Just bought a 85 fj1100 and was wanting to do an oil change..is the engine oil the same as the clutch oil? also it pops out of the carbs when its cold any ideas? thanks
10w40 semi-synth Lucas MC oil works good for me, even in 105* summer heat.
Popping is probably partially-clogged choke circuit in carbs...
The engine and clutch share the same oil.
Be cautious (iow don't use them) with any of the "friction modified" oils.
My choice of oil for all my vehicles is a good diesel 15W40 CH4 oil.
Arnie
Being air cooled and prone to running a little hotter with some inconsistencies in temperature, I like running 20W40/ 20W50. Oil capacity is close to 3.4 litres with filter change. I use Golden Spectro semi syn.
Dean
Quote from: Arnie on April 18, 2013, 08:19:27 PM
The engine and clutch share the same oil.
Be cautious (iow don't use them) with any of the "friction modified" oils.
My choice of oil for all my vehicles is a good diesel 15W40 CH4 oil.
Arnie
Same here for the diesel and the FJ :good2: :good2: :good2: :good2:
George
This is in part an old post, I have deleted inflammatory references to specific oil types.
I've read many testimonials here for oil. Just how you determine one being better than the other I'm not sure.
The most common endorsement seems to be " I've been using brand X for years and haven't had a problem" Ive always been curious how a casual rider can determine oil quality unless it has some obvious shortcoming.
99% of engines that do extraordinary mileage do so on crap oil! Taxis, buses, trucks, couriers etc.
I have one car I work on regularly ( 4cyl ) that's done 900,000 K's and the best oil it's ever seen is what the garage has in the 44 out the back.
The one thing all the above mentioned vehicles have in common is a low start to mileage ratio.
The wost thing you can do to an engine is start it cold, but this is of course, unavoidable. This is when a substantial amount of the wear occurs.
Oil, like most things, has no doubt benefitted greatly from modern technology and there may be benefits to using expensive, additive laden products but how many 100's of 1000's of Km's do you plan on putting on the old girl anyway?
My own experience and that of many others here is that the clutch is not always happy with these oils.
The FJ's have a pretty basic engine not subject to any extremes and unlike many modern engines does not NEED flash oil, use if you want but it doesn't need it.
Granted, there may be specific applications where fancy oil has an advantage, but I'm talking general engine use.
HOW YOU TREAT YOUR MOTOR COLD, HOW OFTEN YOU CHANGE YOUR OIL AND YOUR RIDING HABITS WILL HAVE A GREATER IMPACT ON ENGINE LIFE THAN OIL CHOICE.
SUMMARY
Run whatever you like, the FJ's hardly likely to fail prematurely in any of our lifetimes because of it.
Noel
oooooooh no only run mineral 20W50 or all your male heirs will have 3 testicles :biggrin:
Seriously I prefer the mineral based stuff as I personaly and in my humble opion beleive its kinder on the clutch and the old air cooled lumps like the FJ with not so tight tollerances are happier.
I also belive it is a more cost sympatheic solution, paying AUD$120 for a 4l tub of gold blend shit hot oil leaves me cold :bye2:
Quote from: FJSpringy on April 18, 2013, 09:53:03 PM
oooooooh no only run mineral 20W50 or all your male heirs will have 3 testicles :biggrin:
Seriously I prefer the mineral based stuff as I personaly and in my humble opion beleive its kinder on the clutch and the old air cooled lumps like the FJ with not so tight tollerances are happier.
I also belive it is a more cost sympatheic solution, paying AUD$120 for a 4l tub of gold blend shit hot oil leaves me cold :bye2:
OK, I went to a lot of trouble to be diplomatic in my post on this subject, I see you've shown no such restraint.
I agree with you 100% .
Thanks guys I ended up going with 10w40 yamalube for now because where i live the weather varies from 50 to 80 so i figured 10w40 would work well. I am having a mechanic look at it for the low rpm popping he thinks it needs re jetted from having pod filters and a pipe on it so we will see where that gets me :)
Quote from: FJSpringy on April 18, 2013, 09:53:03 PM
oooooooh no only run mineral 20W50 or all your male heirs will have 3 testicles :biggrin:
Seriously I prefer the mineral based stuff as I personaly and in my humble opion beleive its kinder on the clutch and the old air cooled lumps like the FJ with not so tight tollerances are happier.
I also belive it is a more cost sympatheic solution, paying AUD$120 for a 4l tub of gold blend shit hot oil leaves me cold :bye2:
HUH? $120 for 4 litres?! That is criminal. It is at our local shop for $10.00 a litre, (although I still consider this expensive in my books). If it was that price, I agree, I certainly would not be using it either. But...I received 2 cases of the stuff when I bought my bike so I will re-evaluate once my stock is gone. And yea, I agree, I usually only run regular, clutch friendly fossil oil 20W40.
Have a good one,
Dean
I like using a synthetic oil especially on an older motor weather motorcycle or car/truck, I seem to get better fuel millage
G'day,
I use Castrol 4T 10-40w with great results, and I also use Morey's oil stabilser, with amazing results. No clutch slip, reduced vibration, very happy.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/4/1121_20_04_13_5_51_53.jpeg)
cheers, Gareth
I use Castrol 4T as well Gareth, although I'd be interested to find out more about the oil stabiliser you use. I've known about Moreys for years, but always thought, why?
Thanks
Ray
Edit: went and did some research on this, seems to have a lot of recommendations, how much do you use per oil change?
Quote from: X-Ray on April 20, 2013, 07:07:44 PM
I use Castrol 4T as well Gareth, although I'd be interested to find out more about the oil stabiliser you use. I've known about Moreys for years, but always thought, why?
Thanks
Ray
Edit: went and did some research on this, seems to have a lot of recommendations, how much do you use per oil change?
Hey Ray Bertie and I have been using Penrite 10-50 gas for last couple of yrs comes in a 5 litre container and runs out at about $40, we've been using it in all the bikes seems to do the job well enough :biggrin:
Baldy
G'day X-ray,
I never used to use additives, but I had an old XJ650 that vibrated as per age, she was tuned right, just getting on. Anyway, an old bike mechanic said give it a go, of which I did. The result was almost immediate, vibration down, bike seemed "perkier" and rode sweet! The clutch was not affected despite all the doom sayers.
I have used it constantly for the past 3 years or so in the XJ and the FJ. The FJ recently underwent a headjob and the mechanic reported nill issues concerning bad wear patterns caused by oil starvation or quality. Incidentally I noticed he also had a bottle of Morey's under his bench!
I use a 25% mix, or 1 litre morey's to 3 litre oil. It is not for everyone, but bear in mind many products we use now started out as "niche" products, before being adopted by larger companies. Lucas also sell a Morey type product, virtually the same product.
Anyone heard of "Magnatech"?
anyway, each to their own. :bye:
cheers, Gareth
castrol 4t 20-50 for me in sunny old QLD,use it in all my bikes, even in the gearbox of my RD,
Gareth do you still have your xj650? mine is the special/ maxim,in fact just about to take it out for a spin, heres a pic, done around 70000
k's, just put a new camchain init so is good for another 50000, great little bikes, this is at scarborough
(http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz63/kennymick65/005-3.jpg) (http://s814.photobucket.com/user/kennymick65/media/005-3.jpg.html)
G'day
Here are some pics, before I covered her up with panniers, made her look like a baby Goldwing!
cheers, Gareth
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/4/1121_20_04_13_10_54_34.jpeg)
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/4/1121_20_04_13_10_56_23.jpeg)
these hiroshema screamers are fun after 6000rpm, very underated imho, nice bike :good2:
Cheers,
Ironically she was cheaper than the FJ, and never gives me problems!
Gareth
30 years ago oil additives were all the rage. Prime time advertising, huge sponsorship deals, celebrity endorsements, cars being driven around test tracks with the oil supposedly drained from the motor and so on.
Slick 50, Nulon, Lucas, Wynns, Redex........ and who didn't have an STP sticker on their car in the 70's.
Most of these used the same active ingredients added to thick engine oil. Dupont at one point specifically distanced itself from the use of its materials in these products.
They were more snake oil than youth elixir.
Oil companies have some of the best funded R&D facilities in the world and modern oil has many additives already that have undergone rigorous testing before being introduced.
No oil company or vehicle manufacturer in the world recommends using these additives. The only people promoting them are the people that make them.
Modern oil has everything you need in it without harming your motor.
The bottle of Morey's' at the mechanics? If it was under his bench it's probably for engine assembly, a popular use.
The reasons why you shouldn't use this stuff is a long answer. If anyone is interested enough, I'm sure you wouldn't have to look too far on the net to find out why.
Noel
Quote from: ken65 on April 20, 2013, 11:39:24 PM
(http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz63/kennymick65/005-3.jpg) (http://s814.photobucket.com/user/kennymick65/media/005-3.jpg.html)
That looks the the 650. I had a Maxim 550, as my first 'big' street bike! Loved that bike, as did a female friend of mine (even more than I knew at the time) -but that, is a different story...
Dan
i can remember putting slick 50 in my old sandman, the mechanic who convinced me to use it showed me the pamphlet that came with it, it was miraculous stuff according to the testamonials.
Sandman, van or ute :good2: , either is good
Quote from: ken65 on April 21, 2013, 04:41:02 PM
i can remember putting slick 50 in my old sandman, the mechanic who convinced me to use it showed me the pamphlet that came with it, it was miraculous stuff according to the testamonials.
Slick 50's claims were outrageous. Promising everything from whiter teeth to a bigger dick, they were taken to court, by a govt body not a competitor, and forced to back away from the results they claimed using their product would bring.
van, but it wasnt genuine i dont think, wasnt into cars much, used it for a couple of years as a motel room when i was working all around the place,
not at all surprised with the slick 50 thing, in 1990 it cost around 50 bucks from memory, sold the car a year later,it didnt help
Quote from: ribbert on April 21, 2013, 07:36:44 AM
30 years ago oil additives were all the rage. Prime time advertising, huge sponsorship deals, celebrity endorsements, cars being driven around test tracks with the oil supposedly drained from the motor and so on.
Slick 50, Nulon, Lucas, Wynns, Redex........ and who didn't have an STP sticker on their car in the 70's.
Most of these used the same active ingredients added to thick engine oil. Dupont at one point specifically distanced itself from the use of its materials in these products.
They were more snake oil than youth elixir.
Oil companies have some of the best funded R&D facilities in the world and modern oil has many additives already that have undergone rigorous testing before being introduced.
No oil company or vehicle manufacturer in the world recommends using these additives. The only people promoting them are the people that make them.
Modern oil has everything you need in it without harming your motor.
The bottle of Morey's' at the mechanics? If it was under his bench it's probably for engine assembly, a popular use.
The reasons why you shouldn't use this stuff is a long answer. If anyone is interested enough, I'm sure you wouldn't have to look too far on the net to find out why.
Noel
I hear what you are saying, and I agree with most of what you are saying, hell, chances are you have more mechanical experience than myself. But, you seem to be implying that only small companies with fake products are the only companies to make outlandish claims with no evidence....
Australians on this site would have seen television comercials for castrol "Magnatech" This advertisement kind of states that it's product will stick to the inside of your engine for cold start ups, even implying it has magnetic properties.
"The unique formulation with Castrol Magnatec ultra-refined intelligent molecules is designed to cling to your engine parts..."
http://magnatec.castrol.com/ (http://magnatec.castrol.com/)
"All of the products in the Castrol Magnatec range are rich in intelligent molecules...Bonds to metal surfaces making engine parts more resistant to wear."
http://magnatec.castrol.com/en/oil-range/5w-40-c3.html (http://magnatec.castrol.com/en/oil-range/5w-40-c3.html)
"Castrol Magnatec Professional's intelligent molecules cling like a magnet, dramatically reducing* engine ..."
http://www.ils.co.nz/ils/assets/downloads/SKU%20TDS/3377463.pdf (http://www.ils.co.nz/ils/assets/downloads/SKU%20TDS/3377463.pdf)
I really want to see what an "ultra-refined intelligent molecule" looks like, I bet it wears glasses and understands Shakespeare!
From the quick search around the net it seems Americans cannot purchase Magnatech, why? I read awhile ago that Castrol were taken to court in the U.S to prove how they got oil to stick like a magnet as they were claiming. Apparently thay lost the case, ergo you cannot buy magnatech in the U.S- If someone knows more detail on this please weigh in as I may have remembered it wrong...
Hell, you may be right afterall.... I never heard of a major company lying, especially not an oil company.
I'll take my chances,
cheers, Gareth
Quote from: mr blackstock on April 22, 2013, 06:36:20 AM
I hear what you are saying, and I agree with most of what you are saying, hell, chances are you have more mechanical experience than myself. But, you seem to be implying that only small companies with fake products are the only companies to make outlandish claims with no evidence....
Australians on this site would have seen television comercials for castrol "Magnatech" This advertisement kind of states that it's product will stick to the inside of your engine for cold start ups, even implying it has magnetic properties.
"The unique formulation with Castrol Magnatec ultra-refined intelligent molecules is designed to cling to your engine parts..."
http://magnatec.castrol.com/ (http://magnatec.castrol.com/)
"All of the products in the Castrol Magnatec range are rich in intelligent molecules...Bonds to metal surfaces making engine parts more resistant to wear."
http://magnatec.castrol.com/en/oil-range/5w-40-c3.html (http://magnatec.castrol.com/en/oil-range/5w-40-c3.html)
"Castrol Magnatec Professional's intelligent molecules cling like a magnet, dramatically reducing* engine ..."
http://www.ils.co.nz/ils/assets/downloads/SKU%20TDS/3377463.pdf (http://www.ils.co.nz/ils/assets/downloads/SKU%20TDS/3377463.pdf)
I really want to see what an "ultra-refined intelligent molecule" looks like, I bet it wears glasses and understands Shakespeare!
From the quick search around the net it seems Americans cannot purchase Magnatech, why? I read awhile ago that Castrol were taken to court in the U.S to prove how they got oil to stick like a magnet as they were claiming. Apparently thay lost the case, ergo you cannot buy magnatech in the U.S- If someone knows more detail on this please weigh in as I may have remembered it wrong...
Hell, you may be right afterall.... I never heard of a major company lying, especially not an oil company.
I'll take my chances,
cheers, Gareth
The picture in my mind of intelligent molecules is funny.
I don't know what Castrol do to the oil to make this claim.
The were taken to court in the USA for other reasons. I think it was to do with their definition of "semi synth" nothing to do with the oil molecules having a low IQ.
I don't think their claims were challenged.
They did however get taken to court over outragious claims for a fuel additive.
I read somewhere recently where Magnatec is sold in the US as Castrol Start Up. I can't verify that but I do know it is common to market the same products in different countries under different names for all sorts of reasons.
You're right, heaven forbid a global giant like an oil company would tell a fib.
Who remembers the Esso "Tiger in you Tank" campaign with the tiger tails you would hang from your filler cap?
(http://alasg.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/tiger-tail3.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-utC7x_FMlXY/TidlqJPhxII/AAAAAAAADn0/AW3-JV_m7yA/s400/work.3676008.2.flat%252C550x550%252C075%252Cf.55-bel-air-with-a-tiger-in-the-tank.jpg)
I wonder if anyone took them to court when they realised they were fake?
Noel
Quote from: FJSpringy on April 18, 2013, 09:53:03 PM
oooooooh no only run mineral 20W50 or all your male heirs will have 3 testicles :biggrin:
Seriously I prefer the mineral based stuff as I personaly and in my humble opion beleive its kinder on the clutch and the old air cooled lumps like the FJ with not so tight tollerances are happier.
I also belive it is a more cost sympatheic solution, paying AUD$120 for a 4l tub of gold blend shit hot oil leaves me cold :bye2:
Just bought my FJ....and the previous owner used 20w60 in the past 2 months. He said, he used 20w50 earlier, but he thought, he will try out the thicker oil, because of he drives in traffic usually, and the engine temperature is pretty high.
What do you guys think, will it ruin my engine, if I keep the 20w60, but will just use it as a "normal" user, so not revving that bad, and not using it in hot conditions, just for cruising!? Sorry for my bad English, I am Hungarian.
I've never seen 20w60 oil for sale anywhere here, so have no experience of it.
Personally, I've been using Morris Oils 20w50 "Ring-free" oil for a couple of decades and will probably continue to use the re-branded Morris 20w50 mineral oil, or a bike specific 10w40 semi synthetic in the future.
I can't really see a good reason to use a 20w60 oil.
Another oil thread! :Facepalm:
300.000 km of hard riding and running like new using mineral 20 50 w API SG oil, 6000 kms oil & filter change
Wel, in fact, better