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Removing float pivots

Started by tdm34, May 05, 2021, 08:47:38 AM

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tdm34

Hi All, me again asking silly questions.....

What's the best and safest way to remove the float pivot pins, I've tried all the usual stuff but they seem to be properly stuck, I've used as much force as I feel comfortable with, so over to you guys, what am I doing wrong?

Regards
Rob
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Waiex191

Good to ask before you break them like many of us!  I made a little tool out of 1/8" mild steel.  It was pretty easy to make with a hacksaw and file.


The tool clamps in a vise.  You hold the carb aligned with the tool.  There is a little hole on the end and I think that is a #40 drill bit.  The hole on the end lets you place the drill bit, or your punch of choice, and then reach over to pick up the hammer.


I also flipped it upside down and used the tool to put the pins back in.
Bryan
1989 FJ1200
1981 Suzuki GN400
Poplar Grove, IL
 

red

Waiex191,

Could we see some better pix of the DIY tool, just laid out on a flat surface?  I may be missing something there.
I would definitely use the correct drive punch, nothing else, to drive the pins.
Cheers,
Red

P.S. Life is too short, and health is too valuable, to ride on cheap parade-duty tires.

Waiex191

Quote from: red on May 05, 2021, 09:51:09 AM
Waiex191,

Could we see some better pix of the DIY tool, just laid out on a flat surface?  I may be missing something there.
I would definitely use the correct drive punch, nothing else, to drive the pins.
Red,
You bet, I'll hunt it down next time I'm at the hangar and I also remember to look.

I found a #40 drill bit is the perfect size to duplicate the skinny part of the float pin.  It was also handy for adjusting the floats as the #40 was easy to remove and replace.
Bryan
1989 FJ1200
1981 Suzuki GN400
Poplar Grove, IL
 

RPM - Robert

Quote from: tdm34 on May 05, 2021, 08:47:38 AM
Hi All, me again asking silly questions.....

What's the best and safest way to remove the float pivot pins, I've tried all the usual stuff but they seem to be properly stuck, I've used as much force as I feel comfortable with, so over to you guys, what am I doing wrong?

Regards
Rob

Safest. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-6-in-Automatic-Center-Punch-70079H/302880581 Pretty easy too, one or two clicks and they are out. I blunt the end of mine a tad bit but they will work straight out of the box too.

Old Rider

The tool Waiex191 has made is excellent . Usually if the pin is stuck you can heat the 2 studs carefully not melting the float with a mini torch like a gaslighter or a soldering iron.
You can also use  pliers on the end of the pin and twist it. When replacing the pin you don't need to hammer it fully back in it will not fall out that will make it easier to get out next time
with a pliers.

Waiex191

Quote from: RPM - Robert on May 05, 2021, 11:09:46 AM

Safest. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-6-in-Automatic-Center-Punch-70079H/302880581 Pretty easy too, one or two clicks and they are out. I blunt the end of mine a tad bit but they will work straight out of the box too.

I would have been happy to try that - although mine were pretty stuck from sitting 16 years!
Bryan
1989 FJ1200
1981 Suzuki GN400
Poplar Grove, IL
 

RPM - Robert

I have cleaned some of the filthiest, gummed up, nasty carburetors you would never even think to see. They come out every time with that punch.

One of the 12 sets I am currently building. Completely gummed up float, float needles completely stuck. First pop with the punch comes right out.

Waiex191

Those look sweet. Here was mine:


I will definitely try the center punch though.
Bryan
1989 FJ1200
1981 Suzuki GN400
Poplar Grove, IL
 

tdm34

Just been out to home depot and picked up one of the Husky spring loaded center punches, and it works like a charm, for $15 everyone should have one in their toolboxes

Thanks to the FJ massive once again
Everyone's on the wrong side of the road.....

Current '87 1tx FJ1200

Previous
Triumph Trophy 900
Honda CB1300F Beautiful thing loads of mods and 141bhp 101ft/lb
Honda CB900F x 2
Honda CBR900RRX Fireblade
Suzuki GS1000
Kawasaki Z650C2
Yamaha RD125.

RPM - Robert

Quote from: Waiex191 on May 05, 2021, 12:53:16 PM
Those look sweet. Here was mine:

I will definitely try the center punch though.

Been there, cleaned the likes of. These were just the dirtiest of the 12 I have currently. Building a few hundred sets a year; you get to see a lot of neat and Kustom fixes.

This set, the guy couldn't figure out why it kept flooding over. He had his "mechanic" rebuild them several times, to no avail. Told him to give his mechanic a hint and let him know there is a groove on the needle seat. Not to mention the damaged seat itself. If I recall the float needle was also sticking but these were a while back.

Anyways, the main point of this thread was to tell him the easiest and safest way to get the float pins out with out braking them. The tool I linked has never not worked, and never broke a post off on any of the Fj carburetors I have built.

Edit: He got the tool already and popped right out.

X-Ray

Another vote for the spring loaded centre punch, although I did back off on the spring preload a bit to make it less force needed to make it go *click*
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FJmonkey

A sharp blow with little/light force is all that is needed to free the pin.
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

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Sparky84

Quote from: FJmonkey on May 07, 2021, 04:28:21 PM
A sharp blow with little/light force is all that is needed to free the pin.
Totally agree, I've only ever used a small flat blade screwdriver and used the handle of another to tap them out.

1984 FJ1100
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giantkiller

Quote from: RPM - Robert on May 05, 2021, 11:09:46 AM
Quote from: tdm34 on May 05, 2021, 08:47:38 AM
Hi All, me again asking silly questions.....

What's the best and safest way to remove the float pivot pins, I've tried all the usual stuff but they seem to be properly stuck, I've used as much force as I feel comfortable with, so over to you guys, what am I doing wrong?

Regards
Rob

Safest. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-6-in-Automatic-Center-Punch-70079H/302880581 Pretty easy too, one or two clicks and they are out. I blunt the end of mine a tad bit but they will work straight out of the box too.

Thanks Robert I have a few of these. Always use them before hand drilling anything metal. Never thought of using them for that.
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