Side and main stand issues ....

[craigo]

"... It's oblonged out and flops about when I ride..."
CraigO

We're still talking about the side stand, right? Otherwise you may want to see your doctor.

This is what I was talking about. Check out my centerstand almost dragging in this pic.



Is that not right? Side stand is just as bad...

CraigO

[Windmill]

Mine is a pig to get on the centre stand too, I can do it just but arm protests for a day or so afterwards

Technique on the foot rocker is key but check the rocker plates where the stand meets the floor too.......mine have flattened out over time so the stand doesn't move smoothly on it's contact point with the floor. I'll be cutting them off and replacing with some properly shaped heavier steel shortly, may just shorten the stand slightly too, there seems plenty clearance at back wheel when it's on it so should make life easier. May be worth checking suspension hasn't been lowered too? I guess the length of adjustable rear suspension links if fitted could affect it?

[Charlie-brm]

Ahhh. the center stand conundrum
I hope some people catch this suggestion and put it to good use. Years ago I was hit and miss on standing up an XS750, not exactly lightweight and either am I. Some times I'd get it on the third try, sometimes just give up before I dropped it.
Then my friend who is well into his 60's and only weighs 140 pounds soaking wet showed me he could put it up every time.
I don't call it technique. I use visualization.
Here's the visualization --- Ever dug with a spade into hard ground? Firm, steady pressure driving down with your foot on the spade.
Your arms aren't really contributing to the driving force, just keeping you balanced. (If you dig with your arms in ground you're a twit, but that's another discussion.)

OK, at least be wearing shoes with a sturdy sole. Riding boots are better. Because it's all about applying pressure through the foot.
Take a stance that keeps you comfortably balanced when your left foot is on the stand.
I mean space your feet out like you normally would if you had to keep the left foot on the stand for several minutes while talking to a buddy. Same as if one foot was on a spade and one on the ground.

Place your left hand on the left grip, your right hand under the grab loop. Sole of your left boot on the stand.
Now THIS IS IMPORTANT ----  RELAX YOUR GRIP. They are only for balance and you'll screw up using them for anything else.
We're not going to pull back with the left hand and we're not going to lift with the right hand.
My left hand is no tighter than if I was riding. On the right might I could probably put your fingers under mine and you'd survive the ordeal.

Start the foot drive down on the stand under steady control, not jerky. Picture yourself pushing that stand down through the road and ignore the idea of lifting a heavy object. Leave your hands out of the equation. The bike is going to react and arc up and back.

BMW has huge touring bikes with electric center stands strong enough to lift with two passengers. Obviously there is no way the stand can "Lift" the bike with a force from above. It can only push down, and up the BMW moves "away" from the stand in reaction.

[Zwartie]

Ahhh. the center stand conundrum
I hope some people catch this suggestion and put it to good use. Years ago I was hit and miss on standing up an XS750, not exactly lightweight and either am I. Some times I'd get it on the third try, sometimes just give up before I dropped it.
Then my friend who is well into his 60's and only weighs 140 pounds soaking wet showed me he could put it up every time.
I don't call it technique. I use visualization.
Here's the visualization --- Ever dug with a spade into hard ground? Firm, steady pressure driving down with your foot on the spade.
Your arms aren't really contributing to the driving force, just keeping you balanced. (If you dig with your arms in ground you're a twit, but that's another discussion.)

OK, at least be wearing shoes with a sturdy sole. Riding boots are better. Because it's all about applying pressure through the foot.
Take a stance that keeps you comfortably balanced when your left foot is on the stand.
I mean space your feet out like you normally would if you had to keep the left foot on the stand for several minutes while talking to a buddy. Same as if one foot was on a spade and one on the ground.

Place your left hand on the left grip, your right hand under the grab loop. Sole of your left boot on the stand.
Now THIS IS IMPORTANT ----  RELAX YOUR GRIP. They are only for balance and you'll screw up using them for anything else.
We're not going to pull back with the left hand and we're not going to lift with the right hand.
My left hand is no tighter than if I was riding. On the right might I could probably put your fingers under mine and you'd survive the ordeal.

Start the foot drive down on the stand under steady control, not jerky. Picture yourself pushing that stand down through the road and ignore the idea of lifting a heavy object. Leave your hands out of the equation. The bike is going to react and arc up and back.

BMW has huge touring bikes with electric center stands strong enough to lift with two passengers. Obviously there is no way the stand can "Lift" the bike with a force from above. It can only push down, and up the BMW moves "away" from the stand in reaction.

OK, I really like that analogy / visualization. You put it into simple terms that anyone should be able to understand. As a motorcycle riding instructor I'm teaching / showing new riders how to put their "massive" 125 cc motorcycles up onto the center stand and they typically try to pull, lift or drag the bike back onto the stand unsuccessfully the first time. I am going to incorporate some of the key points of your visualization method the next time round and don't worry; I will take full credit for it! 

Thanks,

Zwartie

[Charlie-brm]

You're already living in one of the flattest parts of Ontario Ben. How could I avenge your transgression anymore? LOL.

P.S. Your signature seems to acknowledge that already.

[Zwartie]

You're already living in one of the flattest parts of Ontario Ben. How could I avenge your transgression anymore? LOL.

P.S. Your signature seems to acknowledge that already.

That's why I don't need a center stand on my bike - after a couple thousand miles on a set of tires it will stand up on its own.

sigh...

[craigo]

Well I fixed the side stand flopping about..... (yeah, I know I should see a doctor about that)

I used a 35lb pull magnet used for an antenna base. It's a little over 2" in diameter and I used a self tapping screw and drilled it into the footpeg bracket just under the shifter. Now the side stand stays pinned to the side of the bike.

If interested, I'll post pics....

CraigO

[fj11.5]

Post pics,just include a warning about any visible floppiness

[craigo]

Post pics,just include a warning about any visible floppiness

Nothing flopping around here anymore, move along now.....

This is the disk, around $15 on Ebay for 5 of them. Going to use another one to keep the center stand from flopping about as well. Need the link, let me know...



I used a self tapping screw through the center of the disk and attached it below the shifter. I also JB Welded another strong magnet to the side stand. Keeps it nice and tight against the frame.

I hope this helps anyone with the same issue.

CraigO

[fj11.5]

Cool, cheaper than a new stand, , mine was that bad it actually moved even with the weight of the bike on it, yes, my hole was flogged out