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2007 R1 Front and Rear end........

Started by axiom-r, December 11, 2010, 07:10:31 PM

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giantkiller

Quote from: jointbeaker on August 26, 2016, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on August 26, 2016, 01:27:20 PM
Yes and 01 is 1/2-9/16 "

Ok thanks. I've got something to think about then. Where abouts are you in WI?
I live in Fond du Lac. About 60 miles north of Milwaukee
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jointbeaker

Quote from: giantkiller on August 26, 2016, 04:52:21 PM
I live in Fond du Lac. About 60 miles north of Milwaukee

Ok cool. I've got friends in Appleton, and need to go see them again soon. :)

I'd assume these extensions couldn't be powdercoated due to the 3 pinch bolts. Anodized perhaps?

giantkiller

It appears that axiom-r wants them. Just have to get to the post office for the shipping. And let him know the cost. But perhaps you could get someone to make them up for you from the plans you have drawn up.

They could be powder coated just leave the stainless bolts. Anodizing would be better though. I don't know of any place around here that does anodizing on a couple of pieces. All big runs.
86 fj1350r
86 fj1380t turbo drag toy (soon)
87 fj1200 865 miles crashed for parts
89 fj1200 touring 2up
87 fzr1000 crashed
87 fzr750r Human Race teams world endurance champion
93 fzr600 Vance n hines ltd for sale
Custom chopper I built
Mini chopper I built for my daughter just like the big 1

FJmonkey

Quote from: giantkiller on August 26, 2016, 10:42:47 PM
It appears that axiom-r wants them. Just have to get to the post office for the shipping. And let him know the cost. But perhaps you could get someone to make them up for you from the plans you have drawn up.

They could be powder coated just leave the stainless bolts. Anodizing would be better though. I don't know of any place around here that does anodizing on a couple of pieces. All big runs.

Depends on the shop. If they are already doing a batch in the color you want then they might add your parts. This means waiting for your color to come up. Doesn't hurt to ask.
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axiom-r

I did pick them up - thank you Giantkiller!

I am going to do a couple things with these...  Yes - I would like them anodized black.  I am also going to hand them over to my machinist Buzz for trimming (I don't need the extra length) and we may make a few more sets....   Giant - did you make these yourself or did you have them made?  I cannot recall....

Anyway - super happy to be doing these follow up adjustments to the FJR1 mods...  I will post up when I have action and pics!

tim
1992 FJ1200 w 2007 R1 Front & Rear

giantkiller

Quote from: axiom-r on August 29, 2016, 12:23:42 PM
I did pick them up - thank you Giantkiller!

I am going to do a couple things with these...  Yes - I would like them anodized black.  I am also going to hand them over to my machinist Buzz for trimming (I don't need the extra length) and we may make a few more sets....   Giant - did you make these yourself or did you have them made?  I cannot recall....

Anyway - super happy to be doing these follow up adjustments to the FJR1 mods...  I will post up when I have action and pics!

tim
The local suspension guru is also a machinist and a rider. I came up with the design I wanted and he made them up for me. Those are the second generation. First set was heavy-duty. Had a tapered transition from inner to the outer section. And I also put bolts in opposite directions for left and right sides on these.

I just had him disassemble the forks, weld extensions on the caps. And then machined them down. Cost me $225 a set. Had all 3 sets of gsxr 1000 forks done.
Gotta save weight and I think it looks cleaner.
Let me know where you get them anodized. And what it costs.
86 fj1350r
86 fj1380t turbo drag toy (soon)
87 fj1200 865 miles crashed for parts
89 fj1200 touring 2up
87 fzr1000 crashed
87 fzr750r Human Race teams world endurance champion
93 fzr600 Vance n hines ltd for sale
Custom chopper I built
Mini chopper I built for my daughter just like the big 1

mish

Quote from: giantkiller on August 26, 2016, 04:52:21 PM
Quote from: jointbeaker on August 26, 2016, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on August 26, 2016, 01:27:20 PM
Yes and 01 is 1/2-9/16 "

Ok thanks. I've got something to think about then. Where abouts are you in WI?
I live in Fond du Lac. About 60 miles north of Milwaukee


Hi,I've been thinking of modifying my adjustable linkage.i did this to mine, what do you think of it.

jointbeaker

Quote from: axiom-r on August 29, 2016, 12:23:42 PM
I did pick them up - thank you Giantkiller!

I am going to do a couple things with these...  Yes - I would like them anodized black.  I am also going to hand them over to my machinist Buzz for trimming (I don't need the extra length) and we may make a few more sets....   Giant - did you make these yourself or did you have them made?  I cannot recall....

Anyway - super happy to be doing these follow up adjustments to the FJR1 mods...  I will post up when I have action and pics!

tim

Hey Tim - Whatcha got for plans with your old extensions? I'm still flirting with bringing the front end back up a bit.

axiom-r

1992 FJ1200 w 2007 R1 Front & Rear

axiom-r

Well the summertime is over...fall is setting in.  While my work schedule during summer prevents me from attending the rallies on most years, it does free me up in the late fall and winter to get busy in the garage...  It has been quite some time since I have updated the FJ/R1 thread so I think it is time.  I want to cover two topics here to wrap them up; dog bone linkage and fork extenders.....

Here's where the chips fell.

As explained in previous posts, my Soupy's Adjustable Dogbone was (in retrospect this is obvious) a hardware store bought item. It is heim joints ended with threaded round bar connected by an adapter. After about a year of use loaded both two up and touring, the Soupy's unit failed catastrophically.  I switched back to the stock 2007 R1 billet aluminum dogbone that came with the R1 parts when I found them.  This required a bit of adjustment on the shock to reset ride height but now I have a bar that I know will not fail.  The Soupy's unit MIGHT be ok for replacing a stock dogbone on an otherwise stock set up...  For the FJ/R1 combo we never addressed any changes that might have occurred in the progressive rate linkage. We don't know how much additional force is being sent through the linkage when used on FJ positioning.  We do know that the spring rate of the shock had to increase dramatically to operate correctly.  Draw your own conclusions here.  For me, I would never use a threaded round bar or heim joint ended dogbone again as this one could have killed me.  Case closed.



On to the fork extenders...  When swapping the R1 front end onto the FJ it is immediately clear that the modern upside down forks are shorter than the stock FJ forks by 2"+ inches. The FJ benefits from slight lowering of the front end so I sought out to extend the R1 forks by 2".  I had no plans of mounting clip on style handle bars to the forks (like stock). My plan was to utilize the low rise superbike style handlebars that typically mount through the top triple clamp in cone shaped rubber bushings. This approach let me select modern Yamaha parts and relieved me having to find or create longer fork extensions.  

I first utilized an off the shelf item from Cycle One Off that was a 2" extender created for the V-Max to use modern forks (see pics from the first few posts in the thread). Here is a shot of the original extender standing next to the unit that Giantkiller had custom fabricated.



Notice that Giantkiller's parts have about a 4" extension and utilize three pinch bolts on the extender itself. The Cycle One Off parts have a 2" extension and use a single set screw on the side. They are an interference fit in that they go over the fork top very tightly and then are held in place by the single set screw. This approach undermined my confidence in the front end. It required the pinch bolts on the upper and lower triples to hold the fork set up together.  The Giantkiller units slip snugly but easily over the fork top and incorporate three pinch bolts in the design. There is substantially more material both above and below the top triple clamp by comparison...  Much better peace of mind through this design.  

Here are the new units test fitted on the bike:



They were too long for me as the extenders came in contact with the bars and I could not lower the bike far enough:



So.... back to see my good friend Buzz who was happy to trim them down to the right length for my set up.  We took off more than 1" making them longer than the Cycle One Off pieces but still short enough to adjust the front end down to where I like it.

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After Buzz was finished with them I sent them to be anodized black and I love the way they came out!





The results are the final solution for my needs and this completes the front end work for the FJ/R1 as far as I am concerned....  The new extenders are much stronger and the design resolves all my worries so there is no lack of confidence at all.  In fact, it might be in my head but, the front end feels stiffer and better planted to me now....  Having the parts anodized means that they disappear when on the bike and blend in seamlessly with the other mods - I am very happy with the appearance!

Here is the finished work:











1992 FJ1200 w 2007 R1 Front & Rear

ribbert

That's excellent work, a great write up and well photgraphed. No half measures. (I never trusted the design of those adjustable dog bones even before yours failed)

Looking good!

Noel
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Pat Conlon

Nice work Tim, as always. Sure is nice to have Dan around huh?

BTW, You were missed. Perhaps next June in Petaluma?
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giantkiller

Hey Tim where did you get the anodized. I looked into getting it done around here but everyone is geared towards big manufacturing runs. I couldn't find anyone to do just a few pieces. They look awesome black. Someday I would like to get the 3 sets of welded on ones anodized gold. But would have to disassemble them.
86 fj1350r
86 fj1380t turbo drag toy (soon)
87 fj1200 865 miles crashed for parts
89 fj1200 touring 2up
87 fzr1000 crashed
87 fzr750r Human Race teams world endurance champion
93 fzr600 Vance n hines ltd for sale
Custom chopper I built
Mini chopper I built for my daughter just like the big 1

aviationfred

I am with Dan, The Black anodizing looks awesome.  :good:




Fred
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axiom-r

Quote from: Pat Conlon on November 15, 2017, 05:05:34 PM
Nice work Tim, as always. Sure is nice to have Dan around huh?

BTW, You were missed. Perhaps next June in Petaluma?

Thanks Pat - I was definitely bummed to miss every rally in 2017.  Hoping to make one in 2018 for sure.   Yes - Dan is the man.....

Dan - I was able to get the anodizing done at a place in southern California called:

Ano Pros
803 West State Street
Ontario, CA 91762
ph: (909)983-1866
fax: (909)983-5441
info@anopros.com

Ask for Jerry and tell him I sent you.  When I did the parts I told him I was going to announce his business here so It would be cool to see that come full circle for him.  I think it was $125 all in.  I selected Hard Anodizing which gives up some luster but last longer and is a tougher surface in general.

Thanks for compliments on the bike everybody!  I cannot stop thinking about an 85% gloss black powder coated frame......  


Yes. I. Am. Sick.

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1992 FJ1200 w 2007 R1 Front & Rear