Dent in oilfilter

keand3 · October 01, 2013, 02:05:00 PM

Hi guys.

The last couple of rides i've done i have noticed some oil recidue on my left boot after i did the oil change. Not much but enugh to get me start looking for leaks.

I did examen the spin on adapter and filter and cant se any obviuous leaks, so i do think its some left overs from spillage i had when mounting the filter.
What i did find was that my oil filter has a dent on it. Have no idea on how it got there, but could the bike still be ridden with this dent? The filter casing has not been broken or anything like that. Just slightly prest in. Looks like a shaft from a spenner or something.

jscgdunn · October 01, 2013, 04:56:35 PM

Does the toe of your boot fit into the dent?

FJmonkey · October 01, 2013, 05:15:12 PM

The dent is not big enough to be a problem for oil flow, your filter will work properly. Think about how the spin-on filter works. You have a filter inside it that looks a lot like the OEM filters you use to install. Now there is this metal can around it keeping the oil in. Oil flows from the engine in between the can and the outside of the filter. The pressure forces the oil to pass through the filter into the center where it drains back to the engine. A dent that small is not going affect oil flow enough, your engine won't notice it. By the way, does the toe of your boot fit?

racerrad8 · October 01, 2013, 06:11:20 PM

Ken, I am not sure, but if I think I read the correctly you used a belt/strap type oil filter wrench to install the filter; correct?

If so you do not need to do that, it does not need to be that tight. You should tighten until it seats the gasket seal and then hand tighten another 3/4 of a turn; the illustration instructions are on the filter between the brand name and the part number.

There is no issue using the filter the way it is, but in the future, it does not need to be that tight.

Randy - RPM

keand3 · October 01, 2013, 08:44:01 PM

Quote from: racerrad8 on October 01, 2013, 06:11:20 PM
Ken, I am not sure, but if I think I read the correctly you used a belt/strap type oil filter wrench to install the filter; correct?

If so you do not need to do that, it does not need to be that tight. You should tighten until it seats the gasket seal and then hand tighten another 3/4 of a turn; the illustration instructions are on the filter between the brand name and the part number.

There is no issue using the filter the way it is, but in the future, it does not need to be that tight.

Randy - RPM

Hi Randy.

No, the filter is just tightend by hand. If i had a belt type wrench it would b easy to find out caouse of this.

Im guess my big toe stept on the filter or something whiles on the ground before i installed it.

I guess my toe would fit

at least with my boot on... Big guy big feet. I might upload a new xray pic of it. God knows what would be shown on that pic.

TRoy · October 01, 2013, 09:04:35 PM

I dunno man I would get that filter off there..i see a spot looks like the paint is worn off maybe from friction? make sure the new filter is ..uhh.. not damaged upon installation. then keep check if the dent reappears in the new filter you got a problem with your engine mounting.. looks suspicious there like the filter is making contact with the sidestand spring ??

FJmonkey · October 01, 2013, 09:10:12 PM

Quote from: TRoy on October 01, 2013, 09:04:35 PM
I dunno man I would get that filter off there..i see a spot looks like the paint is worn off maybe from friction? make sure the new filter is ..uhh.. not damaged upon installation. then keep check if the dent reappears in the new filter you got a problem with your engine mounting.. looks suspicious there like the filter is making contact with the sidestand spring ??

Firehawk068 · October 01, 2013, 10:23:13 PM

Do you remember hitting anything in the road? Rock, stick kicked up by the front wheel, etc.............
The impact of a rock or stick at speed could spin your filter............I had a Jeep buddy that contacted a rock while trail running, and spun the filter enough that it started spewing oil from the gasket surface. Luckily it didn't puncture the can, and he just spun it back into place until he got home........
The dent doesn't look deep enough to contact or push on the filter media center............If you are worried about it, just get another filter and change it. should only need to add less than a half quart of oil back in......As cheap as these oil filters are, give yourself peace of mind...........

keand3 · October 01, 2013, 11:57:20 PM

Dont know of if i have hit something, but there might bee a possebility for that. Been riding quite hard last couple of days and a lot og highway riding. The other day there was a lot of debris in the road from an accident perhaps its from there.

Will change the filter this weekend if it dosent caouse any problem today. Try not to stick my toe into the new filter

keand3 · October 04, 2013, 12:10:09 AM

I finally found the source to my oil leak.
It was the seal underneath the oilpump cover which has been pinched or not properly put in.

racerrad8 · October 05, 2013, 08:09:23 PM

So, the leak has been found, how about the source of the dent?

I cannot see a way that you could have cause that dent with your boot...

Randy - RPM

keand3 · October 06, 2013, 12:27:58 AM

Quote from: racerrad8 on October 05, 2013, 08:09:23 PM
So, the leak has been found, how about the source of the dent?

I cannot see a way that you could have cause that dent with your boot...

Randy - RPM

Well one things for sure, there is no way my foot can reach that spot so i belive the dent have to been mead prior to instalment.
Have been orginizing and moving stuff around the garage a lot lately so its highly possible something heavy has been layed on top of the filter. The only thing that dosent seem to add up is that i should have noticed the dent before i installed the filter.

tory · October 12, 2013, 05:15:17 PM

I just recently toured the WIX facility in NC (I sell WIX filters) and they were pretty clear any dented filter,no matter how big,should be thrown away or returned before installation.
To prove this to us,they put a ding in a filter and installed it on a test machine and pulsed it at 60 psi and down and I was surprised how much the metal moved at the dinged area.
After seeing that,I would replace it immediately.

FJmonkey · October 12, 2013, 09:25:52 PM

Quote from: tory on October 12, 2013, 05:15:17 PM
I just recently toured the WIX facility in NC (I sell WIX filters) and they were pretty clear any dented filter,no matter how big,should be thrown away or returned before installation.
To prove this to us,they put a ding in a filter and installed it on a test machine and pulsed it at 60 psi and down and I was surprised how much the metal moved at the dinged area.
After seeing that,I would replace it immediately.

60 psi eh? Randy what are the max oil pressures produced by the FJ engine? I understand that flex can cause fatigue failures, modern jets suffer from this as they fly and pressurize and depressurize.

rktmanfj · October 13, 2013, 08:19:20 AM

Quote from: FJmonkey on October 12, 2013, 09:25:52 PM
Quote from: tory on October 12, 2013, 05:15:17 PM
I just recently toured the WIX facility in NC (I sell WIX filters) and they were pretty clear any dented filter,no matter how big,should be thrown away or returned before installation.
To prove this to us,they put a ding in a filter and installed it on a test machine and pulsed it at 60 psi and down and I was surprised how much the metal moved at the dinged area.
After seeing that,I would replace it immediately.

60 psi eh? Randy what are the max oil pressures produced by the FJ engine? I understand that flex can cause fatigue failures, modern jets suffer from this as they fly and pressurize and depressurize.

But those planes are rated for tens of thousands of compression/decompression cycles.

However, when the limits are exceeded, it can be catastrophic:

http://as.wm.edu/Faculty/Hinders/aloha.html

How much does one of those filters cost?

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