Glad to see the site back online!

[craigo]

And we perfer not to have our values insulted by you. Think you can live in those parameters?
I just have to ask, why is it that "progressive" find it so easy to throw insults at the tea party? Do you really even know what the tea party is about?

If not, let me fill you in. It's about living with in your means and not having to take from those that work hard and give it to those that don't.

BTW, happy to see one of your "Gods" got fired from Current TV. I guess even Al Gore couldn't put up with that train wreck.

CraigO

[Dan Filetti]

Liberals are like Slinky's - not good for anything but will bring a smile to your face when pushed down a flight of stairs.

CraigO

That is VERY funny CraigO.

Thanks for the laugh.

Dan

[andyoutandabout]

I like living in America - it feels good (James Brown)

[terryk]

And we perfer not to have our values insulted by you. Think you can live in those parameters?
I just have to ask, why is it that "progressive" find it so easy to throw insults at the tea party? Do you really even know what the tea party is about?

If not, let me fill you in. It's about living with in your means and not having to take from those that work hard and give it to those that don't.

BTW, happy to see one of your "Gods" got fired from Current TV. I guess even Al Gore couldn't put up with that train wreck.

CraigO

Craigo - the tea party is where you belong bud. Nuff said. 10% or less of the population and going to cost the republicans the senate, the president office and the house potentially as well. Your own party thinks the tea party is a joke, a cancer on the party. Good on ya bud. I love the tea party, I really do.

[Arnie]

I too am a proud American.  That doesn't mean that I don't see some of the warts the US has.
What Randy seems to not realize is that the US by its [ power, money, influence ] is able to "persuade" many other countries to not only comply, but to mimic many of its policies.  While each country has its own name for their version of the US TSA, they are all pretty much alike, with very similar attitudes and substance limits etc.  Anyone who travels, and not only to/in the US, is subjected to the antics of these puffed up dropkicks.  Those travellers' right to criticize is just as real as his.
My attitude is that any policy that affects me is one I am entitled to critique.  I may or may not be able to influence or modify that policy, but my right to comment (including ridicule) should not be curtailed. 
Nor should Klavdy's even if he doesn't have a US passport.

Arnie

[Harvy]

Guys, this probably doesn't belong under this topic, but I'm seeing a heap of politics here so its going here anyway.
I'm not a US citizen but an interested citizen of the world with Australian nationality...... found this the other day and while it is specifically US aimed, it could just as easily be applied to our Australian political situation at present:

SCARY OBITUARY


In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh ,
had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
form of government.
A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can
vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.
From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the
most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has
been about 200 years..
During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty; 
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."
The Obituary follows:

Born 1776, Died 2012   
It doesn't hurt to read this several times.
 
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in  St. Paul , Minnesota ,
points out some interesting facts concerning the last Presidential election:

Number of States won by:     Obama: 19     McCain: 29
Square miles of land won by:    Obama: 580,000     McCain: 2,427,000 
Population of counties won by:    Obama: 127 million  McCain: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1 

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was
mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income
tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

Olson believes the  United States is now somewhere between the
"complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy,
with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached
the "governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
invaders called illegal's - and they vote - then we can say goodbye to the
USA in fewer than five years. 

If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message.

If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at
stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom..

This is truly scary!
Of course we are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic .
Someone should point this out to Obama.
Of course we know he and too many others pay little attention to The Constitution.
There couldn't be more at stake than on Nov 2012.

[terryk]

Guys, this probably doesn't belong under this topic, but I'm seeing a heap of politics here so its going here anyway.
I'm not a US citizen but an interested citizen of the world with Australian nationality...... found this the other day and while it is specifically US aimed, it could just as easily be applied to our Australian political situation at present:

SCARY OBITUARY


In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh ,
had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
form of government.
A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can
vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.
From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the
most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has
been about 200 years..
During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty; 
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."
The Obituary follows:

Born 1776, Died 2012   
It doesn't hurt to read this several times.
 
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in  St. Paul , Minnesota ,
points out some interesting facts concerning the last Presidential election:

Number of States won by:     Obama: 19     McCain: 29
Square miles of land won by:    Obama: 580,000     McCain: 2,427,000 
Population of counties won by:    Obama: 127 million  McCain: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1 

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was
mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income
tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

Olson believes the  United States is now somewhere between the
"complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy,
with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached
the "governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
invaders called illegal's - and they vote - then we can say goodbye to the
USA in fewer than five years. 

If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message.

If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at
stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom..

This is truly scary!
Of course we are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic .
Someone should point this out to Obama.
Of course we know he and too many others pay little attention to The Constitution.
There couldn't be more at stake than on Nov 2012.

Ooops - punked.

First, Joseph Olson is a professor at Hamline  University School of Law in St. Paul, Minn. None of what appears in this e-mail was written by him. He has been denying authorship of this old hoax since earlier versions first cropped up after the 2000 election. Most recently he posted a disclaimer about the 2008 version on his university profile page:

Olson: There is an e-mail floating around the internet dealing with the 2008 Obama/McCain election and the 2000 Bush/Gore election, remarks of a Scottish philosopher named Alexander Tyler, etc. Part of it is attributed to me. It is entirely BOGUS as to my authorship. I've been trying to kill it since December 2000. For details see: <http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp.

More important, the "unreported stats" listed in this e-mail are all wrong:

President-elect Barack Obama actually carried 28 states (and the District of Columbia), not 20 as claimed in the message. Sen. John McCain carried only 22 states, not 30.

The total area of states won by Obama is actually 1,483,702 square miles, significantly more than the 580,000 stated by the e-mail. McCain's states have an area of 2,310,315 square miles, not the 2,427,000 claimed.

The population of counties carried by Obama is just under 183 million, not the 127 million claimed. McCain carried counties with a total population of just under 119 million, far fewer than claimed in this message.

[Harvy]

Fair enough.......

As some smart person said about such things as statistics......there are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics.....


Harvy

[Dan Filetti]

Fair enough.......

As some smart person said about such things as statistics......there are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics.....


Harvy

Yeah, snopes.com had this as incorrectly attributed and wrong. It seemed incorrect when I read it, although it would have been fun if it were true.

BTW, that quote, "...lies damn lies and statistics" was popularized by Mark Twain -I think I read somewhere that he got it from Ben Disraeli -I could look but I'm too lazy


I do think the sentiment

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can
vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.
From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the
most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

is at play here.  

"I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car, I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage -Obama is going to help me"

Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!!

Has turned into this:

"Is is too late to vote for the white guy?"

What Have We Done? - Black Woman Doesn't Like Obama No-More

[CanDman]

Wow, I just about had a fit not being able to log in to my favorite motorcycle site.
Thank God it's back!

Leon

I am glad it's back up and running too............although I thought this was a site about riding Fj's ....not each other! We all know what a Crusty Bear Klavdiya is when he has nothing to Crankabout in "Walkabout"..........and he is coming a long way to ride you guys............so give the dog his bone !!! if he hated the states so much......he wouldn't come such a long way to see you guys and ride with you .....it's just a shame he won't be bringing that fine Portugean ass
of his to the North east rally.....some of us wanted to see which hole the poop really comes out of.......but I'm sure most all ready know.............that being said.......while you guys are billybong n it around the campfire......try to steer clear of any and all political iceburgs.....remember the "Titanic"....I would hate to lose this site for good!!!! Besides Im quite sure Pat has better things to do than to throw on a Zebra shirt and spend his time handing out 5 minute majors for unsportsmanlike conduct.......Politics and religion..........2 big no no's ....enjoy your rally....

Kev

PS.........anyone watching the playoffs ? I love what the Kings are doing to Vancouver!!!!! If you can get a chance catch any of the Penguins vs Flyers series..........it is simply the best hockey you will ever see !!!!!!!!! go Flyers  

[Zwartie]

Hey, never let the truth get in the way of a good story!

I actually was enjoying the article until it suddenly took an immediate political turn to the right. Don't get me wrong, that article could have been modified when Bush won over Gore by someone with leanings to the left and it would have been just as annoying.

[simi_ed]

Wow, I just about had a fit not being able to log in to my favorite motorcycle site.
Thank God it's back!

Leon  Ed

Ya know, after this latest round of left-wing bullshit from the SoCal manners dude, I'm beginnging to rethink my position about "Glad to see the site back online!".  Every item posted becomes about how Obama is superior and we that oppose Obama are social reprobates because we have a different opinion.  And of course, the name calling always starts, just like any good school yard punk will do.  

I've had enough of that shit!  I came here because I have a FJ, and most others here do or have in the past.  Some seem to be here only to spew their politics and rarely, if ever offer ANY FJ related input.  So Terry, why are you here???  Maybe you should just go back to DailyKos, or HuffPO and be among your own kind.  If you have some FJ content to offer, chime in.  Otherwise, STFU.

I'll be back in a while, maybe ...

[Pat Conlon]

Meanwhile.... Klavdy is sitting back, no doubt laughing......

[big r]

I'm in agreement with Ed. Even tho I live in Canada I have to agree, this is a site about the mighty FJ and not politics. That said I don't mind a good argument about said subject now and then. So, I hope I don't ruffle any feathers being that I am a canuck but I do enjoy reading the posts about the FJ and everybody's mods and advice. Thanks all that is my two bits worth. Big R

[Zwartie]

Wow, I just about had a fit not being able to log in to my favorite motorcycle site.
Thank God it's back!

Leon  Ed

Ya know, after this latest round of left-wing bullshit from the SoCal manners dude, I'm beginnging to rethink my position about "Glad to see the site back online!".  Every item posted becomes about how Obama is superior and we that oppose Obama are social reprobates because we have a different opinion.  And of course, the name calling always starts, just like any good school yard punk will do.  

I've had enough of that shit!  I came here because I have a FJ, and most others here do or have in the past.  Some seem to be here only to spew their politics and rarely, if ever offer ANY FJ related input.  So Terry, why are you here???  Maybe you should just go back to DailyKos, or HuffPO and be among your own kind.  If you have some FJ content to offer, chime in.  Otherwise, STFU.

I'll be back in a while, maybe ...

Obviously topics such as religion and politics (and you could likely put guns in there too) are hot-topic issues that deserve a lively debate now and again. That being said, perhaps there is another forum that could be dedicated to such matters or maybe just as with the guns section, there should be a section dedicated to politics and religion (may as well lump them in together) where members can put their boxing gloves on (no guns, please) and go at it. Then, once they've given or received a good beating and they've caught their breath they can come back to one of the many sections in this forum dedicated to what is arguably one of the greatest, most versatile sport-touring motorcycles ever made – the 1992 FJ1200! See, now we can start an argument about which year and colour scheme (or "color" for you Americans) is the best. You know, discuss the things that really matter in life!
Keep on riding!

Zwartie