Who is still running the oem cartridge oil filter on their FJ's and why?

[Pat Conlon]

Yambutt recently posted this question which made me curious:

I still have the stock oil filter cartridge and was wondering if anyone has heard of perf-form oil filters, glass enhanced and made in the usa, i was using wix but they seem to have gotten a little longer and have trouble getting them to fit in the cartridge where as the perf-form filter fits perfectly,  but just wondering if its a good filter.....thanks

Most (if not all) the FJ'ers I've come across have converted over to the spin on oil filter.


http://rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=spinonfilteradapter
The advantages of the spin on filter are well known and have been thoroughly discussed on this forum..

So, as I said, I was curious. My question: For the FJ folks who are still using the oem cartridge filter, why?
Is it because you want to keep your bike stock or is there another reason? Is it the initial cost? ($50) Aesthetics?

Please,  I do not want any bashing on the folks who respond or for their reasons for staying oem....I'm just curious.  Thanks Pat

[Charlie-brm]

Because the 33 year old factory manual says . . .   (just kidding).

For the season we get in Ontario, which to me seems to be getting shorter every year, the requirement to change the cartridge is just not that frequent and not a big a deal to me, in the larger scheme of things. There are several other chores I seem to get bogged down with on the bike and elsewhere that can be about as "inconvenient" or messy. I almost ordered the spin on 3 years ago but I think it was seeing the shipping at checkout being about the same as the product that dissuaded me. Cost to benefit, things like improved lighting and stainless lines would get the nod from me instead. And UNI dual pod filters - now those I'm happy I bought.

[Pat Conlon]

Ok, short riding season, high shipping, gotcha, Thanks Charlie!

[racerrad8]

I almost ordered the spin on 3 years ago but I think it was seeing the shipping at checkout being about the same as the product that dissuaded me.

Charlie, it is these statements that concern me. When I don't know about things like this, there could be an issue.

One thing the RPM website used to do was "estimate" the shipping costs based on the zip code entered. Well, that estimated shipping was always the highest cost priority mail shipping. That process has since been eliminated and the complete address must be entered before the shipping is calculated.

So, based off of your address you used on your prior purchase I just ran the adapter through with your info.

I have attached the screen shots of the 1st class shipping at $24.50 and priority mail at 36.85

I hope that eases you mind a little bit about the "high shipping" cost, but that is the international rate to ship the adapter.

Randy - RPM

[PaulG]

I switched over to the spin on several years ago.  My riding seasons vary between a few thousand km (like this shitty year) to ~15,000km.  I buy the filters at NAPA and can get three or four for the price of an OEM one.  I normally go through 2-3 oil changes per yr depending on the season.  It paid for itself within two seasons.  For you guys that don't get snow, probably the first year.  I still have the OEM filter cover/bolt etc on the shelf.  For all the mods out there, probably the best bang for the buck.  To defray shipping costs I try to order stuff in batches from RPM.  If there's something I really need (or desire) I try to order a few other things that I have been putting off.  (Sometimes I just say F-IT! and buy it anyhow  )

Go ahead... do it... you know you want to... heh heh heh 

[fjbiker84]

I'm still running the original oil filter but only because I haven't changed the oil since getting back from the WCR where I won a new RPM oil filter adapter in a raffle.  Already have my Wix spin-on filter ready to go when I make the conversion. 

[yambutt]

Because it makes the clutch slave look ugly ....lol, but ive been thinking about getting the spin on filter conversion pat, are there truly any benefits to it and if so what are they, and if there is ill order mine as soon as i recover from back surgery i just had today...... bummer cause hank just turned my fj into a 1349 and it runs sweet, managed 130 miles on it while my back was blown out so i had to cut my ride short, so now i can't ride for 2 more months, man what a bummer......thanks

[yambutt]

Hank dynoed 171hp and 118 lb ft......and so far, only 136 miles to be presise and oil level is exactly where it was when i added the oil, i know you had issues with your wiseco, he says it will not burn any oil at all, so we will see, in a couple months....lol

[yambutt]

Ok im sold, i just read all the benefits, more filter media and better cooling since more oil is out of the engine, i never had issues with pinching a wire and installing the cartridge,  it goes right on for me, but with that being said the spin on is much easier,  however its the cooling and better filtration that sold me, hey i wonder if perf-form makes a spin on to work with randys design, their media suppose to filter really well, ill have to research whats the lowest micron they trap

[yambutt]

Ok this is what i found on their site....All PERF-FORM Oil Filters incorporate leading edge technology in Motorcycle oil filtration with the use of Microglass/synthetic enhanced filtration media.
S.A.E. Technical papers report the greatly increased efficiency of glass enhanced filter media for particle retention capabilities in the 4 to 22 micron range, the particle size most effective in greatly reducing engine wear. Glass enhanced media also provides the added benefit of higher levels of dirt holding capacity without increased flow restriction (back pressure).

Electron Scanning Microscope photos illustrate the fine particle catching fibers woven in the Microglass enhanced media. This NEW TECHNOLOGY filter media is considerably more costly than standard cellulose media, however we believe the enhanced filtration qualities that DIRECTLY TRANSLATE INTO LONGER ENGINE LIFE justify the cost.

All PERF-FORM Filters have correct pressure relief valving and flow rates in accordance with the Original Manufacturer's specifications.

MADE IN THE U.S.A.

Ok im sold, i just read all the benefits, more filter media and better cooling since more oil is out of the engine, i never had issues with pinching a wire and installing the cartridge,  it goes right on for me, but with that being said the spin on is much easier,  however its the cooling and better filtration that sold me, hey i wonder if perf-form makes a spin on to work with randys design, their media suppose to filter really well, ill have to research whats the lowest micron they trap

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[yambutt]

Filters also have relief or bypass valves. These valves are set to trigger if the filter element is making too large a pressure drop. Normally, this would be because it is clogged, however on an engine with a very high flow oil pump this can also happen if the oil is very cold. Motorcycles do not have high-flow oil pumps. These relief valves are set for different pressures, and sometimes a tech or mechanic will tell you that it's important that the relief valve have the correct rating. It's not. These valves are very low-precision devices, and their pop-off values are different from each other even in identical filters of the same brand. I have spoken with engineers (not techs) at AMS, Purolator, Mobil, and Champion, and not one of them knows of a single reason why you can't use a car filter on a motorcycle. In fact, not one of them could quote me a single pop-off valve pressure rating off the tops of their heads. They did not consider this an interesting or important topic until I brought it up. When the relief valve is open, the oil is going around the filter element and not being filtered at all. If your relief valve ever opens up you're either using a really cheap oil on a really cold day, or you haven't changed your oil filter since the last time you saw Robert E. Lee. Because filters can clog up and saturate with junk, your oil filter should be changed about every 5,000 miles. In fact, if you are using an advanced synthetic oil, you should probably change your oil filter about twice as often as you change your oil.

Ok this is what i found on their site....All PERF-FORM Oil Filters incorporate leading edge technology in Motorcycle oil filtration with the use of Microglass/synthetic enhanced filtration media.
S.A.E. Technical papers report the greatly increased efficiency of glass enhanced filter media for particle retention capabilities in the 4 to 22 micron range, the particle size most effective in greatly reducing engine wear. Glass enhanced media also provides the added benefit of higher levels of dirt holding capacity without increased flow restriction (back pressure).

Electron Scanning Microscope photos illustrate the fine particle catching fibers woven in the Microglass enhanced media. This NEW TECHNOLOGY filter media is considerably more costly than standard cellulose media, however we believe the enhanced filtration qualities that DIRECTLY TRANSLATE INTO LONGER ENGINE LIFE justify the cost.

All PERF-FORM Filters have correct pressure relief valving and flow rates in accordance with the Original Manufacturer's specifications.

MADE IN THE U.S.A.

Ok im sold, i just read all the benefits, more filter media and better cooling since more oil is out of the engine, i never had issues with pinching a wire and installing the cartridge,  it goes right on for me, but with that being said the spin on is much easier,  however its the cooling and better filtration that sold me, hey i wonder if perf-form makes a spin on to work with randys design, their media suppose to filter really well, ill have to research whats the lowest micron they trap

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[yambutt]

Article on oil filters...https://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html

[Pat Conlon]

Ok Yambutt, heal up first. I can imagine it has to be torture recovering from back surgery while a rip snortin fire breathing Hank Scott FJ is waiting in your garage.
Yea, do keep an eye on your oil. Check your plugs. The Wiseco Pro Lite oil rings did not do their job on my engines (x2) High rpm, close the throttle plates and the vacuum from those 82mm jugs would pull the oil right up.

Heal well!  Pat

Did you want your replies #9, #10 and #11 (above) in this topic or do you want me to move them over to your oil filter thread?

[simi_ed]

A superior spin-on filter?  Yes, it's out there. Made by Amsoil. The Ea15k20 fits the FJ with Randy's spin-on mod. How many would you like?

http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=80.0

[yambutt]

Ok Yambutt, heal up first. I can imagine it has to be torture recovering from back surgery while a rip snortin fire breathing Hank Scott FJ is waiting in your garage.
Yea, do keep an eye on your oil. Check your plugs. The Wiseco Pro Lite oil rings did not do their job on my engines (x2) High rpm, close the throttle plates and the vacuum from those 82mm jugs would pull the oil right up.

Heal well!  Pat

Did you want your replies #9, #10 and #11 (above) in this topic or do you want me to move them over to your oil filter thread?

You can leave them here pat, and thanks, as you can tell im having a hard time sleeping....lol