EBC HH Pads?

[SlowOldGuy]

You read through all of that and your contribution is a spell check?!!!  Come on TRoy, you can do better than that, Whatchagot?  :-)

Mike,
I forgot to mention that I'm all DOT5 and I NEVER change it.  The DOT 5 fluid in my slave cylinder has been in there since I installed a new cylinder back in '99.   Same for the brake fluid.  Been in there since I did the front end conversion back in the '03 time frame.

DavidR.

[rktmanfj]

I forgot to mention that I'm all DOT5 and I NEVER change it.  The DOT 5 fluid in my slave cylinder has been in there since I installed a new cylinder back in '99.   Same for the brake fluid.  Been in there since I did the front end conversion back in the '03 time frame.

DavidR.

Same here for my brakes, and the clutch probably will be by rally time.

Randy T
Indy

[andyb]

I've had good luck with EBC green pads, but they're really noisy.

Brakes are for people that don't plan ahead.  Fooey! 

[TRoy]

your contribution, Whatchagot?

whatchUgot.

contribution: the tree never recovered.

[simi_ed]

Can someone educate me on the differences between HH pads & organic?  Any feedback on EBC organics?

[rktmanfj]

Can someone educate me on the differences between HH pads & organic?  Any feedback on EBC organics?

From EBC:

There are three types of brake pad used on modern Motorcycles and these fall into these groups, Organic, semi metallic or sintered.

Quickly explained, semi metallic pads are blended with up to 30 or 50% cheap steel fibre, organic pads are made with man made fibres such as Kevlar or Twaron bonded together with a petrochemical resin and sintered metal pads are copper alloy fused together under heat and pressure.

EBC Brakes makes only Organic and Sintered Brake pads, we do not subscribe to the steel fibre technology as suitable for motorcycle brakes for numerous reasons.

Elsewhere on this website we have explained sintered brake pads in detail.

Organic pads have attracted many enthusiasts because of the way they work. They are inherently "Softer" easier on rotors and have a brake "feel" preferred by many riders.

EBC make only two formulations of organic pads for motorcycles which are described as follows.

Street Sport DMX compound.

Made with Dupont Kevlar fibre base this material have sold over 18 million sets alone since adopted. It is surely one of the best selling Motorcycle brake materials ever made and has passed every known standard test time and time again. It has been rated by top German consumer Magazine Motorrad as a compound that outperformed all compared organic pads in friction level tested. DMX compound is TUV tested and approved and is the first ever material to pass the European ECE R90 brake safety test where it was tested alongside sintered metal pads. With a GG rated friction rating, technically this material has a lower rating for brake power over sintered pads but on the machine, which is where it counts, this materials impresses. Having past the ECE R 90 test on motorcycles designed for sintered pads there is no doubt that this materials CAN BE USED TO REPLACE sintered pads on most motorcycles with safety.


EBC Brakes sintered motorcycle brake pad range includes the world famous Double-H sintered brakes, the R series ATV sintered brakes, and the MXS sintered motocross race brakes plus the high durability SV series severe duty sintered brakes. Latest addition to the EBC sintered brakes range is the EPFA series Extreme Pro ultra high friction sintered race brakes for fast sport bike use and road racing.

Enduro riders often choose the carbon graphite X series (or TT series as they are known in Europe) for their cool running, low heat characteristics in fast motocross and enduro races.


What is sintering???

This is the fusing together under heat and pressure of metallic particles and in the case of brakes it blends various other elements to enhance friction properties and wear life.

Sintered Brakes have become a standard on 99% of Motorcycles and ATVs from the OE Builders and they also form a large percentage of the aftermarket for bikes and ATV's.

Sintered brakes last longer and generally speaking handle the heat of heavy braking better. In Road Race use we have to admit that there are almost NO organic pads that come close to Sintered compounds but that does not hold true in streetbike use where EBC Organic compounds in terms of performance are almost undetectable from sintered. Proof of this is that EBC Brakes was the first and probably still is the only Brake manufacturer with EC E R 90 brake safety approval of both its sintered Brakes and its Organic brakes on Motorcycle for public highway use.

Although attempts were made by the OEMs a few years ago to cut costs of Sintered brakes by using sintered IRON, that was deemed a failure and these days the base material is copper.

Sintered copper brakes are made by one of two processes, pressure sintering in a vacuum furnace or sintering through a belt furnace in a controlled atmosphere. The steel backing plates for the brake pads are copper coated and a preformed sintered copper "Puck" is located onto pips in the plate (either male or female) and the parts are passed through a furnace. At a pre-determined temperature the copper coating under the pad puck melts and fused the puck and plate together.

Sintering is a very exact process and the EBC expertise has made it a world leader in such technology and gained it numerous OE contracts.

In the aftermarket EBC continues to offer sintered brakes for applications requiring longer life and higher heat performance and organic pads for sport and general purpose street use.
Both work well in their respective markets and have a place in the industry, elsewhere on this website we can explain the merits of each compound type and assist you in choosing what is right for your riding requirements.

HTH,
Randy T
Indy

[AustinFJ]

Can someone educate me on the differences between HH pads & organic?  Any feedback on EBC organics?

Well, from what I can gather from the website and its "spiderweb" of information...

HH pads are sintered.  They are regarded highly by many motorcycle riders.  (I'm mainly going off sites like this and the Ducati site I also frequent (yup, have one and folks on there like them).

Regarding EBC's organics, and speaking STRICTLY from personal experience (with automotive GreenStuff pads), I have managed to screw up 3 sets of brand new ( 2 Brembo, 1 Zimmermann) rotors using EBC GreenStuff pads.  While it is possible that all 3 sets of rotors were not well manufactured and had inherent "pulsing" from the factory, it is highly unlikely.  The only (unfortunate) constant was EBC GreenStuff brake pads.  I tried the "break-in" procedures and contemplated various animal sacrifices, to no avail.

After this episode, I can only recommend that you avoid EBC organics.    Again, this is only from my personal experience.   You might never have a problem.  I, however, will never, ever, purchase another EBC brake pad.  They failed to impress me.

Oh, and currently, I'm ok with Ferodo and Galfer.  So far, they haven't failed me. On the FJ, 748, or my 4-wheel vehicle.

[Dan Filetti]

Finally got to take the Gixxer for a spin today after replacing all of the brake fluids, and putting on new EBC HH pads up front.  Let me tell you: Holly Shit!

It is like riding a different bike entirely.  One finger does what 3 or 4 did in the past, feel is MUCH improved too.  The first time I grabbed the front brakes, I nearly did a stoppie, accidentally.  I briefly felt the rear suspension fully extend anyway... Switched over to one finger and all was right in the world. 

Wish I had done this sooner.

Seriously.

Dan

[rktmanfj]

So then, what kind of pads do ya run on the Chinese wave rotors?       

Randy T
Indy

I have a set of Asian rotors that just got last week and they look just as well made as stock rotors. I have not put them on yet, but I do plan on running stock pads w/ my monoblocks. After I puts some miles on them I'll report back.

LA Mike

          

Anything to report?

Randy T
Indy

[Dan Filetti]

          

Anything to report?

Randy T

I don't know about Asian rotors, but your question did prompt me to chime in about the medium term results of putting EBC HH pads on my Gixxer.  I have about 1500 miles on them so I can report with some data points.

Now, I swapped out the brake fluid at the same time, so that's a bit of a confounding variable, but breaking is vastly improved. Initial bite and feel is at least 50% better than it was, and it got better as the pads bedded in -maybe 250 miles.  The dramatic difference makes me wonder if the previous pads -worn down to +/- 20% life left, had been corrupted with something.

I'm glad I made that change, for me anyway.

Dan

[rktmanfj]

I don't know about Asian rotors, but your question did prompt me to chime in about the medium term results of putting EBC HH pads on my Gixxer.  I have about 1500 miles on them so I can report with some data points.

Now, I swapped out the brake fluid at the same time, so that's a bit of a confounding variable, but breaking is vastly improved. Initial bite and feel is at least 50% better than it was, and it got better as the pads bedded in -maybe 250 miles.  The dramatic difference makes me wonder if the previous pads -worn down to +/- 20% life left, had been corrupted with something.

I'm glad I made that change, for me anyway.

Dan

Thanks, Dan... I returned from Boone with my last set of OEM Monobloc pads worn paper thin.

Two of my three YZF fronts currently wear OEM rotors, but I plan to put a set of the Wave knock-offs on the other one, and my spare rear wheel.  Both of those were purchased without rotors.

I have EBC HH in the rear caliper right now, and while it's great while riding 2-up, it's almost too much when riding solo.

Randy T
Indy

[hein]

[ndy T
Indy
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I have a set of Asian rotors that just got last week and they look just as well made as stock rotors. I have not put them on yet, but I do plan on running stock pads w/ my monoblocks. After I puts some miles on them I'll report back.

LA Mike

I'm currently running Chinese wave rotors, monoblocks
with oem pads and fresh dot 4 fluid. Front brakes are not up to expectation so I'm switching over to some new D P HH pads before leaving for the WCR tomorrow. By the time I get to California I should know if HH pads are an improvement. Hein

[hein]

    For me the jury is still out as to wether the HH compound is the answer for front brakes. I put 3700 kms on the Chinese rotors with monoblocks and DP HH pads while attending the WCR. No complaints about the braking power, however I found the initial bite was very aggresive and lever "feel" was a bit wooden. I prefer the feel of my oem brakes on my FZ1. Possibly the pads that came with my used monoblocks were contaminated and caused the lack of brake power initially. I'll run the HH pads for a while but probably I'll buy a set of oem pads and try again. Hein. 

[FJmonkey]

    For me the jury is still out as to wether the HH compound is the answer for front brakes. I put 3700 kms on the Chinese rotors with monoblocks and DP HH pads while attending the WCR. No complaints about the braking power, however I found the initial bite was very aggresive and lever "feel" was a bit wooden. I prefer the feel of my oem brakes on my FZ1. Possibly the pads that came with my used monoblocks were contaminated and caused the lack of brake power initially. I'll run the HH pads for a while but probably I'll buy a set of oem pads and try again. Hein. 

Hein, if you switch back to OEM on the wave rotor keep a very close watch on them. Some have said that you need to use the HH pads on the wave stuff, OEM gets eaten up quickly. When you do please report back, the feedback on this would be great. The OEM might be fine on the waves.

[rktmanfj]

Well, being out of OEM monoblock pads, I ordered up a set of EBC HH for the YZF front end.

After 150 highway miles, I suppose they still have some bedding-in to do, but at this point are no better or worse than the OEMs (DOT 5).

We will do some more testing over the weekend...   

Asian wave rotors arriving soon for the spare front rim, but it will be a while before it goes on.  The Shinko Raven fronts wear pretty well.


Randy T
Indy