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Oil Level with Screw-on Filter Adapter

Started by BenInJersey, July 06, 2012, 04:33:46 PM

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BenInJersey

Having installed this adapter:



which, by the way, is an incredibly well made aftermarket part that turned a pain in the ass into a five minute job.

My question is it appears that the extra oil contained in the new larger filter I am using seems to have driven the oil level just a bit beyond maximum in the sight glass. This, of course, concerned me a bit so I feel now I may be running about eight ounces or so under what could be considered 'full' capacity.

Any ideas on this, or am I just being overly cautious. When filled up to what used to be considered the normal level with the old filter set up, the level sits right around the lower 1/4 of the site glass.

Thanks for your ideas on this rookie issue!
There are old motorcyclists and there are bold motorcyclists, but there are no old, bold motorcyclists.

FJmonkey

Just make sure the oil level is where it needs to be. I have the spin-on as well, Just check for proper oil level and your engine will stay lubricated.
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

'86 Ambulance - Bent frame, cracked case, due for an overhaul
'89 Stormy Blue - Suits my Dark Side

1tinindian

I also have the spin-on adapter and use a full 4 quarts at oil change time.
It's just a little over the top line on the sight glass.

Leon
"I want to be free to ride my machine without being hassled by the "man"!
91 FJ1200

BenInJersey

Quote from: 1tinindian on July 06, 2012, 10:33:18 PM
I also have the spin-on adapter and use a full 4 quarts at oil change time.
It's just a little over the top line on the sight glass.

Leon

Exactly what I meant. My post was a bit convoluted. I assume, with the excess oil circulating through the larger filter, once it settles it appears a bit over filled through the site glass. Four quarts was what I filled it with initially, and I was concerned because it did fill the entire sight glass. I'll go with that volume, glass be damned.

Thanks for the reply!

There are old motorcyclists and there are bold motorcyclists, but there are no old, bold motorcyclists.

FJmonkey

Quote from: BenInJersey on July 07, 2012, 12:45:15 AM
Exactly what I meant. My post was a bit convoluted. I assume, with the excess oil circulating through the larger filter, once it settles it appears a bit over filled through the site glass. Four quarts was what I filled it with initially, and I was concerned because it did fill the entire sight glass. I'll go with that volume, glass be damned.

Thanks for the reply!
Or you could get a filter with the anti-drain back feature that keeps the oil in the filter. The fill level does not change and the engine is not waiting to get oil while the filter is filling up.
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

'86 Ambulance - Bent frame, cracked case, due for an overhaul
'89 Stormy Blue - Suits my Dark Side

BenInJersey


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Or you could get a filter with the anti-drain back feature that keeps the oil in the filter. The fill level does not change and the engine is not waiting to get oil while the filter is filling up.
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That would take a load off my mind, actually. Is that feature listed on the packaging; I've never noticed it. Any particular models come to mind?
There are old motorcyclists and there are bold motorcyclists, but there are no old, bold motorcyclists.

FJmonkey

Quote from: BenInJersey on July 07, 2012, 05:43:29 PM
That would take a load off my mind, actually. Is that feature listed on the packaging; I've never noticed it. Any particular models come to mind?

WIX (too long if you don't have engine guards) and Amsiol (what I use now, has really good filtering properties) have this, others may have it as well, anyone else know of compatible filters with the anti-drain back feature for the spin-on mod?
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

'86 Ambulance - Bent frame, cracked case, due for an overhaul
'89 Stormy Blue - Suits my Dark Side

racerrad8

Quote from: FJmonkey on July 07, 2012, 05:55:57 PM
WIX (too long if you don't have engine guards)

If you use Wix filter, 51334 the same filter I use and recommended on the installation instructions it has the drain back valve.

And for everyones information, it is the same length as the O.E. canister and is not too long. It does not have any ground clearance issues if the bike is dropped. It does not matter if it has engine guards or not.

The longer filter was replaced long ago, but is still the recommended filter for the race car application since it is longer.

Randy - RPM
Randy - RPM

1tinindian

I use the WIX 51357 for the ease of getting my hand wrapped around it.
Same as the NAPA Gold 1357. Both are black.

Leon
"I want to be free to ride my machine without being hassled by the "man"!
91 FJ1200

andyb

The Baldwin B1400 has an antidrainback valve, and is an excellent quality filter.

Long versions are available as needed, B1402 and B1431.

It's bright reddish-orange though.


1tinindian

Quote from: 1tinindian on July 07, 2012, 10:54:41 PM
I use the WIX 51357 for the ease of getting my hand wrapped around it.
Same as the NAPA Gold 1357. Both are black.

Leon

Tech info on my filter I use.

http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/PartDetail.asp?Part=51357
"I want to be free to ride my machine without being hassled by the "man"!
91 FJ1200

FJmonkey

Quote from: racerrad8 on July 07, 2012, 09:52:08 PM
If you use Wix filter, 51334 the same filter I use and recommended on the installation instructions it has the drain back valve.

And for everyones information, it is the same length as the O.E. canister and is not too long. It does not have any ground clearance issues if the bike is dropped. It does not matter if it has engine guards or not.

The longer filter was replaced long ago, but is still the recommended filter for the race car application since it is longer.

Randy - RPM
I stand corrected, thanks Randy. The first WIX I used looked like it would be the first point of contact during a low side. That of course would leave anyone stranded next to a major oil leak. Now it looks like there are many options regardless of engine guards.
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

'86 Ambulance - Bent frame, cracked case, due for an overhaul
'89 Stormy Blue - Suits my Dark Side

BenInJersey

Thanks for all the input. Some brands there I had never even heard of.  :good:
There are old motorcyclists and there are bold motorcyclists, but there are no old, bold motorcyclists.

jvb_ca

I just did my first oil change for this year and found the Mobile 1 M1-104 oil filter at the local Part Source has the anti-drain valve and is a nice shiny black, so on it went. I have used the NAPA Gold 1357 as well. My first choice is the Amzoil EAO20 (I think that's the no.), but it can be harder to find. Actually cant seem to find this filter listed on Amzoil's site any longer. Has it been replaced with the EA15K20? Ed do you have any insight on this?

Cheers...Jake
Cheers...Jake
86FJ1200
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simi_ed

EA15K20 is the new #.  Amsoil discovered that some applications were having trouble going 25,000 mi w/o a filter change, so they reduced the rating to 15k, hence the 15k prefix they now have on A LOT of their filters. 

Still the same superior filter though.  Mobil1 filter is a good substitute though.
-- RKBA Regards,

Ed
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Simi Valley, CA -- I no longer have SoCal manners.
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