Squid's new toy :)

[movenon]

"Gawd", and you neutered him to ! 
George

[The General]

Me thinks the term is 'yanking your chain'....   

Yes, I realized that but it required a reply.  Had you put an emoticon in there it would have helped.
I frequently am amazed at the mis-readings of posts (not only my own) attract. 
Doug has difficulty :-) distinguishing between a K and a T in lower case.  Maybe he needs some new glasses for when he uses a computer.  As we age, close focus becomes more difficult. :-(
And, to try again to end this off-topic topic.... I rewarded the group of 3 kids who came to tell me where the dog was confined.  I don't consider exploration as lack of obedience.  Belker had been neutered. knew his way home, and how to cross streets.

Arnie

Aha!...There it is...Evidence of a weapon!
Smoke and mirrors doesn`t work on an Aussie Sherlock Holmes! Circumstantial precedence shows beyond the shadow of doubt, that for Arnie to give a monetary award split into three, a hacksaw would be required!

In the well documented Australian court case of Linde chamberlain Vs another Canine plaintiff, It was the name of the Victim that was accepted as circumstantial evidence of criminality. I purposely changed the name from belted, sorry, Belker because of the very meaning of the name as substantiated here: http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CF0QFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dandwiki.com%2Fwiki%2FSRD%3ABelker&ei=IK1wUcDcOO-SiQe_4YCAAw&usg=AFQjCNFxFhQ3VtG2iA6LXMpFjmg019rmTQ
Quote: "Belkers are creatures from the Plane of Air. They are composed primarily of smoke. Although undeniably evil, they are very reclusive and usually have no interest in the affairs of others. A belker's winged shape makes it look distinctly demonic."

Yes Belker might have been evil and the added expense may have been your final straw, but no creature is deserved of the hacksaw! and and And, their passing should be treated with respect! (- unless you`re a pommie!)
Yes I know I should add more emoticoms, but I know Klavdy hates'm... and when ya stuck in the jungle up to ya ceramic lip in shit, this is tha only entertainment he has! 

[FJSpringy]

Belker had been neutered. knew his way home, and how to cross streets.
Arnie

very hard to cross the road with your nuts in a paper bag 

[squidley63]

Got the parts from randy yesterday and cleaned up the carbs this morning. Reinstalled and much better idle and revs pretty good. Now to work through getting the carbs synched I have turned the adjustments so many times I've got things pretty screwed up and am reading low vacuum across the board. Going to reinstall the pod filters and see how things go in just a few.

[JMR]

Got the parts from randy yesterday and cleaned up the carbs this morning. Reinstalled and much better idle and revs pretty good. Now to work through getting the carbs synched I have turned the adjustments so many times I've got things pretty screwed up and am reading low vacuum across the board. Going to reinstall the pod filters and see how things go in just a few.

You better make sure those carb boots/insulators etc are in good shape. Vacuum leaks will kill you.

[baldy3853]

Yanking chains Pat I'm surprised 

Doug belt up!!! #hit stirrer

Arnie good for you the passing of an old friend is always upsetting and having it thrown at you is unpleasant as well, laugh it off all's good 
Baldy

[squidley63]

Finished valve check on bike. Have 2 tight intake valves(.004 and .005). Will be placing another randy order for shims I guess. I'm still not liking the way it hangs rpm on the way down and the odd idle it seems to have. Carbs have been commercially Sonic cleaned so I am sure that everything is good as far as that goes.  I have a hole in the collector on my exhaust that doesn't help with the sounds.

The slow drop to idle indicates rich condition. It also may account for the odd idle but the idle mix screws are at 1 1/2 turns right now. I'm guessing the next logical thing would be to try dropping the needles to see if that would help. I dunno.

[Pat Conlon]

Needles won't do what you need to do...http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=6255.0

[racerman_27410]

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The slow drop to idle indicates rich condition. It also may account for the odd idle but the idle mix screws are at 1 1/2 turns right now.
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not necessarily..... rich would be dropping and almost stallng then recovering.... hanging then slowly dropping is lean

i think you should open the idle mix screws and give the throttle blip test another try.

KOokaloo!

[movenon]

Finished valve check on bike. Have 2 tight intake valves(.004 and .005). Will be placing another randy order for shims I guess. I'm still not liking the way it hangs rpm on the way down and the odd idle it seems to have. Carbs have been commercially Sonic cleaned so I am sure that everything is good as far as that goes.  I have a hole in the collector on my exhaust that doesn't help with the sounds.

The slow drop to idle indicates rich condition. It also may account for the odd idle but the idle mix screws are at 1 1/2 turns right now. I'm guessing the next logical thing would be to try dropping the needles to see if that would help. I dunno.

I don't know if I would worry about .004 / .005 being to tight on the intakes. The next shim smaller would be .002 thinner ? Then you would be at .006/.007 on an intake. Can't win... I have the same situation, I run my valves to the loose end of spec's (but within factory limits). If I go one size larger then I am at the tight end......

At any rate if your engine is well broke in and most are...., IMO I wouldn't be concerned with .004/.005. on an intake. Randy will have to way in on that subject, it's just my opinion. What's .001 between friends  .

The needles will have nil to very little / no effect on the idle. Dropping the needles will effect mid throttle performance. I would back those fuel/air screws out to 2 1/2 turns and see what happens. When you say "odd" idle I am not sure if you are talking about the sound ,rpm unstable, rough running , popping ?
I have had better luck tinkering with the fuel/air screws by lowing my idle down to 500 RPM, then adjust. After that set the idle back up to 1050 /1100 RPM.

My FJ has an odd problem also. Everytime I walk by it with a dollar bill it sucks it right out of my pocket.....

George

[andyb]

+1

Needles won't alter idle fueling unless the slides are hanging up significantly, in which case you have other problems (and would be rich as hell!).

[squidley63]

I know this is one of those situations where I can't see the forest for the trees.

It idles with a lope like you would expect from a twin. From looking at the plugs I would definitely say its rich from the heavy dry soot after about 100 miles of leisurely riding. All four plugs are identically sooted.  There is also a bad pause when opening the throttle from idle.I thought all this would have cleared up with the clean carbs. 

I have synched the carbs and the valves don't seem to be excessively tight. I do seem to have to have an excessive amount of idle speed adjusting screw dialed in to get it in the 1100 rpm range. I've checked the fuel level in the carbs and they are all in spec below the bowl gasket surface. The emulsion tubes are in good shape as far as tight to the needles.

The forest is out there somewhere if these trees would get out of the way.

[squidley63]

Found one of those pesky trees that are between me and the forest of a smooth running fj.

I managed to strip the threads on one of my carb boot clamps. So it wasn't as tight as it needed to be. Vacuum picked up nicely after replacement of offending screw. Now to undo the tinkering I've done trying to understand what was going on with the bike.

[movenon]

I feel your frustration. From what you say it sounds like a fuel problem.

Only one place to get fuel from..... I can imagine it is a P.I.A. but I would pull the carbs (again  ) and pull every bit apart and reinstall. Perhaps a jet is not seated or cross threaded ? Do all the fuel / air screws have the spring, washer, "O" ring installed properly, Is there an "extra" o ring stuck down in the hole ? recheck the float heights, are the fuel inlet needle and seats the correct ones (there are 2 versions), check very closely the choke pistons and seals.

I am sorry the ideas are not in any order and its just "things" to think about. Before you pull it apart look very closely at the choke action at each carb.. Is there another FJ member close by. Sometimes a second set of eyes will pick something up.

Hope I didn't add tree's to the forest. Have faith, Its just a machine and you can get it sorted out. In the end you will hopefully find out it was something pretty simple.
I have worked on computer problems sometimes for days and almost every time it ended up being a simple problem on my part  .

Keep up the good work and keep feeding the peanut gallery we are hungry..................
George

[movenon]

Found one of those pesky trees that are between me and the forest of a smooth running fj.

I managed to strip the threads on one of my carb boot clamps. So it wasn't as tight as it needed to be. Vacuum picked up nicely after replacement of offending screw. Now to undo the tinkering I've done trying to understand what was going on with the bike.

Sweet ! 
George