George Zimmerman not guilty

[ddlewis]

The take-home  message for many Americans is that someone can fallow you, provoke you into a fight while consealing a deadly weapon, and then shoot you dead...

Save it.  There is no possible way to construe what Zimmerman did as provocation for a pounding into the concrete.  Trayvon was a young hothead and it got him killed.

Some people want the case to fit that original media circus story (white man, racial hate, murder, black child) so bad that even though the facts showed it was 100% baloney - continuing with their slogans and nonsense as if the facts did not come out..  But it's all crap, we know what happened now.  Should never have been a trial.

[giantkiller]

Attacking someone is attacking someone.
Self-defense is self-defense.
Who you are doesn't matter.

[JCainFJ]

And it is obvious that some people only watch Ted Nugent for their news.



You know, I've tried my damnedest to be respectful to everyone in this thread.  I'm not going to take that bait.     

I find this last statement very interesting, in light of this earlier post...

"It's obvious that you've only watched the MSM's version of what happened down there."

[craigo]

Again, don't look at the media circus. Do your own research into this if it's that important.
To quote Hillary Clinton "At this point what difference does it make"
Funny her commenting on this case but no remorse for what happened in Benghazi.

CraigO

[rktmanfj]

And it is obvious that some people only watch Ted Nugent for their news.

You know, I've tried my damnedest to be respectful to everyone in this thread.  I'm not going to take that bait.     

I find this last statement very interesting, in light of this earlier post...

"It's obvious that you've only watched the MSM's version of what happened down there."

Because your original post on the subject was exactly the BS that the MSM has posted on the subject, which is contrary to what the eyewitness testimony said (both prior to and during the trial) and also was why the Police didn't want to charge Zimmerman (the Police Chief lost his job over it, at least temporarily) and why the original County Prosecutor did not want to bring charges.

'Stand-your-ground' didn't apply, and wasn't even used in the trial, because it didn't apply.

Zimmerman didn't provoke Martin into a fight, Martin attacked him, charging him out of the dark after threatening him, tackled Zimmerman to the ground, and sat on him, proceeding to pound his head repeatedly into the concrete.  For this, Zimmerman shot Martin, just as I (or several others here, probably) would have, given the same circumstance.  Had he not been armed, Zimmerman would have, at the very least, suffered life-changing injuries, if not been killed at the hands of Martin, and it didn't matter if Martin was black, brown, white, or purple.

No, this didn't come from Ted Nugent, it came from looking at the evidence presented at trial, actually reading the pertinent parts of the trial transcript, which, given your earlier statement, you obviously have  not  done.

I'm through with you, and any other uninformed soul who cares to argue otherwise.

[JPaganel]

This whole thing is very sad, Martin is dead and Zimmerman may never be safe. I think that's a loose, loose, and the only people getting anything from this are the lawyers.

I'm pretty sure nobody disputes this.

There is no possible way to construe what Zimmerman did as provocation for a pounding into the concrete. 

There is always a way, if one tries hard enough. Especially after the fact.

Trayvon was a young hothead and it got him killed.

Precisely. Happens to teenagers all the time.

[RichBaker]

This is some "inside" info, it starts with part 3, scroll down for parts 2 & 1.  Mas Ayoob is a nationally recognized expert on self defense, and has acted as an expert witness in MANY trials. He explains why he wasn't a witness for this trial in part 1.

If read with an UNbiased mind, it explains a lot about the whole damn thing......

http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/

[crzyjarmans]

OK, None of us where there, So, None of us can say "This is what really happened", Evidence was provided with a 911 operator and Zimmerman, operator asked if he was running after Martin hearing him breath heavy, said "we don't need you to do that", Some one posted that Zimmerman was on his way back to his vehicle, Not sure how he knows this for fact, Sense he wasn't there, One man alive, One man dead, Only Zimmerman and Martin know the real story, Even the witnesses had difference in what happened, So, I will have to stay with my own opinion, Zimmerman did chase after Martin, You, I can not say with certainty, That he didn't actually catch up to Martin by the time the operator said "We don't need you to do that", Zimmerman, In my opinion over reach what he should have done, And that's what stated everything, I don't know who actually threw the first punch, Might have been Martin, Maybe he was bashing his head into the pavement and Zimmerman needed to shot him to defend himself, This is why I don't think he should have gotten Murder, But I do believe his actions should hold some blame on this case, He shouldn't be able to get off Scott free, Wrongful death? something! 

[craigo]

OK, None of us where there, So, None of us can say "This is what really happened", Evidence was provided with a 911 operator and Zimmerman, operator asked if he was running after Martin hearing him breath heavy, said "we don't need you to do that", Some one posted that Zimmerman was on his way back to his vehicle, Not sure how he knows this for fact, Sense he wasn't there, One man alive, One man dead, Only Zimmerman and Martin know the real story, Even the witnesses had difference in what happened, So, I will have to stay with my own opinion, Zimmerman did chase after Martin, You, I can not say with certainty, That he didn't actually catch up to Martin by the time the operator said "We don't need you to do that", Zimmerman, In my opinion over reach what he should have done, And that's what stated everything, I don't know who actually threw the first punch, Might have been Martin, Maybe he was bashing his head into the pavement and Zimmerman needed to shot him to defend himself, This is why I don't think he should have gotten Murder, But I do believe his actions should hold some blame on this case, He shouldn't be able to get off Scott free, Wrongful death? something! 

So by your own post there is reasonable doubt. You can't convict on this.

CraigO

[JMR]

Again, don't look at the media circus. Do your own research into this if it's that important.
To quote Hillary Clinton "At this point what difference does it make"
Funny her commenting on this case but no remorse for what happened in Benghazi.

CraigO

I believe that pic of Trayvon Martin is when he was 14 years old.....more disingenuous behavior on the part of the media. The latest cover of Rolling Stone magazine just further proves the mainstream media is filled with scumbag motherF'rs.

[JPaganel]

This is why I don't think he should have gotten Murder, But I do believe his actions should hold some blame on this case, He shouldn't be able to get off Scott free, Wrongful death? something!  

Would you listen to yourself? "I don't know what he's guilty of, but I want him convicted of something" Sounds like the crowd gathered to see a hanging in the Middle Ages. The more things change, the more they stay the same... 

"Wrongful death" is not a criminal offense.  It is a term for assigning liability in a civil action, meaning a lawsuit for some monetary compensation.




And I wouldn't consider him being scot-free. Sure, he escaped prison. He has been dragged through the media circus and the courts, he has to live with someone's death on his conscience, he has to deal with threats from some unstable "avengers". It's a life-changing experience.

[rktmanfj]

And I wouldn't consider him being scot-free. Sure, he escaped prison. He has been dragged through the media circus and the courts, he has to live with someone's death on his conscience, he has to deal with threats from some unstable "avengers". It's a life-changing experience.

Amen.   

[crzyjarmans]

This is why I don't think he should have gotten Murder, But I do believe his actions should hold some blame on this case, He shouldn't be able to get off Scott free, Wrongful death? something!  

Would you listen to yourself? "I don't know what he's guilty of, but I want him convicted of something" Sounds like the crowd gathered to see a hanging in the Middle Ages. The more things change, the more they stay the same... 

"Wrongful death" is not a criminal offense.  It is a term for assigning liability in a civil action, meaning a lawsuit for some monetary compensation.




And I wouldn't consider him being scot-free. Sure, he escaped prison. He has been dragged through the media circus and the courts, he has to live with someone's death on his conscience, he has to deal with threats from some unstable "avengers". It's a life-changing experience.

As he cant be tried for the same crime, That why I said "wrongful Death", Lets just agree to disagree, And drop the subject, You can have your opinion, And I can have mine

[JPaganel]

As he cant be tried for the same crime, That why I said "wrongful Death",

So you just want him screwed for life financially. How generous of you.

Lets just agree to disagree, And drop the subject, You can have your opinion, And I can have mine

I have not once said you could not have your opinion. I just asked you a couple of questions about it and pointed out how your opinion is baseless. You didn't answer any of the questions and you keep calling for the guy's head on a platter based on pretty much nothing more than your gut feeling. As for dropping the subject, I can certainly do that. However I would like to point out that if you start a discussion on a controversial subject in a public venue, you should be prepared for people to question your opinions.

[JCainFJ]

 More then my gut tells me that Zimmerman took a gun on a neighborhood watch pertrole, he got out of his vehicle and chased a "suspicious" person, he ignored directions given to him in a call to 911 and he confronted the "suspicious" person. How many stupid decisions does Zimmerman get to make before he is held accountable for his actions?

I am all for gun rights, I have more then a few guns and I have had my CCDW training. Stupid people are playing right into the hands of the people who want to take away our rights and our guns.

  If they give Zimmerman back his gun , is the state of Florida going to give Casey Marie Anthony a baby?