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'92 140,000Km rebuild.

Started by tmkaos, November 12, 2012, 02:25:04 PM

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ribbert

Quote from: tmkaos on November 18, 2012, 11:09:16 PM

Removed the dog-bones and lower suspension shock joint assembly. There appears to be some sort of attachment or adjustment through on the far left that goes through to the bottom of motor - it's so crusty under there it's hard to say..You can see it just beside the chain.  Anybody confirm or deny that?
Those frozen capscrews aren't shifting after some more beating and CRC so it's on to plan B, Ezy-out.



That nut and bolt you mention has a rubber head on the othe side and the bottom of the crankcase rests against it.

I don't like ezy-outs. I reckon on average I've seen more snapped off in the screw than I have succeed, particularly of you using it because the bolts too tight to loosen with its own head.

At this point the difficulty factor just multiplied by a factor of about a hundred.

If you insist on using them, use the square or fluted ones, not the tapered spiral ones and use the biggest one you possibly can.

If you reckon this is a pain in the arse, try snapping one off in the hole!

Noel
"Tell a wise man something he doesn't know and he'll thank you, tell a fool something he doesn't know and he'll abuse you"

flips

Quote from: oldktmdude on November 18, 2012, 04:17:18 PM
  Another good way of heating is by welding a nut or short bolt to the head of the bolt your'e trying to loosen. Using a small gauge welding electrode makes the job a lot easier. I would also use a stainless steel electrode, as this gives a stronger weld for its size compared to mild steel.    Pete.
+1 on welding.Heats up the stuck bolt/screw and gives you something decent to wrench it with.I use a small mig welder.Works every time for me  :yes:.


Cheers  :drinks:

Jeff P
Stay rubber side down.

tmkaos

Quote from: ribbert on November 19, 2012, 03:07:30 AM

That nut and bolt you mention has a rubber head on the othe side and the bottom of the crankcase rests against it.

I don't like ezy-outs. I reckon on average I've seen more snapped off in the screw than I have succeed, particularly of you using it because the bolts too tight to loosen with its own head.

At this point the difficulty factor just multiplied by a factor of about a hundred.

If you reckon this is a pain in the arse, try snapping one off in the hole!

Noel

Hi Noel, thanks for clarifying that. It's just an adjuster, then? I have access to carbide tooling, so machining out broken taps and hardened steel parts is pretty much an everyday event. Getting the frame into my machine might be the tricky bit but everything is achievable with patience and thought.  :good2:

Quote from: FJSpringy on November 19, 2012, 02:31:04 AM
Quote from: tmkaos on November 18, 2012, 11:09:16 PM
Sorry if this is boring you all stupid but it's as much to keep me going than anything else..  :good2:

mate we have all been through this and to be honest I look forward to seeing what your doing, keep up the pictures and the words.   :yahoo:

Cheers buddy, i'll try to keep it going.  :good2:

James

'92 FJ1200 - '07 to present
'83 VF750S Sabre - '04 - '07
'87 VT250FG - '94 - '98

ribbert

Quote from: tmkaos on November 18, 2012, 11:09:16 PM
Sorry if this is boring you all stupid but it's as much to keep me going than anything else..  :good2:


It's easy to forget amongst all the banter, ribbing, humour, socialising, bragging, lying and general bonhomie amongst the members, that this is the primary purpose of the forum, to help each other.

Unless your name is "Irish down on your luck" and you want to argue with every single bit of advice offered, it will keep coming.  We were all new to FJ's at some point.  Post away!

Noel
"Tell a wise man something he doesn't know and he'll thank you, tell a fool something he doesn't know and he'll abuse you"

ribbert

Quote from: FJSpringy on November 18, 2012, 09:12:41 PM
Noel,

NSW propane kicks Victroian propane's ass any day of the week  :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:

but when its all you got its all you got :) and so far it's worked for me :good2:


Regards,
Dave

Soooo, NSW / VIC rivalry has come to this has it?

"My flame's bigger than yours!"

Noel
"Tell a wise man something he doesn't know and he'll thank you, tell a fool something he doesn't know and he'll abuse you"

FJSpringy

Quote from: ribbert on November 19, 2012, 03:33:08 AM

Soooo, NSW / VIC rivalry has come to this has it?

"My flame's bigger than yours!"

Noel


:lol: who me
I have kleptomania,
but when it gets bad,
I take something for it.

********************

92 FJ1200

tmkaos

Quote from: tmkaos on November 17, 2012, 10:00:08 PM
If all else fails it's back to the Australian Spanner - otherwise known as an angle grinder.

To be honest guys, I really thought I'd get a least a token rise out of at least one of you Aussies...  :blum1: (popcorn) 
But nothing..  Guess it got buried in all the My-gas-is-better-than-yours drivel. Everybody knows that NZ has the best flavour LPG/Propane/Butane in the world.  (popcorn)

James
'92 FJ1200 - '07 to present
'83 VF750S Sabre - '04 - '07
'87 VT250FG - '94 - '98

FJmonkey

Quote from: tmkaos on November 19, 2012, 11:43:02 AM
To be honest guys, I really thought I'd get a least a token rise out of at least one of you Aussies...  :blum1: (popcorn) 
But nothing..  Guess it got buried in all the My-gas-is-better-than-yours drivel. Everybody knows that NZ has the best flavour LPG/Propane/Butane in the world.  (popcorn)

James
Must be quality stuff from all the sheep.  :crazy:
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

'86 Ambulance - Bent frame, cracked case, due for an overhaul
'89 Stormy Blue - Suits my Dark Side

FJSpringy

Quote from: tmkaos on November 19, 2012, 11:43:02 AM
Quote from: tmkaos on November 17, 2012, 10:00:08 PM
If all else fails it's back to the Australian Spanner - otherwise known as an angle grinder.

To be honest guys, I really thought I'd get a least a token rise out of at least one of you Aussies...  :blum1: (popcorn) 
But nothing..  Guess it got buried in all the My-gas-is-better-than-yours drivel. Everybody knows that NZ has the best flavour LPG/Propane/Butane in the world.  (popcorn)

James

James,

I suspect with out prejudice that everybody (but not me of course  :rofl2:) has used said spanner at some time on some obstinate part, thats why the silence  :yes:


I keep mine next to my favorite 4lb hammer, 20 inch shifter and my beloved no3 Phillips head screwdriver  :sarcastic:
I have kleptomania,
but when it gets bad,
I take something for it.

********************

92 FJ1200

tmkaos

Again this morning my boss will be so happy with me, as my machine is running I'm skivving off and working on FJ parts..

Cleaned up the oil cooler lines with some Scotch-Pad. Shiny, who knew?  :good2:


Pulled out all the roller bearings out of this bit, de-gunked them and re-greased and assembled. Resisted the temptation to polish this bit too.


Now a quick dog-bone question. What's the standard length for a '92? I've heard you should raise the rear end until the rear tyre is just off the ground on the centre stand. well mine only just clears, there's about 15mm under it, and my dog-bones are 125mm centre to centre.  i should clarify, it's running stock shock,and standard rim.
'92 FJ1200 - '07 to present
'83 VF750S Sabre - '04 - '07
'87 VT250FG - '94 - '98

The General

Yep, that`s standard length. (I won`t tell ya what I just measured it with  - Ya sheep might start swimm`n across the ditch)   
Ummmm...Vernier Calipers and a big shifter.   If my stillson`s dont get it, I just use an Aussie spanner!
Be careful with that Scotchbrite - doesn`t work on everything......and it can cause an itch.
`93 with downside up forks.
`78 XS11/1200 with a bit on the side.
Special edition Rocket Ship ZX14R Kwacka

tmkaos

Cheers Doug.  :good2:
I won't bother making any new ones then.  :good: Swing arm is all cleaned up and ready to go back home and join the FJ in the garage.

Yeah that's a 24" adjustable spanner.. I'm mounting these sawmill cutters on a 50mm mandrel, the spanner is for the nut on the end of the mandrel, it's a 50 x 1mm thread, they need to be tight so they don't slip while I machine them.
'92 FJ1200 - '07 to present
'83 VF750S Sabre - '04 - '07
'87 VT250FG - '94 - '98

The General

Just another thought mate. I think me thoery is right (but questionable.  (popcorn) ). I found slight wear on the chain side (naturally) in the swing arm, but only inside the long bush that`s the width of the swingarm point. Us`n me noggin I reckoned if I reversed it, might take up at least half of that ever so slight free play. Seemed to work unbeleivably. - can`t feel any play at all - but admittedly more grease now. (if I didn`t feel it for meself I wouldn`ve beleived it! - we do that a lot)
Will replace bearings & Bush next time when I`m finished with some existing (Ohlims) shock spring experimenting and will then get the swing arm ceramicked or chromed, cause it makes it easier to clean.
Interestingly there was no wear on the swingarm Bolt. Theoreticall Ya shouldn`t get any wear on the inside diameter of that Bush (me thinks) - so will be checking other tolerances. Apart from telling me I should replace all bearings etc while I`m there, I`d be interested ta hear other`s thoughts.
`93 with downside up forks.
`78 XS11/1200 with a bit on the side.
Special edition Rocket Ship ZX14R Kwacka

tmkaos

Quote from: The General on November 19, 2012, 04:29:09 PM
I found slight wear on the chain side (naturally) in the swing arm, but only inside the long bush that`s the width of the swingarm point. Us`n me noggin I reckoned if I reversed it, might take up at least half of that ever so slight free play.

Interestingly there was no wear on the swingarm Bolt. Theoreticall Ya shouldn`t get any wear on the inside diameter of that Bush (me thinks) - so will be checking other tolerances. Apart from telling me I should replace all bearings etc while I`m there, I`d be interested ta hear other`s thoughts.

I found pretty much the same. The bearings felt fine, before I took it all off the bike I gave it all a damn good wiggle to see if I could detect any play in the swingarm, and there's none. So I've just cleaned them, made sure they all rotated freely, packed them with fresh grease and reversed the inner tube just like you did. Because the bearings aren't in a high speed rotating application, in my humble opinion I didn't feel the need to replace them unless I could detect damage or wear on them.
'92 FJ1200 - '07 to present
'83 VF750S Sabre - '04 - '07
'87 VT250FG - '94 - '98

FeralJuggernaut

Stop with the polishing bits!!   It is bad enough that I have an '84 and only live a few hundred miles away from Paddy...       :good:   I've heard that if you polish too much you can't get a good photo out in the sunlight.   muwhahahahaha
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