Valves with Brothers

[FJmonkey]

 

[Capn Ron]

God... I hate to explain jokes. "Monkeyman meant the digital micrometer"... sheesh.
I order a shim from Randy (along with a few other not so sexy items) today. Realize I will need the "special tool" to put the shim in. May need to hoard the kit a little longer. Maybe if it gets here on time I can wrap it up on Saturday. BTW contacted Randy (RPM) today and my order was boxed and sent same day. wow!

Hey Mike!

You may recall that I have the shim bucket hold-down tool...anytime you need it, just swing on by!    Just got my final 2.60mm shim from Randy today...I might just be riding this weekend!!!  

[FJmonkey]

I also have the "Hold Down" tool.... And it won't squirt oil....

[Pat Conlon]

Here is some examples of a valve cover install incorrectly...

I wonder...Is this Pat's Yamabond handy work here...
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Randy - RPM

Nope, it's not mine....judging by the cap on the #1 intake vacuum port, that is a fuel pump model FJ

[racerrad8]

I wonder...Is this Pat's Yamabond handy work here...
Randy - RPM

Nope, it's not mine....judging by the cap on the #1 intake vacuum port, that is a fuel pump model FJ

Pat, you are correct, but since I cant find the pictures of yours that I took, I figured the valve cover from Zari's bike would do. Craig did not do that handy work the P/O or mechanic did that mess.

Guys, once again there is no sealer required for the valve cover gasket. Some people like to put a dab of sealant int he corner of the half rounds, but not place else is it required.

If you are going to use a sealer on your engine, it really should be Permatex Ultra Black silicone...stay away from the Yamahabond as it doesn't work that well and Yamaha did not use that to build the engine in the first place.

Randy - RPM

[yamaha fj rider]

Yamabond is made for gluing engine cases together. Yamaha does not make gaskets for this, that is what Yamabond is for. If there is a gasket for it use that.

Kurt
 

[moparman70]

Pat wanted to get a rise out of you Randy --- I think you got the message...... and so did Pat as that is all we did was put a little in the corners of the half-rounds.

Vroooom Vroooom

[racerrad8]

Yamabond is made for gluing engine cases together. Yamaha does not make gaskets for this, that is what Yamabond is for. If there is a gasket for it use that.

Kurt 

That is what Yamaha tells you to use in the manual to seal the cases, but I am confident that is not what they used at the factory.

All of the Yamabond I have ever seen is grey; every factory built engine I have torn down over the last 20 years has never had a grey sealant, it is always black.

Yamabond dries non pliable; hard and is very difficult to remove. The factory built engines use a material that stays pliable.

As mentioned in several previous posts, I only use Permatex Ultra Black

Here is quote from Noel and why he uses it;

I've probably had as many engines (all sorts) apart as Randy and over a much more diverse range of applications and I swear by this stuff. Like Randy I have tried and seen used all manner of products but this is the best. Also great if you need pull it apart again at some point.

Use sparingly.

Noel

Yamabond is a pain to work with, it is the wrong color for the black FJ cases and not the best choice for sealing the cases back together if you ever have them apart. I did use some on the first couple of engines 20 years ago and quickly threw it in to the trash can.

Randy - RPM

BTW Steve...after the scolding, for the second time I believe, about using sealant on the valve cover gasket, I hope Pat's has it figured out because I really hate yelling at my elders...

[skymasteres]

Well thanks for all the votes of confidance and kind words guys. I really appreciate it.  I haven't welded the fairing I back together (there are a LOT of pieces) and with the air scoop missing on the left the engine darn near overheads when riding. So I'm stuck on the 91.

I'm curious though, are you guys trying to use two hold down tools at a time? Because there's one in the shim kit.

[Capn Ron]

Well thanks for all the votes of confidance and kind words guys. I really appreciate it.  I haven't welded the fairing I back together (there are a LOT of pieces) and with the air scoop missing on the left the engine darn near overheads when riding. So I'm stuck on the 91.

I'm curious though, are you guys trying to use two hold down tools at a time? Because there's one in the shim kit.

Hey Mike!

Thank you SO much for putting your shim kit together and letting the SoCal brothers utilize it.  In my case, I did the shim-shuffle, but was one shim short.  Your kit moved on to the man-shed day in Oceanside while I ordered the final shim from Randy.  I have a hold-down tool of my own, so that made things easier when it showed up!   

[Pat Conlon]

BTW Steve...after the scolding, for the second time I believe, about using sealant on the valve cover gasket, I hope Pat's has it figured out because I really hate yelling at my elders...

Sometime's yelling at your elders is the only way to get them to listen ....(according to SWMBO)

Actually in all fairness to your elder, he did use the Ultra Black goop and only on one side of the gasket and only as a last resort...
Randy, remember what this guy was going through with that confounded oil leak. Who would have thought it was coming from the base gasket, traveling up the cylinder block and dripping out in the middle of the cylinder block.....
I think he should get a pass, due to extenuating circumstances.....but that's just me..... Pat

[racerrad8]

I think he should get a pass, due to extenuating circumstances.....but that's just me..... Pat

Already passed, I was just stirring the pot since I could see the basis of the original poster...

Plus, you were subsequently trained after your last "sealing" attempt by a highly skilled sole who has adjusted maybe 1,000,000 (or at the least a whole bunch over all those years) of those FJ valves

Randy -RPM

[Pat Conlon]

Yes I was, trained by the best......and I passed that training on to Mike and Steve....

That little nugget you taught me with turning the flat blade screwdriver sideways, holding the bucket down while you repositioned the tool, was worth the price of admission....Very cool indeed.

Thank you Randy

[yamaha fj rider]

Yamabond is made for gluing engine cases together. Yamaha does not make gaskets for this, that is what Yamabond is for. If there is a gasket for it use that.

Kurt 

That is what Yamaha tells you to use in the manual to seal the cases, but I am confident that is not what they used at the factory.

All of the Yamabond I have ever seen is grey; every factory built engine I have torn down over the last 20 years has never had a grey sealant, it is always black.

Yamabond dries non pliable; hard and is very difficult to remove. The factory built engines use a material that stays pliable.

As mentioned in several previous posts, I only use Permatex Ultra Black

Here is quote from Noel and why he uses it;

I've probably had as many engines (all sorts) apart as Randy and over a much more diverse range of applications and I swear by this stuff. Like Randy I have tried and seen used all manner of products but this is the best. Also great if you need pull it apart again at some point.

Use sparingly.

Noel

Yamabond is a pain to work with, it is the wrong color for the black FJ cases and not the best choice for sealing the cases back together if you ever have them apart. I did use some on the first couple of engines 20 years ago and quickly threw it in to the trash can.

Randy - RPM

That would not surprise me one bit. Just another case of do as I say not as I do.

Kurt

[mikefootusa]

Well...got the shim kit just before last weekend and spent the day on Monday sweating my azz off in my garage playing with valve shims.  Got frustrated with just two...and decided before I did something stupid...I'd let it rest until I had time this weekend.

Got all my intakes at .005" ( spec clearance .0043-.0059) and all my exhaust at .007" ( spec clearance .0063-.0079) except for two.  Where a 265 shim gives me a strong .008" and a 270 gives me a tight .006".

Going to run by my local dealer (closed for riding Mondays) and see if I can swap 2 shims for 268's.
Then I can get the shim kit back where it belongs!

Almost there!