I'm sure this has been covered many times, I got a clutch spring from Randy great service. Changed the small clutch plate to the large one and removed the wire " what was that for " WOW can't believe the difference. locks right up and not that much of a work out, felt like a new bike again.
I'm no mechanic so if I could do it anyone can.
So much great info on here, thxs to everyone
Jim
well done, would you say the clutch is noticeably heavier to pull as im contemplating this aswell,
ken
Quote from: thunder1295 on May 09, 2013, 07:33:11 PM
WOW can't believe the difference. locks right up and not that much of a work out, felt like a new bike again.
Jim
Not quite, a new bike feel would have new clutch plates, one spring, a light lever and still have plenty of bite.
Sorry, couldn't resist!
As you may have guessed, I'm not a fan of this fix but as it is enshrined in FJ lore and cannot be challenged, I will likely be placed on a digital stake in the middle of the digital campfire and burnt for saying so. That's what happens to heretics.
Many people on the forum have done this fix and it is very popular, even people WITHOUT slipping clutches are starting to do it.
Having said that, congrats on the doing the job yourself, it's very satisfying isn't it.
Now, go and ride it.
Noel
I don't find the pull at the lever hard at all, its little heaver and where the clutch was grabbing before the last inch and 1/2 its turned around and grabs the first inch as your letting out the clutch.
No slip at all even throwing a speed shift at 9 grand, its an easy fix and much cheaper, I guess I could of just used the new spring by itself but this worked out great.
Yes its always nice to be able to fix it yourself and save some bucks and I have been riding, its hard to get me off..lol
I also installed the uni pods a couple of weeks ago, didn't have to do anything to the carbs as in re-jetting, was running a tab rich before and now its perfect, nice brown tanning on the plugs and hell yes it goes faster..lol
Jim
Quote from: thunder1295 on May 10, 2013, 07:20:05 AM
I have been riding, its hard to get me off..lol
Jim
I have done 70,000kms of recreational riding over 5 years and I still can't stay off mine. In fact it gets worse as I make the bike better.
You are sure to have a lot of good times on yours.
Noel
Quote from: thunder1295 on May 10, 2013, 07:20:05 AM
I don't find the pull at the lever hard at all, its little heaver and where the clutch was grabbing before the last inch and 1/2 its turned around and grabs the first inch as your letting out the clutch.
Jim
I found the same thing as Jim. Lever pull was not that much more than one spring, also this can be viewed as a preventive measure. If there was a spring that was about one and a half times the stock spring I think it would be perfect.
Kurt
My clutch hasn't been slipping but the mod is on my "to do" list after the WCR. To late for me to tearing apart the bike.... I guess more of a pro active mod.
George
Quote from: movenon on May 10, 2013, 10:26:13 AM
My clutch hasn't been slipping but the mod is on my "to do" list after the WCR. To late for me to tearing apart the bike.... I guess more of a pro active mod.
George
It only takes 30 minutes, if you are slow... :pardon:
Quote from: not a lib on May 10, 2013, 10:39:25 AM
Quote from: movenon on May 10, 2013, 10:26:13 AM
My clutch hasn't been slipping but the mod is on my "to do" list after the WCR. To late for me to tearing apart the bike.... I guess more of a pro active mod.
George
It only takes 30 minutes, if you are slow... :pardon:
I am pretty slow alright :lol: I have to order the parts and my nature is while I have things are apart I usually inspect and investigate usually, leading to more parts :dash2:,
It's a problem I have......... :yahoo:
I just did the switch to larger friction plate. And Barnett coil spring pressure plate(going to use the used spring to double up in the 87) I didn't realize that the clutch was slipping, and was why it wouldn't do the power wheelies. I remember my first fj back in 86 doing . I put it down to the 60lbs I've gained since then.
Turns out it was the clutch not the extra weight! Found the KOokaloo I remembered!!!
Quote from: not a lib on May 10, 2013, 10:39:25 AM
Quote from: movenon on May 10, 2013, 10:26:13 AM
My clutch hasn't been slipping but the mod is on my "to do" list after the WCR. To late for me to tearing apart the bike.... I guess more of a pro active mod.
George
It only takes 30 minutes, if you are slow... :pardon:
OK I ordered the parts from Randy..... :flag_of_truce:
The bike has 32K on her and I can see that putting a full size plate in the rear would be good and elimination of the little wire clip/spring up front would be less to go wrong in the future and the putting what I assume is an FJR 1300 clutch spring in her might be a good idea with 20 plus years and 32K on the original one. I don't know about stacking them, over 500 lbs of pressure seems like a lot. Guess I have a few days to think about that. :pardon: :lol:
George
Quote from: movenon on May 12, 2013, 09:49:15 AM
OK I ordered the parts from Randy..... :flag_of_truce:
The bike has 32K on her and I can see that putting a full size plate in the rear would be good and elimination of the little wire clip/spring up front would be less to go wrong in the future and the putting what I assume is an FJR 1300 clutch spring in her might be a good idea with 20 plus years and 32K on the original one. I don't know about stacking them, over 500 lbs of pressure seems like a lot. Guess I have a few days to think about that. :pardon: :lol:
George
George,
It is so easy to get to the clutch spring, and you don't even lose any oil, that you can just put the FJR spring in and see if its enough. It was for my bike.
If it still slips, then open it back up and stack the 'old' FJ spring on top.
Arnie
Quote from: Arnie on May 12, 2013, 08:45:30 PM
Quote from: movenon on May 12, 2013, 09:49:15 AM
OK I ordered the parts from Randy..... :flag_of_truce:
The bike has 32K on her and I can see that putting a full size plate in the rear would be good and elimination of the little wire clip/spring up front would be less to go wrong in the future and the putting what I assume is an FJR 1300 clutch spring in her might be a good idea with 20 plus years and 32K on the original one. I don't know about stacking them, over 500 lbs of pressure seems like a lot. Guess I have a few days to think about that. :pardon: :lol:
George
George,
It is so easy to get to the clutch spring, and you don't even lose any oil, that you can just put the FJR spring in and see if its enough. It was for my bike.
If it still slips, then open it back up and stack the 'old' FJ spring on top.
Arnie
TNX Arnie. That's probably what I will do.
Mine is not slipping that I am
aware of. My thought was to upgrade it a little to prevent a problem it the future. From reading it looks easy, cost is low, trading a narrow disk for a full disk can't hurt, getting that wire clip out of there is just one more thing I don't need in there to foul things up, the spring is probably not as strong as it could be after 32K, and last but not least I can inspect everything else in there.
Off topic but I sure like that F4i shock Arnie. Can't get over the improvement for 75 bucks and some time. TNX for your input.
George
Quote from: movenon on May 12, 2013, 09:27:48 PM
Quote from: Arnie on May 12, 2013, 08:45:30 PM
Quote from: movenon on May 12, 2013, 09:49:15 AM
OK I ordered the parts from Randy..... :flag_of_truce:
The bike has 32K on her and I can see that putting a full size plate in the rear would be good and elimination of the little wire clip/spring up front would be less to go wrong in the future and the putting what I assume is an FJR 1300 clutch spring in her might be a good idea with 20 plus years and 32K on the original one. I don't know about stacking them, over 500 lbs of pressure seems like a lot. Guess I have a few days to think about that. :pardon: :lol:
George
George,
It is so easy to get to the clutch spring, and you don't even lose any oil, that you can just put the FJR spring in and see if its enough. It was for my bike.
If it still slips, then open it back up and stack the 'old' FJ spring on top.
Arnie
George
George, you can fit and FJR spring, a second spring, hell, fit longer bolts and fit a third spring, but it ain't slippin' how will you know if it's enough?
If your clutch is NOT slipping why do anything?
All wet clutches will eventually slip. Unlike a dry clutch that slips when it wears down, wet clutch fibre plates become impregnated with impurities and oil additives and lose some friction qualities.
My recently discarded fibre plates for example were at the top end of the thickness range and the steels still had the machine marks at nearly 100.000k's. I'm not hard on clutches.
When it starts to slip you can then decided whether you replace the parts that have become unserviceable or add another spring but if it's not slipping why worry.
Noel
Hi Noel !
I see your point. I will probably only use one FJR spring. :good2: It was a used bike and I have never been in the clutch area to have a look see and inspect. I like to think the changes are minimal and in an effort to head off any near term problems. Very possably everything is good and with in spec as is. But "I" don't know until I look at it.
So while there it will replace 1 disk, a fresh spring, remove one wire/spring that can cause a problem and new gasket. When done I will know exactly what condition my clutches are in. Not much different than if you pull the front forks apart you might as well do the bushings and upgraded seals....
I spent most of my working career around aircraft and we tried not to wait until a wing fell off (unlike Lockheed :rofl:) before thinking about doing some inspections and modifications to head off a problem. It's just my nature. I hate doing repairs on the road when I have a nice shop to work in and the time to inspect or modify.
Not to say that "stuff" doesn't happen, I just work the odds as best I can.
George
Yes George, I agree with the idea of preventative maintenance. Mind you, a slipping clutch isn't quite as catastrophic as a wing falling off and would not leave you stranded on the side of the road.
The clutches wear, very slowly, rather than fail and I would expect at your mileage that it looked like new, unless it has suffered some abuse earlier in it's life.
Life long habits are hard to change, in your case this is a good thing (preventative maintenance)
Some of my earliest clutch jobs involved freehand cutting trapezoidal 'cork' inserts from a sheet for the dry clutches in post war bikes which were still in use as regular transport by some in the late 60's. The plates on these had fibre inserts pushed into holes in a metal plate and proud on both sides. Once cut, they would have to be grooved around the edge for a sort of push fit to hold them in place. There were no parts available.
That was a lot of clutches ago and, like you, lifetime habits are hard to break, which in my case is
I was glad I replaced mine. Like I said. I didn't really feel it slipping. I thought it might be, because of no power wheelies. And it turned out it was. And also when I separated the plates.two pieces of two of the friction plates fell out. Probably wouldn't have come out and shattered the basket. But I would think, they could have.
Quote from: giantkiller on May 13, 2013, 07:07:45 AM
I was glad I replaced mine. Like I said. I didn't really feel it slipping. I thought it might be, because of no power wheelies. And it turned out it was. And also when I separated the plates.two pieces of two of the friction plates fell out. Probably wouldn't have come out and shattered the basket. But I would think, they could have.
Yours does power wheelies? What gearing do you have?
Yah I love just wacking the throttle open, and having the front jump up in the sky. Just first rolling away from a stop. I get it rolling, back off the throttle a touch and wack it open. Front jumps sky ward. I guess it's not really a power wheelie cause I close the throttle first, but no clutching. (18/42 which is slightly taller than stock. But I have gsxr wheel and 180 tire so could be slightly lower?) It will do pure, power wheelies coming out of a corner if you wack the throttle while your still leaned over. But that can get you into trouble! Put my yzf750r down once little bit of grit I didn't see.
I guess I'm a bit of a squid. But I only do it for my own enjoyment. When no one is around.
Quote from: ribbert on May 13, 2013, 05:43:02 AM
Yes George, I agree with the idea of preventative maintenance. Mind you, a slipping clutch isn't quite as catastrophic as a wing falling off and would not leave you stranded on the side of the road.
The clutches wear, very slowly, rather than fail and I would expect at your mileage that it looked like new, unless it has suffered some abuse earlier in it's life.
Life long habits are hard to change, in your case this is a good thing (preventative maintenance)
Some of my earliest clutch jobs involved freehand cutting trapezoidal 'cork' inserts from a sheet for the dry clutches in post war bikes which were still in use as regular transport by some in the late 60's. The plates on these had fibre inserts pushed into holes in a metal plate and proud on both sides. Once cut, they would have to be grooved around the edge for a sort of push fit to hold them in place. There were no parts available.
That was a lot of clutches ago and, like you, lifetime habits are hard to break, which in my case is
I also want to remove that small wire retaining spring that in my case "might" still be in there. Randy indicates that they on occasion break into pieces and get ingested into the engine that can also from photo's do damage to clutch disks. http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=1808.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=1808.0).
I have to same problem when I buy a used car. I usually go though it and "zero" time out tires, battery, brakes, hoses, all fluids, sometimes front end and electrical parts. No free lunch, if its a good deal then it most likely needs some attention. Everything has a life cycle or life expectancy. It just depends on where you want to be on that time line. Here in colder weather if your battery is over 3 years old and you need you auto for work then put a new battery in. Yea, it might hang in there for 6 years but it is a matter of where and when it fails. In your part of the world if you travel in the out back then there is certain things you should be proactive about.
It is human nature to view the world and things as we want it to be, not as it is. :morning2: :pardon:
George
rigorous testing by muppet labs has determined that removing the small clutch fiber and anti-rattle spring and replacing them with a full size fiber with a new fjr spring will be sufficient and no second spring is necessary.
therefore the clutch pull remains as stock with no need for left hand abuse or different clutch master to compensate for the added tension. :mail1:
Quote from: Mark Olson on May 13, 2013, 10:00:47 AM
rigorous testing by muppet labs has determined that removing the small clutch fiber and anti-rattle spring and replacing them with a full size fiber with a new fjr spring will be sufficient and no second spring is necessary.
therefore the clutch pull remains as stock with no need for left hand abuse or different clutch master to compensate for the added tension. :mail1:
That's where I am at. :good2: Waiting for the 3 parts to arrive.....
George