So after having a leaky clutch line, I have decided to replace all of the lines on my FJ with braided lines. I found a site that has kits available, but the kit says that it fits 1988 and on FJs...I have an 86, will the kit work?
http://www.allbikebrakes.com/products/A.B.B-Stainless-Brake-Lines-Yamaha-FJ1200-1988%252d1996.html (http://www.allbikebrakes.com/products/A.B.B-Stainless-Brake-Lines-Yamaha-FJ1200-1988%252d1996.html)
Any advice is appreciated.
i would think that that kit does not have the lines for the anti-dive on 86's, if you still have them on you would need a couple of extra lines not used on 88 onward models.
The A-D units never worked very well (if at all). Your best solution is to just run 2 brake lines from the master directly to the calipers.
I'm not sure if you can just leave the A-D units open or if you need to cap them where the banjo connects.
Others on the list should be able to tell you.
Arnie
Can't say I have the answer for you JohnH, but I think Arnie is correct that you would need to cap off where the A-D units connected.
I've been wanting to find a place that sells the entire kit like that myself. Nice site.
Quick question for everyone. I see a couple different brands on the site provided. Any preference or brands that should be avoided?
I was going to buy a full set with the A/D lines from Spiegler Performance. I have a few friends who have purchased their lines in the past and are pleased with the product. Here's the link to their site;
http://spieglerusa.com/ (http://spieglerusa.com/)
Quote from: E Double on August 31, 2011, 06:34:33 PM
I was going to buy a full set with the A/D lines from Spiegler Performance. I have a few friends who have purchased their lines in the past and are pleased with the product. Here's the link to their site;
http://spieglerusa.com/ (http://spieglerusa.com/)
Not cheap, but damn nice!
I used them for my caliper update and eliminated the 3rd line!
Most nice.
Leon
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Quote from: Arnie on August 28, 2011, 08:13:43 AM
The A-D units never worked very well (if at all). Your best solution is to just run 2 brake lines from the master directly to the calipers.
I'm not sure if you can just leave the A-D units open or if you need to cap them where the banjo connects.
Others on the list should be able to tell you.
Arnie
You can use bolts with crush washers in place of the original AD banjo bolts.
QuoteNot cheap, but damn nice!
I used them for my caliper update and eliminated the 3rd line!
Most nice.
Leon
So help me understand please. There is a line that runs from the reservoir to the T connection, and then one to each caliper. Correct? Which line did you eliminate?
Quote from: Scooterbob on September 02, 2011, 10:27:02 AM
QuoteNot cheap, but damn nice!
I used them for my caliper update and eliminated the 3rd line!
Most nice.
Leon
So help me understand please. There is a line that runs from the reservoir to the T connection, and then one to each caliper. Correct? Which line did you eliminate?
Double banjo bolt at the m/c, and a line directly to each caliper... chuck the splitter into the trash.
Some guys use the double bolt on one of the calipers and run a line up and over to the other caliper.
Any advantage to that, besides one less line?
Quote from: Scooterbob on September 02, 2011, 10:27:02 AM
So help me understand please. There is a line that runs from the reservoir to the T connection, and then one to each caliper. Correct? Which line did you eliminate?
Eliminate the single line that runs from the M/C to the "Y".
The advantage is one less connection that might leak, and it cleans up the installed appearance of the bike.
Randy is right, just transfer the double banjo bolt up to the M/C.
I took solder wire and used that as my guide to get the length right for the double lines.
Leon
Quote from: Scooterbob on September 02, 2011, 12:34:44 PM
Any advantage to that, besides one less line?
Not really.
Along with one less line, you will be reducing the bolt/crush washer connections from 4 single/1 double down to 2 single/1double.
I found that the double line setup was slightly easier to bleed.
The bubbles went directly uphill to the master cylinder instead of being routed through the tee.
Prolly just my imagination....I have not been right since the 60's......
Leon, your bike is sooooo bitchen.
aaaah Scooterbob, this reminds me, did you know that your saddlebag brackets saved my ass in my last low side accident?
Yep, They kept my R side soft bag from collapsing against the bike and thus, along with saving my seat and bodywork, the bag absorbed the blow and kept my bike off my right leg. Your bracket allowed the soft bag to do this...Thank you Bob for such a bitchen idea and product.
I did think of you while I was sliding down the road....good thoughts! Again Thank you!
Here is a PM I had with Pat when I was is the process of getting my lines.
Pats comments are in red, and were a great help!
Thanks again Pat!
Leon
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Quote from: 1tinindian on September 02, 2011, 12:44:47 PM
The advantage is................................ it cleans up the installed appearance of the bike.
I don't think so, I think the double lines near the bars looks like shit.
Not that anyone cares what I think though
Quote from: Travis398 on September 02, 2011, 01:51:04 PM
I don't think so, I think the double lines near the bars looks like shit.......
:cray:
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Quote from: Travis398 on September 02, 2011, 01:51:04 PM
Quote from: 1tinindian on September 02, 2011, 12:44:47 PM
The advantage is................................ it cleans up the installed appearance of the bike.
I don't think so, I think the double lines near the bars looks like shit.
Yea what he said, it just looks hokey.
I have never had a problem bleeding brakes with a spliter and never had a banjo bolt loosen.
Now I am kinda new at this, I only have worked on this stuff for 25 years or so.
Bob W
You guys are right, it DOES look like shitt! :crazy: :dash2: :lol:
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QuoteI don't think so, I think the double lines near the bars looks like shit.
Not that anyone cares what I think though
I have to agree with ya. With both! :biggrin:
You are doing away with: 1 less T fitting, 1 less line, 2 less bolts and 4 crush washers. Who gives a shit what it looks like?
They are just brakelines for Pete's sake.
Geeeze what a tough crowd..... I think I will go polish something....
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 02, 2011, 06:10:05 PM
I think I will go polish something....
Used that line before........
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 02, 2011, 06:10:05 PM
You are doing away with: 1 less T fitting, 1 less line, 2 less bolts and 4 crush washers. Who gives a shit what it looks like?
They are just brakelines for Pete's sake.
Geeeze what a tough crowd..... I think I will go polish something....
Agreed! I have the master to caliper set up on all my bikes. 3 have Speigler lines. I'm sure some people feel the same way about remote reservoir clutch/brake masters. :biggrin:
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 02, 2011, 06:10:05 PM
You are doing away with: 1 less T fitting, 1 less line, 2 less bolts and 4 crush washers. Who gives a shit what it looks like?
They are just brakelines for Pete's sake.
Geeeze what a tough crowd..... I think I will go polish something....
"That's what she said!" (Michael Scott) :lol:
Quote from: JMR on September 02, 2011, 06:25:19 PM
..... I'm sure some people feel the same way about remote reservoir clutch/brake masters. :biggrin:
You mean the urine cups? :rofl2:
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 02, 2011, 06:34:14 PM
Quote from: JMR on September 02, 2011, 06:25:19 PM
..... I'm sure some people feel the same way about remote reservoir clutch/brake masters. :biggrin:
You mean the urine cups? :rofl2:
You're funny Pat. :rofl2:
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 02, 2011, 02:07:14 PM
Quote from: Travis398 on September 02, 2011, 01:51:04 PM
I don't think so, I think the double lines near the bars looks like shit.......
:cray:
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Awww, there , there ,there, Pat, Don't cry,
Your Bike is one of the best, even with the double brake lines. :empathy3:
BTW, is the 84 fixed and on line again, as well as yourself?
Hope so,
CraigO
Quote from: craigo on September 02, 2011, 07:21:24 PM
BTW, is the 84 fixed and on line again, as well as yourself?
Not yet Craig. I have yet to get the fairing repainted: http://www.precisionmotorcyclepainting.com/ (http://www.precisionmotorcyclepainting.com/) $440 for factory Stormy Red and Quartz Silver, dark blue stripe and 2 hand rubbed coats of clear. I think that's a fair price quote from these guys considering the paint alone would cost ~$160
With my '84 apart, I still have my '92 to ride.
Physically I'm all healed except my left hand (dislocated thumb) I'm good for about 6-10 pulls on the clutch before the pain comes and I loose strength.
baaah, who uses the clutch anyway? Cheers amigo! Everyone have a great weekend! It's hot and I getting the hell out of the desert... Surf's up. Pat
Quote from: craigo on September 02, 2011, 07:21:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 02, 2011, 02:07:14 PM
Quote from: Travis398 on September 02, 2011, 01:51:04 PM
I don't think so, I think the double lines near the bars looks like shit.......
:cray:
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Awww, there , there ,there, Pat, Don't cry,
Your Bike is one of the best, even with the double brake lines. :empathy3:
BTW, is the 84 fixed and on line again, as well as yourself?
Hope so,
CraigO
I have to say I was never a big fan of the 84/85 FJ's BUT Pat's is the nicest one I have ever seen. Not kissing ass...just a compliment from a discerning eye. Oh..wait a minute....I don't mind urine cups and 2 line brake systems. Nevermind.
Quote from: JMR on September 02, 2011, 08:48:44 AM
You can use bolts with crush washers in place of the original AD banjo bolts.
perhaps a dumb question, but...what size bolts?
Hey Pat,
Did the place that is going to paint your fairing also repair it? I have a few small cracks in mine and when the time comes for me to take the bike apart and make everything bright and shiny again I'd like to send the fairing out, get the cracks fixed and get it repainted in the stock '84 colors.
Also, how much is it going to cost to send it out to them? South bend is closer to me (About 750 miles door to door) but the fairing isn't the smallest thing in the world.
P.S.-I'm glad that you're healing up. Its a long, painful path back to good health after you've been broken up in an accident. I spent a decent part of my 20's disproving my own long held belief that I was 10 foot tall and bulletproof; A broken tailbone, one shoulder, wrist, collarbone and elbow and 275 stitches later I can confidently say that I am indeed neither that tall nor that impervious to injury!
Cheers,
Dennis
Dennis
Quote from: E Double on September 03, 2011, 05:09:01 PM
Hey Pat,
Did the place that is going to paint your fairing also repair it? I have a few small cracks in mine and when the time comes for me to take the bike apart and make everything bright and shiny again I'd like to send the fairing out, get the cracks fixed and get it repainted in the stock '84 colors.
Dennis
Hey Guys, why don`t you contact this U.S. company to copy all your FJ gear? http://www.wimp.com/functionaltools/ (http://www.wimp.com/functionaltools/) (Amazing) :i_am_so_happy:
Quote from: JohnH on September 03, 2011, 04:15:21 PM
Quote from: JMR on September 02, 2011, 08:48:44 AM
You can use bolts with crush washers in place of the original AD banjo bolts.
perhaps a dumb question, but...what size bolts?
Sorry for the late reply....I missed this post. Standard off the shelf 10 X 1.25mm bolt. Get short ones as the there isn't a lot of depth once the banjo lines are gone.
Here is a set for fj with anti dive...
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/300350582651?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/300350582651?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
Cheers
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 02, 2011, 08:32:29 PM
Physically I'm all healed except my left hand (dislocated thumb) I'm good for about 6-10 pulls ... before the pain comes and I loose strength.
TMI.
Quote from: andyb on September 08, 2011, 08:05:51 AM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 02, 2011, 08:32:29 PM
Physically I'm all healed except my left hand (dislocated thumb) I'm good for about 6-10 pulls ... before the pain comes and I loose strength.
TMI.
cleaning the coffee from my laptop... :biggrin:
:lol: (popcorn)
I'd like to order a 3 line universal kit, but can not find the specifics anywhere - line length, fitting types, etc.
Anyone have this information for the 1989 version?
TIA
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 02, 2011, 02:07:14 PM
Quote from: Travis398 on September 02, 2011, 01:51:04 PM
I don't think so, I think the double lines near the bars looks like shit.......
:cray:
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Hi Pat,
What top tripple are you using?...like the handlebar set-up.
Thanks,
Jeff
Quote from: motohorseman on April 11, 2013, 01:43:52 PM
I'd like to order a 3 line universal kit, but can not find the specifics anywhere - line length, fitting types, etc.
Anyone have this information for the 1989 version?
TIA
Here is an eBay link for a set from Galfer. They are pre assembled and should come in the correct length and have the correct angled end fittings. If you still want to know what the lengths of each line is, I would contact Galfer.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/86-87-YAMAHA-FJ-1200-Non-ABS-Front-Brake-Line-Kit-Braided-S-S-Brake-Lines-/400378230354?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d3866f652&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/86-87-YAMAHA-FJ-1200-Non-ABS-Front-Brake-Line-Kit-Braided-S-S-Brake-Lines-/400378230354?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d3866f652&vxp=mtr)
Fred
It's a 1992 FZR1000 top clamp, drilled for bar clamps. The entire front end is off the FZR. Plug and play.
Thanks.
Quote from: motohorseman on April 11, 2013, 01:43:52 PM
I'd like to order a 3 line universal kit, but can not find the specifics anywhere - line length, fitting types, etc.
Anyone have this information for the 1989 version?
TIA
My goof, I didn't pay attention to the year. Here is a link for the 89'.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/89-94-YAMAHA-FJ-1200-Galfer-Front-Brake-Line-Kit-Braided-S-S-Brake-Lines-/400378231483?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d3866fabb&vxp=mtr#ht_977wt_1161 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/89-94-YAMAHA-FJ-1200-Galfer-Front-Brake-Line-Kit-Braided-S-S-Brake-Lines-/400378231483?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d3866fabb&vxp=mtr#ht_977wt_1161)
Fred
The big bonus on the Galfer lines is the ability to rotate the ends to fit at the banjo fittings. Nice especially if you're fitting them to aftermarket calipers or masters and the orientation differs slightly from OEM.
http://www.galferusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Turn-to-fit-web.jpg (http://www.galferusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Turn-to-fit-web.jpg)