Cam timing for FJ1200

[Yamman]

What's the best settings for cam timing the FJ1200 for use in legends road racing?

[Pat Conlon]

What's the best settings for cam timing the FJ1200 for use in legends road racing?

The stock cam settings. What makes you think you can alter the cam settings?

Makes me think you don't know what you are talking about.....

[fj11.5]

hope he means the cam timing gears 

[andyb]

Why couldn't you alter the cam timing?

The right answer is that it depends on the track and chassis setup, I'd think.  Some tracks will reward midrange to drive off corners and some will find you pushing the revs longer, so the demands are different.  Stock timing is a good compromise on a streetbike though, and probably a good starting point for a racecar.  Getting back to factory timing from where it may be currently is a simple matter of slotting the gears.  I suppose if modified internal engine bits "aren't allowed" by the rules, you'd have to cheat and go through a few sets until you found some that the factory tolerances lined up just so.  Could think of it as a superstock engine in a car frame rather than a bike.

[Pat Conlon]

Why couldn't you alter the cam timing?

Of course you could, but then you would be disqualified......
Slotted cam gears are not allowed on sealed motors...

Yamman, this is the second question you have posted, seeking advice on how to cheat in Legends racing.

Go away.

[simi_ed]

C'mon Paddy, let the cheater alone.  Maybe he's a really poor driver, and needs all the help he can get.  After all, they're not gonna 'tech' a 12th place finish.  If he starts winning, passing everyone down the back-straight, he's GONNA get pulled in & Randy's going to use the fine tooth comb on him.  
So, how can we help this poor guy out?

[weymouth399]

Pat you don't know what your talking about. 
He is asking about a FJ 1200 motor (which you can play with) as long as you stay under 165 psi hot.
You can't touch a 1250 sealed.
He says he's from away and their tech may be as bad as most places.

You guys are awefull quick to judge what you don't know.

Bob W

[Pat Conlon]

Pat you don't know what your talking about....

Ok, gotcha. You got an answer for him.....? Then he can 'pm you his Legends questions

[andyb]

If he's trying to beat cheaters, then obviously the tech isn't real stringent, eh?  Easy answer is cheat right along with them, that's racing.   

[tmkaos]

Easy answer is cheat right along with them, that's racing.   

Sorry, but no.

Cheating is NOT racing. Cheating makes life hell for all of us who try to run a honest campaign, by the rule book.
In my book, racing is about "May the best man win"
Im seeing red here, I spent 5 years fighting against this exact mindset of "can't win unless I cheat" and it does my head in. I have to be able to look at myself in the mirror eye to eye every morning. Can't do it the trophy sitting on the mantlepeice was got by going outside the rules. That's not racing to me.

My mother taught me if you can't say anything nice, say nothing. So that's it from me here, I've made my position plain.

[weymouth399]

What's the best settings for cam timing the FJ1200 for use in legends road racing?

OK, Where does it say that He wanted to cheat? REALY I WANT TO KNOW.  

Bob W

[andyb]

Cheating is NOT racing. Cheating makes life hell for all of us who try to run a honest campaign, by the rule book.
In my book, racing is about "May the best man win"
Im seeing red here, I spent 5 years fighting against this exact mindset of "can't win unless I cheat" and it does my head in. I have to be able to look at myself in the mirror eye to eye every morning. Can't do it the trophy sitting on the mantlepeice was got by going outside the rules. That's not racing to me.

My mother taught me if you can't say anything nice, say nothing. So that's it from me here, I've made my position plain.

I'd argue that if tech isn't being enforced, then there is the rulebook and there's the standard of what people are doing.  If the speed limit is a rule, but I'm absolutely sure that there aren't cops on this stretch of road... yeah.  I'm speeding, and so is everyone around me.

Now, if you're doing something outside the rulebook and tech catches you, depends on the series you're in.  In the class I run in, that'd be a DQ for that entire year.  So I play by the book, and am not above suggesting certain checks get done when I see people doing things that I know are questionable.

Usually you can ask the tech inspectors to do a minimal check on someone for the price of asking.  If you want a full teardown, expect to pay a big chunk for it and send that person home with their motor in bits.  It's part of racing, using the rulebook to your advantage, but also using the circumstances.

Far as it goes though, I haven't seen any requests for "how do I cheat", just "how do I beat the guys cheating".  We could go into using blown-down fuel, additives, or whatever, but in part you have to totally know what the rules state for the class.  Blown fuel is useful if the rules say that nothing can be added, but don't mention that it has to be tested for specific gravity or such, and would be legal.  Running valve clearances outside of spec would be another example that may or may not be legal depending on how things are written.  Using stock-sized replacement ceramic bearings in the motor may be legal.  Going through a huge pile of OEM parts and just cherrypicking to get the motor spec you want is the most common way to make a "legal" engine, though it's more than a minor amount of work.  Using exotic materials to ligten the chassis and then ballasting to hit the spec targets is another.

A common dragracing rule is a maxmimum wheelbase measurement.  In a 60" class from a few years ago, the common way of staying legal and yet moving tons of weight forwards was to derake the steering head and then put a longer swingarm on.  Totally legal!  So there's going by what the rulebook says, going by what the rulebook doesn't say, and going by what you're actually being inspected on.  Just depends where you want to go.