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Doubling up clutch spring and plate..

Started by thunder1295, May 09, 2013, 07:33:11 PM

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ribbert

Yes George, I agree with the idea of preventative maintenance. Mind you, a slipping clutch isn't quite as catastrophic as a wing falling off and would not leave you stranded on the side of the road.

The clutches wear, very slowly, rather than fail and I would expect at your mileage that it looked like new, unless it has suffered some abuse earlier in it's life.

Life long habits are hard to change, in your case this is a good thing (preventative maintenance)

Some of my earliest clutch jobs involved freehand cutting trapezoidal 'cork' inserts from a sheet for the dry clutches in post war bikes which were still in use as regular transport by some in the late 60's. The plates on these had fibre inserts pushed into holes in a metal plate and proud on both sides. Once cut, they would have to be grooved around the edge for a sort of push fit to hold them in place. There were no parts available.
That was a lot of clutches ago and, like you, lifetime habits are hard to break, which in my case is
"Tell a wise man something he doesn't know and he'll thank you, tell a fool something he doesn't know and he'll abuse you"

giantkiller

I was glad I replaced mine. Like I said. I didn't really feel it slipping. I thought it might be, because of no power wheelies. And it turned out it was. And also when I separated the plates.two pieces of two of the friction plates fell out. Probably wouldn't have come out and shattered the basket. But I would think,  they could have.
86 fj1350r
86 fj1380t turbo drag toy (soon)
87 fj1200 865 miles crashed for parts
89 fj1200 touring 2up
87 fzr1000 crashed
87 fzr750r Human Race teams world endurance champion
93 fzr600 Vance n hines ltd for sale
Custom chopper I built
Mini chopper I built for my daughter just like the big 1

ribbert

Quote from: giantkiller on May 13, 2013, 07:07:45 AM
I was glad I replaced mine. Like I said. I didn't really feel it slipping. I thought it might be, because of no power wheelies. And it turned out it was. And also when I separated the plates.two pieces of two of the friction plates fell out. Probably wouldn't have come out and shattered the basket. But I would think,  they could have.

Yours does power wheelies? What gearing do you have?
"Tell a wise man something he doesn't know and he'll thank you, tell a fool something he doesn't know and he'll abuse you"

giantkiller

Yah I love just wacking the throttle open, and having the front jump up in the sky. Just first rolling away from a stop. I get it rolling, back off the throttle a touch and wack it open. Front jumps sky ward. I guess it's not really a power wheelie cause I close the throttle first, but no clutching. (18/42 which is slightly taller than stock. But I have gsxr wheel and 180 tire so could be slightly lower?) It will do pure, power wheelies coming out of a corner if you wack the throttle while your still leaned over.  But that can get you into trouble! Put my yzf750r down once little bit of grit I didn't see.

I guess I'm a bit of a squid. But I only do it for my own enjoyment. When no one is around.
86 fj1350r
86 fj1380t turbo drag toy (soon)
87 fj1200 865 miles crashed for parts
89 fj1200 touring 2up
87 fzr1000 crashed
87 fzr750r Human Race teams world endurance champion
93 fzr600 Vance n hines ltd for sale
Custom chopper I built
Mini chopper I built for my daughter just like the big 1

movenon

Quote from: ribbert on May 13, 2013, 05:43:02 AM
Yes George, I agree with the idea of preventative maintenance. Mind you, a slipping clutch isn't quite as catastrophic as a wing falling off and would not leave you stranded on the side of the road.

The clutches wear, very slowly, rather than fail and I would expect at your mileage that it looked like new, unless it has suffered some abuse earlier in it's life.

Life long habits are hard to change, in your case this is a good thing (preventative maintenance)

Some of my earliest clutch jobs involved freehand cutting trapezoidal 'cork' inserts from a sheet for the dry clutches in post war bikes which were still in use as regular transport by some in the late 60's. The plates on these had fibre inserts pushed into holes in a metal plate and proud on both sides. Once cut, they would have to be grooved around the edge for a sort of push fit to hold them in place. There were no parts available.
That was a lot of clutches ago and, like you, lifetime habits are hard to break, which in my case is

I also want to remove that small wire retaining spring that in my case "might" still be in there. Randy indicates that they on occasion break into pieces and get ingested into the engine that can also from photo's do damage to clutch disks. http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=1808.0.

I have to same problem when I buy a used car. I usually go though it and "zero" time out tires, battery, brakes, hoses, all fluids, sometimes front end and electrical parts. No free lunch, if its a good deal then it most likely needs some attention. Everything has a life cycle or life expectancy. It just depends on where you want to be on that time line. Here in colder weather if your battery is over 3 years old and you need you auto for work then put a new battery in. Yea, it might hang in there for 6 years but it is a matter of where and when it fails. In your part of the world if you travel in the out back then there is certain things you should be proactive about.

It is human nature to view the world and things as we want it to be, not as it is.  :morning2: :pardon:
George
Life isn't about having the best, but about making the best of what you have...

1990 FJ 1200

Mark Olson

rigorous testing by muppet labs has determined that removing the small clutch fiber and anti-rattle spring and replacing them with a full size fiber with a new fjr spring will be sufficient and no second spring is necessary.
therefore the clutch pull remains as stock with no need for left hand abuse or different clutch master to compensate for the added tension.  :mail1:   
Mark O.
86 fj1200
sac ca.

                           " Get off your ass and Ride"

movenon

Quote from: Mark Olson on May 13, 2013, 10:00:47 AM
rigorous testing by muppet labs has determined that removing the small clutch fiber and anti-rattle spring and replacing them with a full size fiber with a new fjr spring will be sufficient and no second spring is necessary.
therefore the clutch pull remains as stock with no need for left hand abuse or different clutch master to compensate for the added tension.  :mail1:   

That's where I am at.  :good2: Waiting for the 3 parts to arrive.....
George
Life isn't about having the best, but about making the best of what you have...

1990 FJ 1200