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Title: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: E Double on August 12, 2009, 08:35:42 PM
Hello all,

I've been seeing that FZR1000 front wheels work for the later FJ1200's, but what will work on my 84?  I would imagine some of the early GSX-R wheels would work but I haven't a clue where to begin with that, and haven't the time nor inclination to experiment.   I just want to run radials and have a bit less sidewall to contend with up front.   Eventually I'd like to do the rear as well, but I like to burn my bridges one at a time.  Costs less too.   Cheers for any help.

                                                                                  Dennis
Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: Pat Conlon on August 12, 2009, 11:13:57 PM
Hello Dennis, welcome amigo! Good to see you have the best FJ...the classic, most beautymus '84!
Unfortunately several things need to happen before you can loose your '84's pig heavy, narrow 16" rim and pig heavy double vented rotors.
What you need to do to run the front 17x3.5" 87/88 FZR rim is to:
1) Replace your lower fork sliders with later model ('89+) FJ lower sliders. If you wish you can reuse your '84's stanchion tubes. Good time to add heavier springs, cartridge emulators new oem seals. eBay is your friend.
Reason: The mounting points for the brake calipers you will need to use on the new single faced 298mm rotors won't work on your existing '84 sliders. Wrong location. '89+ sliders = Right location.
2) Get some YZF R-1 blue spot calipers and a FJR 14mm master cylinder (m/c) Using your existing 5/8" m/c with the blue spots results in a very heavy brake lever, a much better feel with a 14mm m/c.
3) Get some '89+ FJ (298mm) single face rotors.
4) Reuse your existing front fender, axle, spacers and speedo drive.

FYI Here's what it will look like when you are done: http://tinyurl.com/5swvzh (http://tinyurl.com/5swvzh)
(http://www.fjrally.com/picgallery/gallery%2F2005_West_Coast_Rally%2FRally19.jpg)
You will be wonderfully surprised at the better stopping and handling this mod will do for your '84.

Cheers and welcome again..
Pat Conlon, Palm Desert, CA
Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: E Double on August 13, 2009, 02:03:28 AM
Pat,

     Thanks for the info!

                    Dennis
Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: threejagsteve on August 13, 2009, 03:18:54 AM
Here's a pair of blue spot calipers on eBay right now:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/98-99-00-01-Yamaha-R1-front-calipers_W0QQitemZ320409753806QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item4a99e8d8ce&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/98-99-00-01-Yamaha-R1-front-calipers_W0QQitemZ320409753806QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item4a99e8d8ce&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245)

Warning: They're in Canada, so shipping will likely be steep.
Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: higbonzo on August 13, 2009, 11:22:04 AM
this may still be available....

http://fjowners.com/index.php?topic=284.0 (http://fjowners.com/index.php?topic=284.0)

later..
Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: racerman_27410 on August 13, 2009, 11:39:04 AM

that is such a clean ride MR Conlon........  :good2:


Quote from: Pat Conlon on August 12, 2009, 11:13:57 PM
Hello Dennis, welcome amigo! Good to see you have the best FJ...the classic, most beautymus '84!
Unfortunately several things need to happen before you can loose your '84's pig heavy, narrow 16" rim and pig heavy double vented rotors.
What you need to do to run the front 17x3.5" 87/88 FZR rim is to:
1) Replace your lower fork sliders with later model ('89+) FJ lower sliders. If you wish you can reuse your '84's stanchion tubes. Good time to add heavier springs, cartridge emulators new oem seals. eBay is your friend.
Reason: The mounting points for the brake calipers you will need to use on the new single faced 298mm rotors won't work on your existing '84 sliders. Wrong location. '89+ sliders = Right location.
2) Get some YZF R-1 blue spot calipers and a FJR 14mm master cylinder (m/c) Using your existing 5/8" m/c with the blue spots results in a very heavy brake lever, a much better feel with a 14mm m/c.
3) Get some '89+ FJ (298mm) single face rotors.
4) Reuse your existing front fender, axle, spacers and speedo drive.

FYI Here's what it will look like when you are done: http://tinyurl.com/5swvzh (http://tinyurl.com/5swvzh)
You will be wonderfully surprised at the better stopping and handling this mod will do for your '84.

Cheers and welcome again..
Pat Conlon, Palm Desert, CA
Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: Pat Conlon on August 13, 2009, 01:52:40 PM
Thanks Frank, coming from the FJ master himself, means a lot.
Since that picture, I've made several other mods to my '84. YZF1000 rear and FZR USD front.
Here's a shot Marsh took at our last WCR, being at night, it's not a clear picture.
http://tinyurl.com/lhmxxu (http://tinyurl.com/lhmxxu)

(http://www.fjrally.com/picgallery/gallery%2F2009_West_Coast_Rally%2FIMGP3671.jpg)

Dennis beware: This FJ modification bug is serious stuff....It starts off sooo innocently...

Quote from: racerman_27410 on August 13, 2009, 11:39:04 AM

that is such a clean ride MR Conlon........  :good2:


Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: threejagsteve on August 13, 2009, 02:49:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on August 13, 2009, 01:52:40 PM

This FJ modification bug is serious stuff....It starts off sooo innocently...


Are the blue spot calipers superior to the YZF750 6-pot calipers, which I gather will also bolt on to later sliders?
Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: the fan on August 13, 2009, 06:03:59 PM
yes. Power is similar, but the monoblocs (blue dots) are considerably lighter. I tried a set of 6 pots on my YZF600 and a set of "blue dots" on my YZF600 and the 6pots went back to ebay.
Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: racerman_27410 on August 13, 2009, 07:55:27 PM

LOL i'm no master.... just extremely lucky and determined  :yahoo:

My goodness..... its probably for the best that picture of your FJ was taken at night..... a daytime shot of all those shiney bits might have blinded me  :biggrin:

mods are kewl.... what else are we going to do besides work on our FJ's .. sit around and watch TV ????????

Kookaloo!


Quote from: Pat Conlon on August 13, 2009, 01:52:40 PM
Thanks Frank, coming from the FJ master himself, means a lot.
Since that picture, I've made several other mods to my '84. YZF1000 rear and FZR USD front.
Here's a shot Marsh took at our last WCR, being at night, it's not a clear picture.
http://tinyurl.com/lhmxxu (http://tinyurl.com/lhmxxu)

Dennis beware: This FJ modification bug is serious stuff....It starts off sooo innocently...

Quote from: racerman_27410 on August 13, 2009, 11:39:04 AM

that is such a clean ride MR Conlon........  :good2:


Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: FeralJuggernaut on August 13, 2009, 11:06:52 PM
Paddy!!   What are you doing!?!   You are going scare away the new guy showing off like that!    :sarcastic:    First the red and silver, then throw in all the bonus shiny bits, he is going to give up before his Modifier's Anonymous card even shows up in mail.    :lol:

FYI, it looks like your front tire is cupped.   :P   and where is that decal that goes on the chin fairing?   muwhahaha


Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: threejagsteve on August 14, 2009, 01:05:40 AM
Quote from: the fan on August 13, 2009, 06:03:59 PM
yes. Power is similar, but the monoblocs (blue dots) are considerably lighter. I tried a set of 6 pots on my YZF600 and a set of "blue dots" on my YZF600 and the 6pots went back to ebay.

Thanks, the fan! Useful to know (for the future... ;) ).
Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: E Double on August 14, 2009, 10:53:09 PM
Well, mine is definitely not as mint as yours (omfg I wish) but I can't kick too hard; http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/99BWGN7JHMbWjEswCzjiRg?feat=directlink. (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/99BWGN7JHMbWjEswCzjiRg?feat=directlink.)  I haven't figured out where this forum's photo uploader is yet, so here is a link to the pics of the bike and where I ride/have ridden, starting from today;  http://picasaweb.google.com/brwnsoxx/TheMotorcycleChronicles?feat=directlink (http://picasaweb.google.com/brwnsoxx/TheMotorcycleChronicles?feat=directlink)   
Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: threejagsteve on August 15, 2009, 04:43:07 AM
Here's another pair of blue dots:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/98-99-00-01-Yamaha-R1-1000-front-brake-caliper-LEFT_W0QQitemZ110417955617QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item19b56c4b21&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/98-99-00-01-Yamaha-R1-1000-front-brake-caliper-LEFT_W0QQitemZ110417955617QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item19b56c4b21&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/98-99-00-01-Yamaha-R1-1000-front-brake-caliper-RIGHT_W0QQitemZ110417954803QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item19b56c47f3&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/98-99-00-01-Yamaha-R1-1000-front-brake-caliper-RIGHT_W0QQitemZ110417954803QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item19b56c47f3&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14)
Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: rktmanfj on August 15, 2009, 08:39:42 AM
Quote from: threejagsteve on August 15, 2009, 04:43:07 AM
Here's another pair of blue dots:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/98-99-00-01-Yamaha-R1-1000-front-brake-caliper-LEFT_W0QQitemZ110417955617QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item19b56c4b21&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/98-99-00-01-Yamaha-R1-1000-front-brake-caliper-LEFT_W0QQitemZ110417955617QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item19b56c4b21&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/98-99-00-01-Yamaha-R1-1000-front-brake-caliper-RIGHT_W0QQitemZ110417954803QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item19b56c47f3&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/98-99-00-01-Yamaha-R1-1000-front-brake-caliper-RIGHT_W0QQitemZ110417954803QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item19b56c47f3&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14)


I reckon I can turn off my eBay searches now...     :flag_of_truce:

Randy T
Indy
Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: E Double on August 15, 2009, 09:29:00 AM
Definitely not freaking out.  I just purchased a 25 year old motorcycle with 62K miles on it for less than one of these Penske shocks and its in good shape cosmetically, and excellent shape mechanically.  The week before I picked it up the previous owner had new fork seals and progressive springs put in, and he had all of the maintenance records for himself and his two buddies who owned it previously.  I've put 750 miles on it in the last week and all I've done is give it a good cleaning, and adjust the chain. I had to do more than that when I purchased my 2000 Concours in 2002 with 13K on it.  I think this is gonna work well for me until I decide I want a monthly payment for BMW K1300 GT, and its gonna be a while before I lose enough sense to not have all of my vehicles owned outright.   As for the Penske shock, which model fits, or are they modular with different fittings available?   Ohlins just added the YA441 to the "obsolete" list so unless I can find one when I'll be ready to pull the trigger (around the first of the year hopefully) I'll have to consider the Penske.

                                                                              Cheers,

                                                                                     Dennis
Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: waricle on August 16, 2009, 09:25:07 AM
Quote from: E Double on August 14, 2009, 10:53:09 PM
Well, mine is definitely not as mint as yours (omfg I wish) but I can't kick too hard; http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/99BWGN7JHMbWjEswCzjiRg?feat=directlink. (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/99BWGN7JHMbWjEswCzjiRg?feat=directlink.)  I haven't figured out where this forum's photo uploader is yet, so here is a link to the pics of the bike and where I ride/have ridden, starting from today;  http://picasaweb.google.com/brwnsoxx/TheMotorcycleChronicles?feat=directlink (http://picasaweb.google.com/brwnsoxx/TheMotorcycleChronicles?feat=directlink)   
Love the coffee grinder.
I am looking for something better than my Sunbeam grinder for the La Pavoni machine- What was that about a 17" something????
Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: the fan on August 16, 2009, 10:49:49 AM
The coiffed one answered the 17" question back in the second post.
To Paraphrase 'get thee a set of 89+ fork lowers oh one  of inferior hair, and all the mysteries of 17" front wheels are yours.'
Title: Re: 84 FJ; What 17" front wheels will work?
Post by: E Double on August 16, 2009, 12:30:23 PM
 [/quote]
Love the coffee grinder.
I am looking for something better than my Sunbeam grinder for the La Pavoni machine- What was that about a 17" something????
[/quote]

Thanks.  I picked that up from a coffee shop that went out of business.  Paid damn near nothing for it ($90 for a $600 grinder). You should wander over to home-barista forums (http://www.home-barista.com/ (http://www.home-barista.com/)) to get some ideas for a good grinder.   As with bike parts ebay is your friend.