oil weight and capacity?

[ken65]

castrol 4t 20-50 for me in sunny old QLD,use it in all my bikes, even in the gearbox of my RD,

Gareth do you still have your xj650? mine is the special/ maxim,in fact just about to take it out for a spin, heres a pic, done around 70000


k's, just put a new camchain init so is good for another 50000, great little bikes, this is at scarborough

[mr blackstock]

G'day

Here are some pics, before I covered her up with panniers, made her look like a baby Goldwing!

cheers, Gareth

[ken65]

 these hiroshema screamers are fun after 6000rpm, very underated imho, nice bike

[mr blackstock]

Cheers,

Ironically she was cheaper than the FJ, and never gives me problems! 

Gareth

[ribbert]

30 years ago oil additives were all the rage. Prime time advertising, huge sponsorship deals, celebrity endorsements, cars being driven around test tracks with the oil supposedly drained from the motor and so on.

Slick 50, Nulon, Lucas, Wynns, Redex........ and who didn't have an STP sticker on their car in the 70's.

Most of these used the same active ingredients added to thick engine oil. Dupont at one point specifically distanced itself from the use of its materials in these products.

They were more snake oil than youth elixir.

Oil companies have some of the best funded R&D facilities in the world and modern oil has many additives already that have undergone rigorous testing before being introduced.

No oil company or vehicle manufacturer in the world recommends using these additives. The only people promoting them are the people that make them.

Modern oil has everything you need in it without harming your motor.

The bottle of Morey's' at the mechanics? If it was under his bench it's probably for engine assembly, a popular use.

The reasons why you shouldn't use this stuff is a long answer. If anyone is interested enough, I'm sure you wouldn't have to look too far on the net to find out why.

Noel

[Dan Filetti]

That looks the the 650.  I had a Maxim 550, as my first 'big' street bike!  Loved that bike, as did a female friend of mine (even more than I knew at the time) -but that, is a different story...

Dan

[ken65]

i can remember putting slick 50 in my old sandman, the mechanic who convinced me to use it showed me the pamphlet that came with it, it was miraculous stuff according to the testamonials.

[fj11.5]

Sandman, van or ute , either is good

[ribbert]

i can remember putting slick 50 in my old sandman, the mechanic who convinced me to use it showed me the pamphlet that came with it, it was miraculous stuff according to the testamonials.

Slick 50's claims were outrageous. Promising everything from whiter teeth to a bigger dick, they were taken to court, by a govt body not a competitor, and forced to back away from the results they claimed using their product would bring.

[ken65]

van, but it wasnt genuine i dont think, wasnt into cars much, used it for a couple of years as a motel room when i was working all around the place,

not at all surprised with the slick 50 thing, in 1990 it cost around 50 bucks from memory, sold the car a year later,it didnt help

[mr blackstock]

30 years ago oil additives were all the rage. Prime time advertising, huge sponsorship deals, celebrity endorsements, cars being driven around test tracks with the oil supposedly drained from the motor and so on.

Slick 50, Nulon, Lucas, Wynns, Redex........ and who didn't have an STP sticker on their car in the 70's.

Most of these used the same active ingredients added to thick engine oil. Dupont at one point specifically distanced itself from the use of its materials in these products.

They were more snake oil than youth elixir.

Oil companies have some of the best funded R&D facilities in the world and modern oil has many additives already that have undergone rigorous testing before being introduced.

No oil company or vehicle manufacturer in the world recommends using these additives. The only people promoting them are the people that make them.

Modern oil has everything you need in it without harming your motor.

The bottle of Morey's' at the mechanics? If it was under his bench it's probably for engine assembly, a popular use.

The reasons why you shouldn't use this stuff is a long answer. If anyone is interested enough, I'm sure you wouldn't have to look too far on the net to find out why.

Noel

I hear what you are saying, and I agree with most of what you are saying, hell, chances are you have more mechanical experience than myself.  But, you seem to be implying that only small companies with fake products are the only companies to make outlandish claims with no evidence....

Australians on this site would have seen television comercials for castrol "Magnatech"  This advertisement kind of states that it's product will stick to the inside of your engine for cold start ups, even implying it has magnetic properties.

"The unique formulation with Castrol Magnatec ultra-refined intelligent molecules is designed to cling to your engine parts..."
http://magnatec.castrol.com/

"All of the products in the Castrol Magnatec range are rich in intelligent molecules...Bonds to metal surfaces making engine parts more resistant to wear."
http://magnatec.castrol.com/en/oil-range/5w-40-c3.html

"Castrol Magnatec Professional's intelligent molecules cling like a magnet, dramatically reducing* engine ..."
http://www.ils.co.nz/ils/assets/downloads/SKU%20TDS/3377463.pdf

I really want to see what an "ultra-refined intelligent molecule" looks like, I bet it wears glasses and understands Shakespeare!

From the quick search around the net it seems Americans cannot purchase Magnatech, why?  I read awhile ago that Castrol were taken to court in the U.S to prove how they got oil to stick like a magnet as they were claiming.  Apparently thay lost the case, ergo you cannot buy magnatech in the U.S- If someone knows more detail on this please weigh in as I may have remembered it wrong...

Hell, you may be right afterall....  I never heard of a major company lying, especially not an oil company.

I'll take my chances,

cheers, Gareth

[ribbert]

I hear what you are saying, and I agree with most of what you are saying, hell, chances are you have more mechanical experience than myself.  But, you seem to be implying that only small companies with fake products are the only companies to make outlandish claims with no evidence....

Australians on this site would have seen television comercials for castrol "Magnatech"  This advertisement kind of states that it's product will stick to the inside of your engine for cold start ups, even implying it has magnetic properties.

"The unique formulation with Castrol Magnatec ultra-refined intelligent molecules is designed to cling to your engine parts..."
http://magnatec.castrol.com/

"All of the products in the Castrol Magnatec range are rich in intelligent molecules...Bonds to metal surfaces making engine parts more resistant to wear."
http://magnatec.castrol.com/en/oil-range/5w-40-c3.html

"Castrol Magnatec Professional's intelligent molecules cling like a magnet, dramatically reducing* engine ..."
http://www.ils.co.nz/ils/assets/downloads/SKU%20TDS/3377463.pdf

I really want to see what an "ultra-refined intelligent molecule" looks like, I bet it wears glasses and understands Shakespeare!

From the quick search around the net it seems Americans cannot purchase Magnatech, why?  I read awhile ago that Castrol were taken to court in the U.S to prove how they got oil to stick like a magnet as they were claiming.  Apparently thay lost the case, ergo you cannot buy magnatech in the U.S- If someone knows more detail on this please weigh in as I may have remembered it wrong...

Hell, you may be right afterall....  I never heard of a major company lying, especially not an oil company.

I'll take my chances,

cheers, Gareth

The picture in my mind of intelligent molecules is funny.

I don't know what Castrol do to the oil to make this claim.

The were taken to court in the USA for other reasons. I think it was to do with their definition of "semi synth" nothing to do with the oil molecules having a low IQ.

I don't think their claims were challenged.

They did however get taken to court over outragious claims for a fuel additive.

I read somewhere recently where Magnatec is sold in the US as Castrol Start Up. I can't verify that but I do know it is common to market the same products in different countries under different names for all sorts of reasons.

You're right, heaven forbid a global giant like an oil company would tell a fib.

Who remembers the Esso "Tiger in you Tank" campaign with the tiger tails you would hang from your filler cap?






I wonder if anyone took them to court when they realised they were fake?

Noel

[Thomas The Hun]

oooooooh no only run mineral 20W50 or all your male heirs will have 3 testicles 

Seriously I prefer the mineral based stuff as I personaly and in my humble opion beleive its kinder on the clutch and the old air cooled lumps like the FJ with not so tight tollerances are happier.

I also belive it is a more cost sympatheic solution, paying AUD$120 for a 4l tub of gold blend shit hot oil leaves me cold 

Just bought my FJ....and the previous owner used 20w60 in the past 2 months. He said, he used 20w50 earlier, but he thought, he will try out the thicker oil, because of he drives in traffic usually, and the engine temperature is pretty high.
What do you guys think, will it ruin my engine, if I keep the 20w60, but will just use it as a "normal" user, so not revving that bad, and not using it in hot conditions, just for cruising!? Sorry for my bad English, I am Hungarian.

[Millietant]

I've never seen 20w60 oil for sale anywhere here, so have no experience of it.

Personally, I've been using Morris Oils 20w50 "Ring-free" oil for a couple of decades and will probably continue to use the re-branded Morris 20w50 mineral oil, or a bike specific 10w40 semi synthetic in the future.

I can't really see a good reason to use a 20w60 oil.

[Alf]

Another oil thread! 
300.000 km of hard riding and running like new using mineral 20 50 w API SG oil, 6000 kms oil & filter change
Wel, in fact, better