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Started by balky1, August 18, 2015, 01:31:20 PM

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ribbert

Quote from: balky1 on August 20, 2015, 05:48:00 AM
Yep, probably.

Thx Noel. All sort of things come to my mind also right now. :-)

No, pushing it off a cliff wasn't what I had in mind  :biggrin:

Noel
"Tell a wise man something he doesn't know and he'll thank you, tell a fool something he doesn't know and he'll abuse you"

balky1

Quote from: ribbert on August 20, 2015, 07:04:34 AM
Quote from: balky1 on August 20, 2015, 05:48:00 AM
Yep, probably.

Thx Noel. All sort of things come to my mind also right now. :-)

No, pushing it off a cliff wasn't what I had in mind  :biggrin:

Noel


:rofl2:


FJ 1100, 1985, sold
FJR 1300, 2009

Firehawk068

There are all kinds of fuel petcock replacement screens available.

Get something like this--->http://www.jpcycles.com/product/720-097

Get some sort of fuel resistant epoxy, and glue it to your petcock.

Like Noel said, just go to a "Powersports" type shop or dealer. I'm sure they have a number of different screens behind the counter.
Alan H.
Denver, CO
'90 FJ1200

jscgdunn

Quote from: FJmonkey on August 20, 2015, 03:35:33 AM
Quote from: balky1 on August 20, 2015, 02:04:16 AM
Yeah, but how to fix it when I can't find it anywhere. Except to buy the whole petcock and right now not enough money for such thing. That filter is on my priority list for long time, since I've seen it has been tampered with, but couldn't find it anywhere. In-line filter is out of the question because of starvation probs, as I've read it here.

I was also surprised that without the filter I've still ridden the bike 15000 km witout any problems. That would mean that either the fuel tank and fuel were very clean (lol, not obviously :-D) or that I was one lucky SOB not to get any of the jets clogged.

I see, a difficult situation to stay running on a budget. Perhaps some other members here can find some options that will help. I will will keep looking, you are not the only one looking for a filter unit to fit an '84/'85.

[edit] I just found something and sent you a PM

Re: Starvation Problems: I can tell you that we have a wix inline (from Randy) on our 86 because of the tank and it has no starvation issues except possibly at very high rpms for an extended period.  In normal riding there are no issues at all.

Jeff
92 FJ1200 2008 ZX14 Forks, wheels, 2008 cbr 600 RR swingarm
92 FJ1200 2009 R1 Swinger, Forks, Wheels, 2013 CBR 1000 Shock
90 FJ 1200 (Son # 2), Stock
89 FJ 1200 Built from parts: (Brother bought it) mostly 92 parts inc. motor
84 FJ 1100 (Son #1), 89 forks wheels, blue spots

ribbert

Quote from: balky1 on August 20, 2015, 05:44:07 AM
.......coarser filter should, by my logic also, work fine.......

The idea of the screen at the source is also to keep crap out of the petcock. An in-line filter that free flowing would not be considered by most to be a filter. I'm not even sure cheap in line filters offer degrees of filtration.

Noel
"Tell a wise man something he doesn't know and he'll thank you, tell a fool something he doesn't know and he'll abuse you"

jscgdunn

Boy Noel, you are a nighthawk.  :mail1:
92 FJ1200 2008 ZX14 Forks, wheels, 2008 cbr 600 RR swingarm
92 FJ1200 2009 R1 Swinger, Forks, Wheels, 2013 CBR 1000 Shock
90 FJ 1200 (Son # 2), Stock
89 FJ 1200 Built from parts: (Brother bought it) mostly 92 parts inc. motor
84 FJ 1100 (Son #1), 89 forks wheels, blue spots

AppleJack

I've recently been dealing with this same issue.  All the fine mesh screen material missing from petcock inlet. 

I got some metal window screen material and JB Weld intended for gas tank repair and simply "JB'd" it in place.  Obviously much larger openings but, I believe, better than nothing. 

http://www.travers.com/81-007-303?Category=UserSearch=81-007-303&gclid=CK2AtJfjwccCFYc6gQodP80AcA

Haven't totally finished carbs rebuild yet, so will report back when ready to ride!

Good luck with it...
Jon Appleby

balky1

Quote from: AppleJack on August 24, 2015, 08:06:45 AM
I've recently been dealing with this same issue.  All the fine mesh screen material missing from petcock inlet. 

I got some metal window screen material and JB Weld intended for gas tank repair and simply "JB'd" it in place.  Obviously much larger openings but, I believe, better than nothing. 

http://www.travers.com/81-007-303?Category=UserSearch=81-007-303&gclid=CK2AtJfjwccCFYc6gQodP80AcA

Haven't totally finished carbs rebuild yet, so will report back when ready to ride!

Good luck with it...

I got the carbs down. Float was set high in carb 2 from which it leaks. I hoped that is the problem, set all floats to 23 mm, but leaks still. So I ordered new float valve and seat to get rid of the problems. But I will have to wait for it until monday. Meanwhile no riding.  :gamer:

Petcock screen repair still in progress. I will report the success (or failure  :bomb:).


FJ 1100, 1985, sold
FJR 1300, 2009

FJ1100mjk

Quote from: AppleJack on August 24, 2015, 08:06:45 AM
I got some metal window screen material and JB Weld intended for gas tank repair and simply "JB'd" it in place.

Just a word of warning, but depending on what JB Weld that you used, some are only classed as "resistant" to gasoline, and may not fare too well if submersed in gasoline.

See sixth FAQ down...

http://www.jbweld.com/pages/faqs
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Pat Conlon

Quote from: balky1 on August 24, 2015, 08:17:37 AM
I hoped that is the problem, set all floats to 23 mm, but leaks still. So I ordered new float valve and seat to get rid of the problems.....

Did you Replace all of your float needle seat o rings?  You need to, they dry out, loose their seals and leak.
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balky1

Quote from: Pat Conlon on August 24, 2015, 11:34:39 AM
Quote from: balky1 on August 24, 2015, 08:17:37 AM
I hoped that is the problem, set all floats to 23 mm, but leaks still. So I ordered new float valve and seat to get rid of the problems.....

Did you Replace all of your float needle seat o rings?  You need to, they dry out, loose their seals and leak.

Well... No.


FJ 1100, 1985, sold
FJR 1300, 2009

AppleJack

MJK - Yes, I made certain that the product was compatible for gasoline.  Says so right on the packaging -

"Will cure submerged in water or gasoline"

Thanks...
Jon Appleby

FJmonkey

Quote from: AppleJack on August 24, 2015, 07:47:15 PM
MJK - Yes, I made certain that the product was compatible for gasoline.  Says so right on the packaging -

"Will cure submerged in water or gasoline"

Thanks...

That open mesh is like nothing at all.
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Flynt

Quote from: FJmonkey on August 24, 2015, 08:01:59 PM
Quote from: AppleJack on August 24, 2015, 07:47:15 PM
MJK - Yes, I made certain that the product was compatible for gasoline.  Says so right on the packaging -

"Will cure submerged in water or gasoline"

Thanks...

That open mesh is like nothing at all.

+1.  Make a little sock out of a fine mesh and put it on over the corse one you have there.  Now you've got a fine mesh with a strong structure to support it AND a nice little bag to capture the JBW chunks if it goes to shit.  Great plan!

Frank
There's plenty of time for sleep in the grave...

balky1

Quote from: FJmonkey on August 24, 2015, 08:01:59 PM
Quote from: AppleJack on August 24, 2015, 07:47:15 PM
MJK - Yes, I made certain that the product was compatible for gasoline.  Says so right on the packaging -

"Will cure submerged in water or gasoline"

Thanks...

That open mesh is like nothing at all.

It is coarse for sure, but if you saw the chunk that got stuck in my petcock.... Even with such mesh, it wouldn't.

Just as an info for you all. Sieve makers usually sell stainless steel mesh also. With various apertures. If anyone need it. Tyler is the manufacturer in USA, in EU there are many: Retsch and Endecotts for example.


FJ 1100, 1985, sold
FJR 1300, 2009