So other than having to remove the exhaust every time to gain access to the oil drain plug are there any tips or techniques.
Tom
You can remove one of the oil galley plugs near the bottom,front of the engine. It gets almost all of the oil out, enough for an oil change.
Quote from: FJmonkey on November 12, 2014, 12:03:39 PM
You can remove one of the oil galley plugs near the bottom,front of the engine. It gets almost all of the oil out, enough for an oil change.
Sorry Monkey...The oil galleys are the pressure side of the system and will not drain the sump.
Your only option is to remove the left oil cooler fitting from the oil pan.
No, the galley plug in the pan will not drain the sump either.
Randy - RPM
I knew it was something like that, thanks for the correction Randy.
Is it best to do this on the center stand or side stand? I assume a o ring or washer will be required?
Quote from: racerrad8 on November 12, 2014, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: FJmonkey on November 12, 2014, 12:03:39 PM
You can remove one of the oil galley plugs near the bottom,front of the engine. It gets almost all of the oil out, enough for an oil change.
Sorry Monkey...The oil galleys are the pressure side of the system and will not drain the sump.
Your only option is to remove the left oil cooler fitting from the oil pan.
No, the galley plug in the pan will not drain the sump either.
Randy - RPM
Would that drain the vast majority of oil. Is a new gasket required and do you stock them?
Quote from: wildfire on November 12, 2014, 12:13:05 PM
Is it best to do this on the center stand or side stand? I assume a o ring or washer will be required?
I've been changing the oil by loosening the left side oil cooler fitting as Randy stated and find it is best done with the bike on the side stand.
Zwartie
So just to clarify that is the left side when sitting on the bike. Is a new gasket required?
Quote from: wildfire on November 12, 2014, 12:37:42 PM
So just to clarify that is the left side when sitting on the bike. Is a new gasket required?
FYI, there is only one left, and only one right.
It doesn't matter if you are sitting on it, looking at it upside down, or cross-eyed.
Quote from: 1tinindian on November 12, 2014, 12:52:11 PM
FYI, there is only one left, and only one right.
It doesn't matter if you are sitting on it, looking at it upside down, or cross-eyed.
Leon, it sounds as if this often used phrase ( left side as you're sitting on it ) gets on your goat a bit. That makes two of us. I'm surprised somebody hasn't mentioned it previously. Pete. :wacko3:
Quote from: 1tinindian on November 12, 2014, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: wildfire on November 12, 2014, 12:37:42 PM
So just to clarify that is the left side when sitting on the bike. Is a new gasket required?
FYI, there is only one left, and only one right.
It doesn't matter if you are sitting on it, looking at it upside down, or cross-eyed.
FYI its all relevant on the viewers visual aspect or understand. Sitting on the bike the left will be viewed by many as the right when the same viewer stands in front of the bike so yes it does matter. Unless you of course were trying to say that the business standard of left/right is when viewing a motorcycle or any vehicle is when sitting in the riding/driving seat.
Quote from: wildfire on November 12, 2014, 12:37:42 PM
Is a new gasket required?
There is an
Oil Cooler Fitting O-Ring (http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=Engine%3AOilCoolerOring). You will have to make the decision on how regular you replace it.
Robert - RPM
Quote from: wildfire on November 12, 2014, 01:06:35 PM
Quote from: 1tinindian on November 12, 2014, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: wildfire on November 12, 2014, 12:37:42 PM
So just to clarify that is the left side when sitting on the bike. Is a new gasket required?
FYI, there is only one left, and only one right.
It doesn't matter if you are sitting on it, looking at it upside down, or cross-eyed.
FYI its all relevant on the viewers visual aspect or understand. Sitting on the bike the left will be viewed by many as the right when the same viewer stands in front of the bike so yes it does matter. Unless you of course were trying to say that the business standard of left/right is when viewing a motorcycle or any vehicle is when sitting in the riding/driving seat.
This is precisely why we use "Port" and "Starboard" when sailing. Doesn't matter which way you're looking, the port side is always the port side...even if that's behind you! It would be nice if this was universal with the "Left" and "Right" references on the motorcycle, but I can't trust that anyone but Leon adheres to that.
I will often use "Port side" or "Left as you're sitting on the bike" to avoid confusion.
Quote from: Capn Ron on November 12, 2014, 02:27:25 PM
Quote from: wildfire on November 12, 2014, 01:06:35 PM
Quote from: 1tinindian on November 12, 2014, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: wildfire on November 12, 2014, 12:37:42 PM
So just to clarify that is the left side when sitting on the bike. Is a new gasket required?
FYI, there is only one left, and only one right.
It doesn't matter if you are sitting on it, looking at it upside down, or cross-eyed.
FYI its all relevant on the viewers visual aspect or understand. Sitting on the bike the left will be viewed by many as the right when the same viewer stands in front of the bike so yes it does matter. Unless you of course were trying to say that the business standard of left/right is when viewing a motorcycle or any vehicle is when sitting in the riding/driving seat.
This is precisely why we use "Port" and "Starboard" when sailing. Doesn't matter which way you're looking, the port side is always the port side...even if that's behind you! It would be nice if this was universal with the "Left" and "Right" references on the motorcycle, but I can't trust that anyone but Leon adheres to that.
I will often use "Port side" or "Left as you're sitting on the bike" to avoid confusion.
So true Ron.I often see people getting confused about bike sides so I sometimes I say on the clutch lever or brake lever side. If they dont understand that then they should not be on a bike.
Or for the equine minded: near (left) side and off side. The left side was chosen so you would not foul (if you were right handed) on your sword as you mounted.....it's a little known fact...thanks Cliff! Interesting that most people mount their bike from the near side as well....of course the bike on the kickstand leaning to the left encourages it.
Jeff
Quote from: wildfire on November 12, 2014, 12:02:01 PM
So other than having to remove the exhaust every time to gain access to the oil drain plug are there any tips or techniques.
Tom
The "Fumoto oil drain", there is a thread somewhere in here if you dig deep or someone may re-post the info. It looks like the best solution allowing oil changes without removing your header...It drains to the left.
Quote from: charleygofast on November 12, 2014, 07:41:25 PM
Quote from: wildfire on November 12, 2014, 12:02:01 PM
So other than having to remove the exhaust every time to gain access to the oil drain plug are there any tips or techniques.
Tom
The "Fumoto oil drain", there is a thread somewhere in here if you dig deep or someone may re-post the info. It looks like the best solution allowing oil changes without removing your header...It drains to the left.
I was going to mention that too, just type it into eBay and it will come up.
Noel
Quote from: wildfire on November 12, 2014, 01:06:35 PM
Quote from: 1tinindian on November 12, 2014, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: wildfire on November 12, 2014, 12:37:42 PM
So just to clarify that is the left side when sitting on the bike. Is a new gasket required?
FYI, there is only one left, and only one right.
It doesn't matter if you are sitting on it, looking at it upside down, or cross-eyed.
FYI its all relevant on the viewers visual aspect or understand. Sitting on the bike the left will be viewed by many as the right when the same viewer stands in front of the bike so yes it does matter. Unless you of course were trying to say that the business standard of left/right is when viewing a motorcycle or any vehicle is when sitting in the riding/driving seat.
Here's an easy way to remember it: The side of the bike that the left signal is on is the left side of the bike. The side of the bike that the right signal is on is the right side of the bike. The end of the bike that the headlight is on is the front end and the end of the bike that the tail light is on is the rear end of the bike. If you need someone to explain which is the top and which is the bottom, chances are you've crashed the bike.
Zwartie
Quote from: charleygofast on November 12, 2014, 07:41:25 PM
The "Fumoto oil drain", there is a thread somewhere in here if you dig deep or someone may re-post the info. It looks like the best solution allowing oil changes without removing your header...It drains to the left.
This topic came up on an international XJR1300 forums earlier this year. Here is my opinion of those types of drains.
Randy - RPM
Quote from: racerrad8There is one problem with these types of valve for use in the FJ/XJR series oil pan.
The factory oil plug has a raised boss of approximately 10mm inside the oil pan. They have also added a gap in that boss to ensure all of the oil drains from the sump.
If you look at the picture of the oil plug in the sump, which is approximately 12mm in length, you can see it stands above the raise boss in the pan.
What this means is that you will never completely get all of the old oil out of the sump with this type of product, leaving a 10-12mm depth volume across the base of the oil pan. So, when you change the oil you will always have old oil being mixed with new.
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If you want a reference to know how bad this can be; take a glass of expired, rotten milk, pour out 95% of it, pour in fresh milk on top of the old milk and see how it tastes...
You should stick with the drain plug.
Randy - RPM
I went from the stock exhaust to the RPM exhaust so I bypassed all the drama of removing exhaust bits just to changing my oil. Now my FJ never sounded so good and the RPM exhaust with the carbon fiber can looks awesome. I have also seen first hand that the oil cooler line will piss out all the oil when removed. Get a spare (or more) o-ring(s) from Randy and change it when you think you need to. Kookaloo...
I missed the info on the Fumoto drain installed on an FJ issues...Thanks Randy! I wont be Installing one on my bike. Sorry Wildfire...pulling the cooler line or removing the header are our only options with your V/H, my Yoshimura and so many other aftermarket systems....I am humbled and I stand corrected! Charley.
That is excellent info Randy, and something I didn't even think to consider........................
I wonder if the "Fumoto" style drain plug could be slotted, and indexed to line up with the gap in the thread boss for proper draining............
I still remove my Kerker exhaust when I change oil, but was trying to come up with an idea for draining without exhaust removal...........
I can't afford one of your exhausts right now, but believe me, I would love to :good:
I know exactly what Leon is referring too. George (Movenon) and Mike (Skymasters) can attest to this also. In aviation when references are made too something that is to the left or the right. It is ALWAYS as if you are in the aircraft facing forward.
I believe most professional auto/motorcycle mechanics use the same system.
Fred