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Teflon tape on needle valve seat

Started by chaunceyw, July 28, 2014, 04:11:14 PM

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chaunceyw

Does it belong? It looks cruddy and I don't see it used in manual.

I cleaned my carbs and introduced a hesitation when opening throttle so now I'm trying to figure out why and came across this.

If the bike is idling and I crank the throttle it seems like it chokes a sec then revs up. If I go slow it's ok.

The screwdriver slot on one of the pilots looks chipped but the hole is fine.

Ideas on these two matters?
2001 Honda Shadow VT1100C
1988 FJ1200

FJ_Hooligan

Should be o-rings on those needle seats and NO teflon tape. (o-rings available from Randy)

Check your fuel level / float height.  Too much fuel in the bowls will sometimes cause a stumble.

Can you clean up the slot in the jet with a small file? (new jets available from Randy)
DavidR.

JoBrCo

Definitely no jury rigged Teflon taped needle seat o-rings, new o-rings are in order.

The screwdriver slot doesn't have anything to do with metering, as both jets are submerged in fuel, on the other hand, the orifice being buggered up would definitely require a new jet.

It looks like at least one of your needle seat screens is pushed in, I'd probably carefully and gently push it back out without disturbing the mesh's pitch, not that it's a big deal, really.

FJ Forever!  :drinks:

JoBrCo
1985 FJ1100NC



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chaunceyw

Yea I already pushed the screen back out.

I have a spare bank of carbs so I pulled the needle seats that had some good o-rings and stuck them in. Also replaced the pilot jet even though the general consensus is that it's fine.

The float heights all seem okay... so I have no idea what is causing my hesitation. I sprayed everything out again with carb cleaner and compressed air and put it back together. I will test in the morning and hopefully I'll have better luck.

I foolishly stored my jets in a styrofoam egg container.... yea.... you probably know where that's going. I had to soak them out again for a couple hours to get the melted styrofoam off!! Live and learn.. haha
2001 Honda Shadow VT1100C
1988 FJ1200

red

Quote from: chaunceyw on July 28, 2014, 04:11:14 PMI cleaned my carbs and introduced a hesitation when opening throttle so now I'm trying to figure out why and came across this.  If the bike is idling and I crank the throttle it seems like it chokes a sec then revs up. If I go slow it's ok.
chaunceyw,

Idle RPM should be 1100 or more; below that, you can get some hesitation, as described. 
These carbs do not have accelerator pumps, although some aftermarket carbs do. 
Those aftermarket carbs are expensive, though, so they are rarely used here.

Red
Cheers,
Red

P.S. Life is too short, and health is too valuable, to ride on cheap parade-duty tires.

chaunceyw

The problem wasn't happening before I cleaned my carbs and certainly there was no backfiring.

At around 2k rpm there's a little power drop and right around there is where backfiring happens.

I popped off the unipods and it seems like the backfires are coming back through the carb where the filter connect. It seems to be consistently carb #3 but I saw #2 backfire a couple times.

I've got the carbs off and I'm going to re measure the floats again.

Frustrating.
2001 Honda Shadow VT1100C
1988 FJ1200

FJ_Hooligan

What you're describing is typically a lean condition.  Did you remove the idle mixture screws and clean the entire idle circuit?

Are all the unused sync ports plugged?

Have you had the plugs out recently?  I've seen this happen from a cracked (dropped) plug.
DavidR.

Charlie-brm

I'm half smiling because I did a band aid similar to that with pure silicone tape, my first week of ownership. I'll save you the story of why and how except to say that you may find the tape has broken up and the bits are wandering around in the carbs, playing mayhem with your system in a random fashion. It's just a lead to consider. The cleaner chemical might have accelerated the teflon break down so it's acting up now.

The other FIY - I read (probably on FJowners.com) that some industrial suppliers have fuel suitable o-rings in sizes 0.1 mm larger than spec., which was suggested for a tighter fit on worn parts.
eg. I had no problem requesting 1.6 x 7.1 mm o-rings. They fit firmly with no issues.
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Current Model: 1990 FJ1200 3CV since 2020
Past Models: 1984 FJ1100 - 2012 to 2020
1979 XS750SF - 2005 to 2012

movenon

Quote from: Charlie-brm on July 30, 2014, 09:20:35 PM
I'm half smiling because I did a band aid similar to that with pure silicone tape, my first week of ownership. I'll save you the story of why and how except to say that you may find the tape has broken up and the bits are wandering around in the carbs, playing mayhem with your system in a random fashion. It's just a lead to consider. The cleaner chemical might have accelerated the teflon break down so it's acting up now.

The other FIY - I read (probably on FJowners.com) that some industrial suppliers have fuel suitable o-rings in sizes 0.1 mm larger than spec., which was suggested for a tighter fit on worn parts.
eg. I had no problem requesting 1.6 x 7.1 mm o-rings. They fit firmly with no issues.

I use a slightly larger 7.1mm ID by 1.6mm X-section Viton.  I got mine from Oringsandmore.com out of Richmond, Va but you have to buy a bag of them (25). They are inexpensive.
Life isn't about having the best, but about making the best of what you have...

1990 FJ 1200

JoBrCo

This place has Viton and other materials, all the sizes that are required for the Mikuni 36's and you can buy as many as you want, no minimum.  Though I never actually purchased there before, they were in my cart, and it appeared as though I could, nothing came up concerning a minimum. I just decided to get them from Randy instead, because of the SS hardware.  The funny thing is, now I'm not going to use the SS hardware.  Oh well, that's the way the cookie crumbles.

FJ Forever!

JoBrCo

 
1985 FJ1100NC



"To 'truly' see the man in the mirror, the only way for the image to be clear, as the man then 'truly' grows" --JoBrCo--

'I only know that I know nothing' --Socrates--