George Zimmerman not guilty

[rktmanfj]

I'm getting ready to lock down this topic.

Shawn, if you want more discussion or to argue further...take it to PM or off line.

Why, because of certain people who are tired of it, but just can't resist opening the thread anyway?   

[JPaganel]

I was thinking we were keeping things pretty civil. I mean, there hasn't been a single mention of anyone's mother... 

[FJscott]

Thank You Pat

+1....PS, hope you get thru the fires unscathed

[Pat Conlon]

Thanks Scott....you guys have been civilized, what the hell...

[crzyjarmans]

I was thinking we were keeping things pretty civil. I mean, there hasn't been a single mention of anyone's mother... 

I agree, I'm not angry with anyone, but if some are up-set about this topic, I apologize,  It was certainly not my intention to offend anyone

[HARTLESS]

Haha if this isn't civil, then I don't think I've ever had a civil conversation in my life lol

[JPaganel]

This is a pretty good breakdown of things: http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/on-profiling-and-stand-your-ground/

Larry is a bit less polite than I would be, but he is very much to the point.

[The General]

This is a pretty good breakdown of things: http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/on-profiling-and-stand-your-ground/

Larry is a bit less polite than I would be, but he is very much to the point.

Excellent Read. Thought provoking on many levels. Thanks.

[Travis398]

  

[Dan Filetti]

Regarding the question: 'who threw the first punch', as in my mind this is where the law was first broken in the encounter.  It seems that some of the 'haters' seem to think it may have been Zimmerman.  I find this absurd. As evidence, one must, in my mind, merely ask themselves one simple question: What sort of an idiot carries a gun and starts throwing punches? 

Answer: pretty much no one.   

Dan

[JMR]

This is a pretty good breakdown of things: http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/on-profiling-and-stand-your-ground/

Larry is a bit less polite than I would be, but he is very much to the point.

I cannot believe a sitting President would say such dumb shit. I have lost  what little respect I had for the fella after reading that article. I am not discounting the black experience but .....really?? Why doesn't he talk about Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the IRS, stalling key components of his healthcare plan etc etc. Topics that beg for his input.
Next thing you know he will be reviewing movies for us.

[The General]

Recognise this guy




Very enlightening

Five years on the streets and in the hood will certainly age a kid----
Recognize this guy?   Even Fox News doesn't use this photo.
ATT00002.jpeg
Do you know who this is?
It is Little Trayvon Martin . . . at 17 yrs of age!

For those of us who thought we were well informed and weren't . . . this is quite a realty check.  That old adage applies here: "There are two sides to every story."

The liberal controlled media all continue to show pictures of 12 year old Trayvon -- NOT 17 year old Trayvon – who, at the time of his death, stood almost 6'2" tall and weighed 175 muscular pounds.  He had numerous run-ins with authorities (both at school and with local police), had been stopped and almost arrested two days before his death for smacking a bus driver in the face, because the driver refused to let him ride for free.

He was released because the driver was told by the bus company not to press charges and to continue on his route.

When "little Trayvon" was suspended at school, it was not only because he tried to bring a little marijuana in with him, he was in possession of wedding rings, watches, and other jewellery that he said he "found on the way to school that day," along with a large screwdriver.  The jewellery was turned over to the Police by the school.

I am not trying to say this was a good shooting.

I am not trying to say this kid deserved to die.

I am saying the media in the USA is controlled by liberals who twist and distort what you see and hear in order for you to see things their way.

Not a single paper has printed RECENT photos of this kid  (in which he exhibits a mouthful of gold teeth and all of his tattoos) or admitted that he was a marijuana dealer, because it would change your opinion in this case.  His friends on Facebook all say he had the "best plants." 
President Obama looked at the FIVE YEAR OLD PHOTO the media chose to show the Nation and said, "If I had a son . . . he would look like Trayvon." 
From that comment we can assume he did not bother to look for the facts in this shooting.
  Or, should we assume he would want a son who is a 17 year old drug dealing, gold toothed, tattooed thug whose name on one of his facebook profiles was "Wild Nigga," who 'finds' jewellery and burglary tools on the way to school?

A fair and impartial news media in the USA ?  One that does not follow the preconceived liberal agenda?  One that is NOT looking to further divide this already fractured Nation?
(I didn't compose this.  I'm only passing it on.)
Trayvon at 12 yrs of age.....how he was shown to us!

B60B204BB9C94493978F2C80035E3FBD@richardPC

           Amazing, isn't it?



A. John Gallichon
President
Gallichon Associates

Tel: 1.603.888.2790
Fax: 1.603.897.1099
Skype: john.gallichon

[ribbert]

Other than here, I have never heard of this case nor am I interested, but I have got the gist of it.

I don't believe it has anything to do with a politically manipulated media.

I imagine the media over there is the same as here or anywhere else. The get a hard on every time something like this happens. They adopt the most controversial view and then proceed to report it in the most inflammatory way and then milk it for all it's worth. They do this out self interest. Every player sees a chance to lift their profile, every paper, magazine and news service sees ratings. Every time it looks like losing momentum, they throw the public another bone or seek opinions from increasingly influential and high profile people to keep it alive. They drag up previous similar cases and chew them over again. They interview an ever widening group of people with increasingly tenuous connections to the victim and perpetrator. They speculate, fabricate scenarios, tell us what might have been going through their mind at the time, anything to keep it going. They reveal new information "that has just come to hand" that they've had for weeks just waiting for slow spot.

Once the media adopts a view, the "facts" are from that moment on skewed and selectively reported to that end.

The problem is we, for the most part, only have the information they give us to form an opinion from, which is rarely unbiased or complete.

I have a friend (yes, really) who, if not directly involved in similar media frenzy cases, knows the people that are.
Most of the similar cases here are held in open courts with the media having access to all the facts to report. They choose not to. They report, with some embellishments, only the facts that support their view.
The extent of this distortion, often to the detriment of good people involved, is scurrilous.

The only party here that is guilty beyond reasonable doubt is the media. They have manipulated public opinion, created division, fuelled social unrest etc all in the interest of their own self promotion.

[rktmanfj]

Recognise this guy




Very enlightening

Five years on the streets and in the hood will certainly age a kid----
Recognize this guy?   Even Fox News doesn't use this photo.
ATT00002.jpeg
Do you know who this is?
It is Little Trayvon Martin . . . at 17 yrs of age!

For those of us who thought we were well informed and weren't . . . this is quite a realty check.  That old adage applies here: "There are two sides to every story."

The liberal controlled media all continue to show pictures of 12 year old Trayvon -- NOT 17 year old Trayvon – who, at the time of his death, stood almost 6'2" tall and weighed 175 muscular pounds.  He had numerous run-ins with authorities (both at school and with local police), had been stopped and almost arrested two days before his death for smacking a bus driver in the face, because the driver refused to let him ride for free.

He was released because the driver was told by the bus company not to press charges and to continue on his route.

When "little Trayvon" was suspended at school, it was not only because he tried to bring a little marijuana in with him, he was in possession of wedding rings, watches, and other jewellery that he said he "found on the way to school that day," along with a large screwdriver.  The jewellery was turned over to the Police by the school.

I am not trying to say this was a good shooting.

I am not trying to say this kid deserved to die.

I am saying the media in the USA is controlled by liberals who twist and distort what you see and hear in order for you to see things their way.

Not a single paper has printed RECENT photos of this kid  (in which he exhibits a mouthful of gold teeth and all of his tattoos) or admitted that he was a marijuana dealer, because it would change your opinion in this case.  His friends on Facebook all say he had the "best plants." 
President Obama looked at the FIVE YEAR OLD PHOTO the media chose to show the Nation and said, "If I had a son . . . he would look like Trayvon." 
From that comment we can assume he did not bother to look for the facts in this shooting.
  Or, should we assume he would want a son who is a 17 year old drug dealing, gold toothed, tattooed thug whose name on one of his facebook profiles was "Wild Nigga," who 'finds' jewellery and burglary tools on the way to school?

A fair and impartial news media in the USA ?  One that does not follow the preconceived liberal agenda?  One that is NOT looking to further divide this already fractured Nation?
(I didn't compose this.  I'm only passing it on.)
Trayvon at 12 yrs of age.....how he was shown to us!

B60B204BB9C94493978F2C80035E3FBD@richardPC

           Amazing, isn't it?



A. John Gallichon
President
Gallichon Associates

Tel: 1.603.888.2790
Fax: 1.603.897.1099
Skype: john.gallichon

That picture with the facial tattoos has been proven to be a hoax...

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/MARTIN-PHOTO.htm#.Ue_pFNKTiSo

However, this video is worth a watch:

http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-lynching/

[rktmanfj]

Other than here, I have never heard of this case nor am I interested, but I have got the gist of it.

I don't believe it has anything to do with a politically manipulated media.

I imagine the media over there is the same as here or anywhere else. The get a hard on every time something like this happens. They adopt the most controversial view and then proceed to report it in the most inflammatory way and then milk it for all it's worth. They do this out self interest. Every player sees a chance to lift their profile, every paper, magazine and news service sees ratings. Every time it looks like losing momentum, they throw the public another bone or seek opinions from increasingly influential and high profile people to keep it alive. They drag up previous similar cases and chew them over again. They interview an ever widening group of people with increasingly tenuous connections to the victim and perpetrator. They speculate, fabricate scenarios, tell us what might have been going through their mind at the time, anything to keep it going. They reveal new information "that has just come to hand" that they've had for weeks just waiting for slow spot.

Once the media adopts a view, the "facts" are from that moment on skewed and selectively reported to that end.

The problem is we, for the most part, only have the information they give us to form an opinion from, which is rarely unbiased or complete.

I have a friend (yes, really) who, if not directly involved in similar media frenzy cases, knows the people that are.
Most of the similar cases here are held in open courts with the media having access to all the facts to report. They choose not to. They report, with some embellishments, only the facts that support their view.
The extent of this distortion, often to the detriment of good people involved, is scurrilous.

The only party here that is guilty beyond reasonable doubt is the media. They have manipulated public opinion, created division, fuelled social unrest etc all in the interest of their own self promotion.

The only thing I disagree with, Noel, is the 'only party' part.

There is clear evidence that this US Department of Justice and the President added to the frenzy by transporting 'protesters' to Sanford within 48 hours of the shooting.

This, after the initial evidence failed to support an arrest, according to the County Prosecutor and Chief of Police.  Both were replaced, and charges were eventually brought anyway.

IMO, the media the President, and the USDOJ are equally culpable in this abuse of the criminal justice system.