will not be intimidated by glorified rent a cops who get off on their power trips. Know your rights. I do not feel safer with these clowns on the job as the bad guys will learn ways around their "security".


Well, it's a first; we pretty much agree on something!
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Ed
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- All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for
enough good men to do nothing.

- Edmund Burke

terryk

Quote from: simi_ed on April 13, 2012, 10:14:12 AM
Quote from: terryk on April 13, 2012, 09:53:38 AM

Oh, I think the TSA sucks as well and I travel a lot. I speak back when they are rude to me. I once called one TSA guy a jack ass when he acted like one. I will not be intimidated by glorified rent a cops who get off on their power trips. Know your rights. I do not feel safer with these clowns on the job as the bad guys will learn ways around their "security".


Well, it's a first; we pretty much agree on something!

Good, I am glad. See I can find common ground with anyone, even someone who really believes in the  lunatic tea party notions held by the tin hat crowd. I am proud to be an American. :good2:

mst3kguy

Quote from: rktmanfj on April 12, 2012, 02:51:27 PM

My question is why do some people who are not US citizens feel it's okay to repeatedly bitch about our policies and laws?

We have had members before who were living in the States, were not eligible to vote, but still felt it was okay to be an activist about revoking our 2nd amendment rights as US citizens.  We have those who hate the TSA.  We have those who hate the police and/or the military.

I don't complain about the laws of other governments... if I don't agree, I just don't go there.  Being a free man, I have the option to do that.

Either move here, assimilate and vote you own mind, or deal with it.       :pardon:

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Dan Filetti

Quote from: terryk on April 13, 2012, 10:26:52 AM
Good, I am glad. See I can find common ground with anyone, even someone who really believes in the  lunatic tea party notions held by the tin hat crowd.

You were doing so well!! Then, not so much Must be those 'Socal manners' kicking in...

Live hardy, or go home. 

simi_ed

Quote from: terryk on April 13, 2012, 10:26:52 AM
Quote from: simi_ed on April 13, 2012, 10:14:12 AM
Quote from: terryk on April 13, 2012, 09:53:38 AM

Oh, I think the TSA sucks as well and I travel a lot. I speak back when they are rude to me. I once called one TSA guy a jack ass when he acted like one. I will not be intimidated by glorified rent a cops who get off on their power trips. Know your rights. I do not feel safer with these clowns on the job as the bad guys will learn ways around their "security".


Well, it's a first; we pretty much agree on something!

Good, I am glad. See I can find common ground with anyone, even someone who really believes in the  lunatic tea party notions held by the tin hat crowd. I am proud to be an American. :good2:


OK, Terry, you win. Now my 'Socal manners' are kicking in... You insult me while I'm agreeing with you?  I don't agree with you're; you're an asshole, and I'm done with you.  There, happy now???    :drinks:
-- RKBA Regards,

Ed
===
Ed Thiele 
Simi Valley, CA -- I no longer have SoCal manners.
'89 FJ12C (Theft deterrent Silver/White)


- All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for
enough good men to do nothing.

- Edmund Burke

Dan Filetti

Quote from: simi_ed on April 13, 2012, 11:12:51 AM
OK, Terry, you win. Now my 'Socal manners' are kicking in... You insult me while I'm agreeing with you?   

Jinks!
Live hardy, or go home. 

terryk

Quote from: simi_ed on April 13, 2012, 11:12:51 AM
Quote from: terryk on April 13, 2012, 10:26:52 AM
Quote from: simi_ed on April 13, 2012, 10:14:12 AM
Quote from: terryk on April 13, 2012, 09:53:38 AM

Oh, I think the TSA sucks as well and I travel a lot. I speak back when they are rude to me. I once called one TSA guy a jack ass when he acted like one. I will not be intimidated by glorified rent a cops who get off on their power trips. Know your rights. I do not feel safer with these clowns on the job as the bad guys will learn ways around their "security".


Well, it's a first; we pretty much agree on something!

Good, I am glad. See I can find common ground with anyone, even someone who really believes in the  lunatic tea party notions held by the tin hat crowd. I am proud to be an American. :good2:


OK, Terry, you win. Now my 'Socal manners' are kicking in... You insult me while I'm agreeing with you?  I don't agree with you're; you're an asshole, and I'm done with you.  There, happy now???    :drinks:

Uh, yeah, my life is now complete.

Pat Conlon

I have no problem with the TSA.... I want them to be as effective as possible...Anything I can do to help them, I will. Do they need more money for enhanced body scanners? Give it to them. It's tax payer money well spent.

The sad fact is, with the shear number of stealth lunatic bombers available, it only takes a few successful mid air detonations before fear sets in and the consumers lose confidence and curtail their flying...then another billion dollar US industry goes in the toilet.

Got a beef with the TSA? Simple, don't fly. Take a train or boat.
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Quote from: Pat Conlon on April 13, 2012, 12:34:23 PM
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terryk

Quote from: Pat Conlon on April 13, 2012, 12:34:23 PM
I have no problem with the TSA.... I want them to be as effective as possible...Anything I can do to help them, I will. Do they need more money for enhanced body scanners? Give it to them. It's tax payer money well spent.

The sad fact is, with the shear number of stealth lunatic bombers available, it only takes a few successful mid air detonations before fear sets in and the consumers lose confidence and curtail their flying...then another billion dollar US industry goes in the toilet.

Got a beef with the TSA? Simple, don't fly. Take a train or boat.

The boat does not have reliable service to either Salt Lake City, Dallas, Pheonix or Denver from my house.

I am scared of trains, clowns and right wing ultra conservatives so the train is out as well. Especially if it has tea party clowns aboard. :rofl:

Pat, I think I will fly and fight back against the system. Personal choice.




simi_ed

Quote from: terryk on April 13, 2012, 02:37:29 PM

The boat does not have reliable service to either Salt Lake City, Dallas, Pheonix or Denver from my house.
Try clicking your heels 3 times.  It may work for you!

Quote from: terryk on April 13, 2012, 02:37:29 PM


I am scared of trains, clowns and right wing ultra conservatives so the train is out as well. Especially if it has tea party clowns aboard.

Us right wing types have been known to fly, some of us even work at airports.  Better keep looking over your shoulder, we're everywhere! :greeting:
-- RKBA Regards,

Ed
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Simi Valley, CA -- I no longer have SoCal manners.
'89 FJ12C (Theft deterrent Silver/White)


- All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for
enough good men to do nothing.

- Edmund Burke

craigo

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terryk

Quote from: craigo on April 13, 2012, 05:28:06 PM
Liberals are like Slinky's - not good for anything but will bring a smile to your face when pushed down a flight of stairs.

CraigO

We prefer the term progressives. Like in the sentence - the progressive president Franklin Delanor Roosevelt defeated the Nazis and the Japanese Empire in WW2.

Versus say Regan, who watched TV, fingered Nancy and talked big and sold guns to Iran. No shooting war for that guy, unless you count his cutting and running in Lebanon.