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Started by AppleJack, June 24, 2020, 02:00:53 PM

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red

Quote from: ribbert on June 25, 2020, 08:50:54 AM
Quote from: red on June 24, 2020, 09:41:59 PMI have started my FJ after a long winters' nap by spraying ether into the airbox inlet, with no problems.  Excessive ether as a liquid can wash the oil from the cylinder walls (bad news!)
Well, firstly Red, if there was a bike on this forum I would bet the house on being in a good state of tune it would be yours. A seasonal nap is not very long in my world, are you sure it wouldn't have started anyway? Even a freshly built, never before started engine will burst into life after a just a few cranks if you fill the bowls, why do you need starter fluid after just a Winter break? You know the story....
Fuel sucked in while cranking will wash more oil off the cylinder walls than a spray of ether, especially if sprayed on the outside of the filter element
Thanks.  My buddy . . .
I think you just answered your own question, exactly correct.

QuoteI am always amused by the surprise expressed here when an engine fires up after a period of storage, be it months, years or decades. Me, I'd be surprised if it didn't, assuming it was running when parked up. Assuming good fuel, nothing else deteriorates by time alone. Some things can deteriorate in carbies but usually not enough to stop it at least starting.
The volatiles in fuel can evaporate over time, and sometimes that can leave small orifices or fuel lines gummed up.  Fresh fuel then may simply carry the deposits into places that you won't like them to go.  Even if the deposits are minimal, the old fuel will not ignite as easily as if the engine had been running yesterday.

QuoteThe photo is for Pat.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50043784206_e8fd3076b5_c.jpg
Red, we'll have to agree to disagree on how best to use starter fluid, but that's OK, we can do that.
Noel
Noel,
No problem here.   :hi: 
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Cheers,
Red

P.S. Life is too short, and health is too valuable, to ride on cheap parade-duty tires.

TRoy

Quote from: AppleJack on June 24, 2020, 02:00:53 PM
Bike is complete with 9,000 miles.  Some one make me an offer?

Hi Jon, do you have any pics, or links to pics of the bike? Thanks
Peace & Love
86FJ 100K+
07Burg650
15Downtown300

AppleJack

Yes  If interested in more, send me PM
Jon Appleby

CutterBill

And this is why I always advise FJ owners to buy the Yamaha Service manual. It has a detailed troubleshooting guide for a "no start" condition... starting on page 6-30 for the early bikes with TCI, and page 37 of the FJ1200W Supplement for the later bikes with DCI. Follow the steps, solve the problem.

I agree with Noel that the "mechanic" who looked at your bike was a poor one. No Spark conditions are just about the easiest of problems to solve; I hope he didn't ask for any money to NOT fix your bike.*

Jon, don't give up. That is a beautiful bike and I know we can get it running. If you want, I can scan the troubleshooting sections from the manual and email to you.
Bill

*Back in the days of the Red Dog Saloon when I owned an auto repair shop, I had a sign on the wall of the office... "You don't pay me to WORK on your car; you pay me to FIX your car. If we don't fix it, you don't pay."
Never Slow Down, Never Grow Old.

Current Stable:                                                     
FJ1100                                              
FJ1200 (4)
1999 Yamaha WR400 (street-legal)
2015 Super Tenere
2002 Honda Goldwing

fj1289

If that bike is half as nice as it photographs - it's definitely worth buying the Yamaha service manual and finding a good reputable mechanic- even if it means shipping it across the US to get it there ...

fj1289

When I bought my '89 "rolling basket case" it was an electrical no-start also.  I bought it from an industrial heating/cooling controls repairman.  When I saw all the wires he had proved while trying to fix it himself, my first thought was "I'm screwed".  Turned out to be a bad side stand switch AND a bad clutch switch if I recall.   My "hack" repair job then was to bypass them both and ride on. 


red

Jon,

I think you are one glitch away from having a great bike. 
You may not have found the right help yet, but man, the help is out there, and well worth finding. 
If you are frustrated for the moment, take a break, but IF it was up to me,
I'd say keep the bike and maybe look for some better help.  If that next guy has some gray hairs,
and has been riding and wrenching forever, that would be a good bet.

I'm in Utah, so I can't be much help, but ask around on your local bike forums and the local bike hangouts,
to find the guy who can do the job for you.
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Cheers,
Red

P.S. Life is too short, and health is too valuable, to ride on cheap parade-duty tires.

FJ1200W

Quote from: fj1289 on June 27, 2020, 11:25:11 AM
When I bought my '89 "rolling basket case" it was an electrical no-start also.  I bought it from an industrial heating/cooling controls repairman.  When I saw all the wires he had proved while trying to fix it himself, my first thought was "I'm screwed".  Turned out to be a bad side stand switch AND a bad clutch switch if I recall.   My "hack" repair job then was to bypass them both and ride on. 


Well said and done
Steve
Columbia, Missouri
USA

FJ1200W

Quote from: fj1289 on June 27, 2020, 11:21:02 AM
If that bike is half as nice as it photographs - it's definitely worth buying the Yamaha service manual and finding a good reputable mechanic- even if it means shipping it across the US to get it there ...

Agreed - it looks good enough for me to consider buying it.

At a minimum, lust after it a bit........
Steve
Columbia, Missouri
USA

Pat Conlon

1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

andyoutandabout

He who gives up on an Fj that looks like that, gives up on much
life without a bike is just life