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My Initial Tear Down and Surprises lol 1992 Fj1200

Started by RevDeal, January 14, 2020, 09:11:28 PM

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FJmonkey

Quote from: RevDeal on January 24, 2020, 06:16:39 PM
Quote from: FJmonkey on January 24, 2020, 06:11:35 PM
Yep, that looks like the plug to me.

It is definitely melted! Do you have a favorite fix out of the ones listed?

Yes, the 1/4 fast on (slip fit), insulated. Reverse the gender so each side has a male and a female and cannot be accidentally cross connected. The failed plug and fix pictured in Pat's post is my FJ.
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

'86 Ambulance - Bent frame, cracked case, due for an overhaul
'89 Stormy Blue - Suits my Dark Side

Pat Conlon

....and once the fix is made, you ask yourself, "Why did it melt?"
1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

CutterBill

Quote from: Pat Conlon on January 24, 2020, 08:48:34 PM....and once the fix is made, you ask yourself, "Why did it melt?"
Because water got into the connection. Water causes corrosion. Corrosion causes high resistance. Electricity flowing thru a high resistance causes heat. Enough heat and the plastic melts.

The fix is to replace the connector.

The solution is to keep water out of the connector. Short of fiddling about with a sealed connector, the only thing you can do is fill the connector with dielectric grease before you push the connector ends together.
Bill
Never Slow Down, Never Grow Old.

Current Stable:                                                     
FJ1100                                              
FJ1200 (4)
1999 Yamaha WR400 (street-legal)
2015 Super Tenere
2002 Honda Goldwing

RevDeal

Equipped on this bike is the RPM rear brake light/turn signal combo. It also has a Givi rack with turn signals. Is it possible to hook up both sets of turn signals without messing up the electrical? Currently there are only indicators wired in the brake light.
1992 FJ1200A (ABS Delete) 
1980 CB750k (gone to a new home)

RevDeal

Another Question
I may have a solid lead on a 92 GSXR rear wheel conversion. My 1992 FJ has Abs will the abs cause a problem in the swap?
1992 FJ1200A (ABS Delete) 
1980 CB750k (gone to a new home)

Pat Conlon

Quote from: RevDeal on February 01, 2020, 09:01:39 PM
Another Question
I may have a solid lead on a 92 GSXR rear wheel conversion. My 1992 FJ has Abs will the abs cause a problem in the swap?


".....will the ABS cause a problem in the swap?"
 Nope, it will be the other way around. The swap will cause a problem with the ABS.
No great loss in my book.....I am not a fan of the FJ ABS...
1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

RevDeal

Quote from: Pat Conlon on February 01, 2020, 09:15:10 PM
Quote from: RevDeal on February 01, 2020, 09:01:39 PM
Another Question
I may have a solid lead on a 92 GSXR rear wheel conversion. My 1992 FJ has Abs will the abs cause a problem in the swap?


".....will the ABS cause a problem in the swap?"
 Nope, it will be the other way around. The swap will cause a problem with the ABS.
No great loss in my book.....I am not a fan of the FJ ABS...

So Pat what are the repercussions?
Can I just do a rear wheel swap right now and remove the abs box or is this a heavy project?

Appreciate the advice, I am not concerned about losing abs.
1992 FJ1200A (ABS Delete) 
1980 CB750k (gone to a new home)

Pat Conlon

With the GSXR wheel you will lose the rear wheel sensor which will cause the red abs trouble light to illuminate.
1) Pull the abs fuse.
2) Take all (front and back) the ABS brake lines off.
3) Plan on buying new front and rear brake lines.  Run them like the conventional FJ lines.

That will get you on the road..... You can remove the ABS pump and harness at your leisure.

It will be a great time to upgrade to the R1 blue dot monoblock calipers and a 14mm front m/c.

1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

racerrad8

On my 92, I converted to non ABS wheels.

I removed both ABS fuses and nothing else. I did not remove and lines or the pump. All of the original ABS plumbing through the pump is intact.

No troubles with this setup.

Randy - RPM

Randy - RPM

RevDeal

Quote from: racerrad8 on February 01, 2020, 11:31:01 PM
On my 92, I converted to non ABS wheels.

I removed both ABS fuses and nothing else. I did not remove and lines or the pump. All of the original ABS plumbing through the pump is intact.

No troubles with this setup.

Randy - RPM


Thanks randy that is good to hear! I will check out the front wheel bolt on setup. It may be a project to save up for given the need for both and the availability of rims
1992 FJ1200A (ABS Delete) 
1980 CB750k (gone to a new home)

Pat Conlon

If you have already replaced your 28 year old oem rubber lines on your ABS, follow Randy's advice.

If you have not replaced the oem rubber brake lines (you need to) throw the entire ABS brake line system away and follow my advice.
1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

RevDeal

Quote from: Pat Conlon on February 02, 2020, 12:59:22 PM
If you have already replaced your 28 year old oem rubber lines on your ABS, follow Randy's advice.

If you have not replaced the oem rubber brake lines (you need to) throw the entire ABS brake line system away and follow my advice.

Very well noted!
I have been searching this site for a list of comapitable front rims. I only catch glimpse of the FZR, but nothing for sure.
If I am not mistaken I can always just swap it out for a non abs model front as well?

Not looking to do forks right now, so just a bolt on would be ideal.
1992 FJ1200A (ABS Delete) 
1980 CB750k (gone to a new home)

Pat Conlon

Quote from: RevDeal on February 02, 2020, 01:41:25 PM

....If I am not mistaken I can always just swap it out for a non abs model front as well?

Not looking to do forks right now, so just a bolt on would be ideal.

Yes, you could replace your front ABS rim (and rotors) with a FJ non abs rim (and rotors) but why?
There will be no advantage...both 17" rims are 3" wide. You can not use your ABS rotors on your non ABS rim.
Instead, save your money and bide your time....keep an eye out for a 3.5" wide rim.
'87/88 FZR750 or FZR1000 are plug and play, but hard to find.
The '89+ FZR rim will work with special wheel bearings (needed for the FJ 15mm dia. axle) or instead of the special bearings you keep the oem FZR bearings and drill out the FJ fork legs so you can fit the larger 17mm dia. '89+ FZR front axle.
Personally, I like the idea of a using a stronger front 17mm axle on our heavy bikes.

IOW wait on your ABS front rim for a wider 3 1/2" rim.

1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

CutterBill

Maybe this will help with the GSXR rear wheel swap...
I have a pile of GSXR wheels and a 92 FJ12 with the rear wheel off so I did some measuring, then made the attached sketch.  It's very basic and needs more info but I think the dimensions are pretty close.

Hope it helps,
Bill
Never Slow Down, Never Grow Old.

Current Stable:                                                     
FJ1100                                              
FJ1200 (4)
1999 Yamaha WR400 (street-legal)
2015 Super Tenere
2002 Honda Goldwing

FJ_Hooligan

I ditched the ABS on my '93 since it never worked. 

I replaced the brakelines with a conventional setup using VENHILL lines.

All the ABS electronics are easily removed.  They plug into the main harness and have a handful of connections.  The ABS boxes are all located in the tail end of the rear cowl.

The hardest part was getting the ABS pump out.  I believe I had to remove the rear shock and disconnect most of the linkages to make room to drop the pump out the bottom. 
DavidR.