Engine breaking down, flames and popping through exhaust

Started by Bill Pine, February 07, 2018, 05:52:47 AM

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Bill Pine

Hi there, I have a pronblem with the engine running rough on my FJ1200, 1995.

I have put two new coils and fitted 4 new spark plug caps.
The bike starts but runs rough.
There is a lot of popping through the exhaust and it can also spit some flames.
It ran great for a short time and then started running rough again after the install of coils and plug caps.
Looking for ideas and any help/suggestions.
Thank you.
Bill.

balky1

One or more of the intake manifolds and/or their O-rings is probably cracked leading to lean condition and popping.


FJ 1100, 1985, sold
FJR 1300, 2009

Bill Pine

Quote from: balky1 on February 07, 2018, 06:42:23 AM
One or more of the intake manifolds and/or their O-rings is probably cracked leading to lean condition and popping.
Thank you, I need somewhere to start and all help is greatfuly appreciated.
Bill.

balky1

Did you try to feel the exhaust pipes after starting? If one or more are cold those cylinders are not firing. In that case, since you fiddled with electrics, start from there.


FJ 1100, 1985, sold
FJR 1300, 2009

FJ_Hooligan

Verify the spark plug wires are routed to the proper cylinders.
DavidR.

TexasDave

Quote from: FJ_Hooligan on February 08, 2018, 12:18:52 PM
Verify the spark plug wires are routed to the proper cylinders.
BEST advise yet. Don't know why I didn't think of it. I have done the same thing on a VW with the same results.
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oldktmdude

Quote from: TexasDave on February 08, 2018, 01:40:41 PM
Don't know why I didn't think of it. I have done the same thing on a VW with the same results.
Would it make a difference on a VW?
1985 FJ1100 x2 (1 sold)
2009 TDM 900
1980 Kawasaki Z1R Mk11 (sold and still regretting it)
1979 Kawasaki Z650 (sold)
1985 Suzuki GSXR 400 x2 (next project)
2001 KTM 520 exc (sold)
2004 GasGas Ec300
1981 Honda CB 900 F (sold)
1989 Kawasaki GPX 600 Adventure

Pat Conlon

1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

ribbert

Quote from: oldktmdude on February 08, 2018, 05:59:46 PM
Quote from: TexasDave on February 08, 2018, 01:40:41 PM
Don't know why I didn't think of it. I have done the same thing on a VW with the same results.
Would it make a difference on a VW?

Not that you'd notice.  
"Tell a wise man something he doesn't know and he'll thank you, tell a fool something he doesn't know and he'll abuse you"

Bill Pine

Quote from: FJ_Hooligan on February 08, 2018, 12:18:52 PM
Verify the spark plug wires are routed to the proper cylinders.
I like your answer but sadly yes they are correct. 

Bill Pine

Quote from: balky1 on February 08, 2018, 09:31:46 AM
Did you try to feel the exhaust pipes after starting? If one or more are cold those cylinders are not firing. In that case, since you fiddled with electrics, start from there.
No that I did not do BT will be playing on the weekend.

It very interesting all the possibilities. Thanx.

Bill Pine

Quote from: Pat Conlon on February 08, 2018, 06:15:53 PM
...out of the blue.....love this place.... :rofl:

So impressed of all the response and knowledge that is out there. Really glad I made the effort to ask for help.

Thanx again. 

fjbiker84

I think the connection of the wires to the new coils and or wires to the new spark plug caps may be the problem.  If you reversed the spark plug wires completely - #2 to #1, #1 to #2, #3 to #4, and #4 to #3, the motor won't start. But it will eventually backfire so loud it will make you duck for cover.  INCOMING!!!   

balky1

 :Facepalm:
Quote from: fjbiker84 on February 09, 2018, 07:17:13 AM
I think the connection of the wires to the new coils and or wires to the new spark plug caps may be the problem.  If you reversed the spark plug wires completely - #2 to #1, #1 to #2, #3 to #4, and #4 to #3, the motor won't start. But it will eventually backfire so loud it will make you duck for cover.  INCOMING!!!   

That one I had on my Kawasaki GPz 550 unitrak. I almost got deaf.


FJ 1100, 1985, sold
FJR 1300, 2009

racerrad8

If popping in the exhaust and flames you have a possibility of a few different things going on.

As already mentioned, proper firing order is important. The two coils fire two spark plugs at a time. One cylinder is on compression stroke and the other is on the exhaust stroke. The one coil fire cylinders 1 & 4, the other fires 2 & 3.

But, lets start with flames. In order to have flames out of the exhaust there has to be a significant amount of un-burned fuel in the exhaust system.

Is this caused by a carb flooding over and too much fuel to burn.

Secondly, in order for the fuel to ignite, it needs an ignition source. The only ignition source will be the spark plug on the ignition cycle. Since the exhaust valve is open when the spark plug ignites on the wasted spark cycle, that is allowing the fuel in the exhaust system to be ignited.

If the firing order is correct, it is time for a compression test, valve clearance check & adjustment and then a compression check following.

From, there you also need to look at the carbies for flooding.

One more thing, if for some reason the camshaft timing is off, you can have these types of problems.

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