Hi Guys, new to the forum...
I got my first FJ a couple months back.. a 1984 FJ1100 Red/Silver. LOVE the bike..
Currently, the clutch master cylinder is dripping slightly... can I replace it with an fj1200 cmc? If not, where would I go for a good used one? I emailed a guy who was parting one out, but when he went to ship it, he noticed that it was unusable. :(
Thanks in advance,
Josh
Hello Josh, welcome to the zoo! Those Silver/Red '84's hold a special place in my heart.
Yes, you can use any FJ year clutch m/c for your clutch. That does not mean that you should. You roll the dice when you buy someone's used m/c
Why not just rebuild what you have? Kit cost is $25 from Randy @ RPM. 1/2 hour later you have new m/c
http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=M%2FC%3AClutchrbkit (http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=M%2FC%3AClutchrbkit)
You might as well spend another $18 with Randy and rebuild your clutch slave while you're in there:
http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=Clutch%3AS%2FK&cat=39 (http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=Clutch%3AS%2FK&cat=39)
Keep an eye out for a MityVac for bleeding your brake and clutch lines. A very handy tool. (Pep Boys, Auto Zone, etc)
Replace your 27 year old soft rubber brake lines (right away) and wire tie the elbow on your petcock (asap): http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=3265.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=3265.0)
Zip on over to the intro section and tell us about yourself and what you would like to do to your bike.... and post some pictures of your bike.
Everyone here knows that the Silver and Red first FJ's are the most beautiful FJ's made (popcorn) Cheers! Pat
Quote from: Pat Conlon on October 15, 2011, 05:38:47 PM
Everyone here knows that the Silver and Red first FJ's are the most beautiful FJ's made (popcorn) Cheers! Pat
Sorry Pat,
They are not and the forum has spoken on this issue. According the the poll, the 3CV was chosen as the best and most beautiful FJ ever made. :yes: And I feel the midnight blue 90 was the prettiest one of all. Even though I now own my second silver/white 90.
All in good fun, :good2:
CraigO
No No, your both wrong the blue and grey 3XW is the best looking and everybody knows the blue ones are fastest!
(http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af316/Barcaple/DSCF1265.jpg)
:blum1: :blum1: :blum1:
I agree with Pat, in my opinion the 84 red and silver are without question the most beautiful of the FJ's.
When I rebuilt my master cylinders I used a piece of rod stock, about 1/8" in diameter, to make an arbor to hone the cylinder. I taped a piece of fine ScotchBite to the arbor, wrapping it around the the arbor and used a drill to lightly hone the cylinder. It worked good, just be carefull not to over do it and get the bore out of round or size.
welcome bushdog :hi:
those 1st year fj's are smooth and sexy.
you can use a fjr1300 master cyl and it will give you a lighter pull for the clutch. which is helpful after you double up your clutch spring.
Wow.. I had been busy and hadn't gotten to check the forum out for replies... glad to see this is such an active and friendly forum.
I do like the red/silver FJ... and it does have a matching red/silver Corbin seat which doesn't look too shabby - http://www.roguemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DSCF1633.JPG (http://www.roguemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DSCF1633.JPG)
Personally, though, I've always thought the red/white FJ's were my personal favorite. I wouldn't have minded a rd/black to match my first street bike, an fj 600, either. I do love my red/silver, though.
Thanks for the link to the rebuild kit. I had seen another one somewhere, but they wanted 50+ for it, so I thought it would be cheaper to just replace with a used unit. I'll buy that kit and slap it together, put my new clutch lever on, and ride off into the sunset, lol.
If I ever do need to replace with an fj1200, I read there's one difference.. some kind of pin that keeps the choke in place? Can anyone elaborate?
Thanks for all the replies, I'm sure I'll be back often in the future!
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Very nice looking bike in really good condition. Where did you get the lower fairing bit?
CraigO
It says Lockhart on the lower area. This is new to me...I've never seen that style before. It looks like a interesting replacement for our chin fairings.
Quote from: Pat Conlon on October 19, 2011, 02:26:45 PM
It says Lockhart on the lower area. This is new to me...I've never seen that style before. It looks like a interesting replacement for our chin fairings.
No idea where that came from, lol. I do like the look of the slightly larger chin fairing, though. I got it from a guy near Grand Rapids, MI for 1670 bucks w/ the bags and the original seat as well. It had about 28k on it. Seems to be in fair condition and runs great, although I've noticed smoking from some oil somewhere in the front burning off after a couple rides 600 miles into ownership, along with the cmc issue. Oil isn't low, but I'm gonna change the valve cover gasket and see if that takes care of it, as it does seep a little bit there. Came with the original owner's manual, which had all the service work done to the bike listed as far as I could tell. Valve job was last done at 20k miles or so, so I better get on that. Hopefully, you guys can guide a complete noob through checking and adjusting valve clearances on this site?
Probably getting ahead of myself though, as the screws on the CMC are completely stripped. Any tips for the best way to remove them? (Seems like they have been or have become stripped on almost every bike I've ever had.. I already have a full set of stainless steel bolts/screws to replace everything on the bike, if I can just get them out!)
Quote from: buschdogg on October 21, 2011, 02:11:53 PM
Probably getting ahead of myself though, as the screws on the CMC are completely stripped. Any tips for the best way to remove them? (Seems like they have been or have become stripped on almost every bike I've ever had.. I already have a full set of stainless steel bolts/screws to replace everything on the bike, if I can just get them out!)
Take it off, get it on the workbench where you can get a better angle at it. Impact driver, job done.
If the impact driver doesn't work, drill the heads off them, remove the lid and use vise grips to undo the remaining threaded shafts. Regards, Pete.
dont forget the valve cover bolt grommets.... i would say thats probably where your oil leak is coming from... seen it many times on many FJ's
KOokaloo!
Frank
Just wanted to reply and update that the impact screwdriver worked wonders. I ordered one of the ones you can hit with a hammer from ebay. Put it in the stripped spot expecting to fail miserably and within 3 quick taps with a mallet, the screw was turning freely. I immediately replaced both the clutch master cylinder screws as well as the front brake cylinder screws with new stainless steel ones. Thanks for the great advice!
PS - If there's any FJ rider in the Chicago area who wants to help/teach me about working on my fj (I really want to strip a little bit of it down/fix minor things and make it shine like new.) I can offer lots of beer and computer parts/work/whole computers :) just PM me, as I'm pretty sure I'm done for the season and ready to work on this thing.
Where are you in Chicago ?
Far south side. Country Club Hills, right between Homewood and Tinley Park :)
Im in Hillside but only temporary.Got my bikes up in palatine.What are you doing to your bike ?Clutch Master cylinder sounds easy enough or are you doing a bunch of stuff.I might have an old master cylinder but would need to look to be sure.Would like to see your bike I dont see many of them.I have 2 bikes to work on and a Honda Civic so they keep me busy but I would help if I could.Ride it out,I will go get my 1100 (need to put the pick up coils back in) and we can go for a ride.
Quote from: Flying Scotsman on November 01, 2011, 12:04:10 AM
Im in Hillside but only temporary.Got my bikes up in palatine.What are you doing to your bike ?Clutch Master cylinder sounds easy enough or are you doing a bunch of stuff.I might have an old master cylinder but would need to look to be sure.Would like to see your bike I dont see many of them.I have 2 bikes to work on and a Honda Civic so they keep me busy but I would help if I could.Ride it out,I will go get my 1100 (need to put the pick up coils back in) and we can go for a ride.
Well, I'm just not that well-versed in Motorcycle mechanic work and want to learn. I know the valves need to be checked, as it's been about 9k miles since they were last checked. I can do the cylinder and valve cover gasket, but really, I want someone who knows an FJ to be able to give it a look/listen and tell me if it'll be fine for the next season.
Other than that, I'm thinking of breaking down the front end, cleaning up any little rust spots, etc, doing the brakes, and maybe even repainting a bit of the metal - handlebars-etc.. to bring it back to its full glory. I think the suspension is a little soft, but I don't know enough about FJ's.. maybe it's spot on. I wouldn't know. I just want to have it ready for a cross-country trip next season :)
yes the suspension is soft , it was soft the day it came off the line.
get some straight rate springs for the front and a penske shock for the rear.
also you can fool yourself by putting heavier oil in the forks ,like 20 wt.
Quote from: Pat Conlon on October 15, 2011, 05:38:47 PM
Hello Josh, welcome to the zoo! Those Silver/Red '84's hold a special place in my heart.
Yes, you can use any FJ year clutch m/c for your clutch. That does not mean that you should. You roll the dice when you buy someone's used m/c
Why not just rebuild what you have? Kit cost is $25 from Randy @ RPM. 1/2 hour later you have new m/c
http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=M%2FC%3AClutchrbkit (http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=M%2FC%3AClutchrbkit)
You might as well spend another $18 with Randy and rebuild your clutch slave while you're in there:
http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=Clutch%3AS%2FK&cat=39 (http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=Clutch%3AS%2FK&cat=39)
Keep an eye out for a MityVac for bleeding your brake and clutch lines. A very handy tool. (Pep Boys, Auto Zone, etc)
Replace your 27 year old soft rubber brake lines (right away) and wire tie the elbow on your petcock (asap): http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=3265.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=3265.0)
Zip on over to the intro section and tell us about yourself and what you would like to do to your bike.... and post some pictures of your bike.
Everyone here knows that the Silver and Red first FJ's are the most beautiful FJ's made (popcorn) Cheers! Pat
I too have a 1984 Red/Silver FJ1100 with a leaking clutch master cylinder. I am in the process of refreshing the fairing and taking care of a number of items, including rebuilding the master cylinder. Unfortunately, the Kit at Randy's is for a 1985. I purchased an identical one for a reasonable price from an eBay seller thinking it was correct. It is not. The guts are different and a close inspection of the exterior will reveal that it too is subtly different. I would rather not replace the master cylinder with a later model one, so I am seeking information about another supplier. [It is interesting that generally it is just the rubber bushings that actually wear out, but one must purchase the whole kit to get them.]
If anyone knows the whereabouts of a kit for a 1984, other than the $63.00 ones the OEM parts suppliers carry, I would be grateful for the information.
Hey Len, let me know if you don't find a rebuild kit. I have buried (somewhere) in my garage a clutch m/c off my '84 I can send you.(free)
Pat
Hi All,
Newbie to the list. Just bought a 1985 FJ1100 that has been in moth balls for 10 years. Many challenges are ahead, but one that is relevant to this thread; The Clutch Master cylinder is leaking and I'm looking for a rebuild kit. I'm only seeing the kit for the FJ1200...are they interchangeable? Any help is appreciated.
Scott
Hello there,
yeah mate, all the same.
No, 1100 cylinder internal components are different from the 1200 and they will not interchange.
Randy - RPM
Welcome Scott.
Good group here.
Dan
What are the differences? I've taken apart and re-assembled both the master cylinders and slave cylinders from my '85 and '87 and the parts looked the same. Are referring to the later model 1200's?
Marty
Quote from: racerrad8 on April 23, 2012, 10:06:56 AM
No, 1100 cylinder internal components are different from the 1200 and they will not interchange.
Randy - RPM
Yep, true enough. You live and learn. Thanks Randy.
Quote from: FJ1100mjk on April 23, 2012, 10:26:42 AM
What are the differences? I've taken apart and re-assembled both the master cylinders and slave cylinders from my '85 and '87 and the parts looked the same. Are referring to the later model 1200's?
Marty
The piston & piston seal is of different design. Some of the seals from the 1100 kit will work, but not the piston or the actuation seal.
Randy - RPM
Thank you for the info gents. Does anyone know where I can find a rebuild kit for the 85'?
Quote from: racerrad8 on April 23, 2012, 12:14:19 PM
Quote from: FJ1100mjk on April 23, 2012, 10:26:42 AM
What are the differences? I've taken apart and re-assembled both the master cylinders and slave cylinders from my '85 and '87 and the parts looked the same. Are referring to the later model 1200's?
Marty
The piston & piston seal is of different design. Some of the seals from the 1100 kit will work, but not the piston or the actuation seal.
Randy - RPM
Thank you Dan! It seems to be a knowledgeable group for sure.
Quote from: Dan Filetti on April 23, 2012, 10:21:21 AM
Welcome Scott.
Good group here.
Dan
At this point any dealer source.
Randy - RPM
Hi,
I'm in the same boat. I'm looking for a Clutch MC Rebuild for my '85 and I'm only finding those for the 86 and up FJ's. Did you have any luck?
Scott
Quote from: Len Redmond on January 31, 2012, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on October 15, 2011, 05:38:47 PM
Hello Josh, welcome to the zoo! Those Silver/Red '84's hold a special place in my heart.
Yes, you can use any FJ year clutch m/c for your clutch. That does not mean that you should. You roll the dice when you buy someone's used m/c
Why not just rebuild what you have? Kit cost is $25 from Randy @ RPM. 1/2 hour later you have new m/c
http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=M%2FC%3AClutchrbkit (http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=M%2FC%3AClutchrbkit)
You might as well spend another $18 with Randy and rebuild your clutch slave while you're in there:
http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=Clutch%3AS%2FK&cat=39 (http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=Clutch%3AS%2FK&cat=39)
Keep an eye out for a MityVac for bleeding your brake and clutch lines. A very handy tool. (Pep Boys, Auto Zone, etc)
Replace your 27 year old soft rubber brake lines (right away) and wire tie the elbow on your petcock (asap): http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=3265.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=3265.0)
Zip on over to the intro section and tell us about yourself and what you would like to do to your bike.... and post some pictures of your bike.
Everyone here knows that the Silver and Red first FJ's are the most beautiful FJ's made (popcorn) Cheers! Pat
I too have a 1984 Red/Silver FJ1100 with a leaking clutch master cylinder. I am in the process of refreshing the fairing and taking care of a number of items, including rebuilding the master cylinder. Unfortunately, the Kit at Randy's is for a 1985. I purchased an identical one for a reasonable price from an eBay seller thinking it was correct. It is not. The guts are different and a close inspection of the exterior will reveal that it too is subtly different. I would rather not replace the master cylinder with a later model one, so I am seeking information about another supplier. [It is interesting that generally it is just the rubber bushings that actually wear out, but one must purchase the whole kit to get them.]
If anyone knows the whereabouts of a kit for a 1984, other than the $63.00 ones the OEM parts suppliers carry, I would be grateful for the information.
I can tell you that I am working on putting the Yamaha rebuild kit in stock. I ordered several Yamaha items and since some of them were back ordered nothing has been shipped yet.
I hope to have at least one kit in my hand sometime in May.
Randy - RPM
There is an outfit in eastern Canada called Suiruis Consolidated. They have the clutch and brake master cyl. kits. They have adds on Ebay if you want to find them. They are in the motorcycle parts section.
You can probably find a used master from a later FJ, or from another bike on Ebay that will be cheaper than the rebuild kit.
In fact, there are probably a bunch of good used clutch master cylinder units that members here have replaced with 14mm m/c's and could/would sell to you cheaply.
I'm not certain, but you may have to tap the mirror mount hole on the later m/c's.
Arnie
Quote from: big r on April 23, 2012, 07:24:17 PM
There is an outfit in eastern Canada called Suiruis Consolidated. They have the clutch and brake master cyl. kits. They have adds on Ebay if you want to find them. They are in the motorcycle parts section.
Not for the 1100...
Randy - RPM
Are you sure http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=M%2FC%3AClutchrbkit (http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=M%2FC%3AClutchrbkit)
will repair the master clutch of a 1984 FJ1100?
The guy who runs the site said he never had FJ1100 kits in, but I guess he wouldnt know specifically.
If what you say about FJ's is true, wouldn't this kit fit a stock FJ1100 ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/YZF750-FZR1000-GTS1000-XVZ13-CLUTCH-MASTER-CYLINDER-KIT-/360434790137?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item53eb966ef9 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/YZF750-FZR1000-GTS1000-XVZ13-CLUTCH-MASTER-CYLINDER-KIT-/360434790137?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item53eb966ef9)
The listing shows that the '84/85 clutch m/c rebuild kit is still available for $52 from Powersports Plus:
http://www.powersportsplus.com/parts/search/Yamaha/Motorcycle/1984/FJ1100L/FRONT+MASTER+CYLINDER+2/parts.html (http://www.powersportsplus.com/parts/search/Yamaha/Motorcycle/1984/FJ1100L/FRONT+MASTER+CYLINDER+2/parts.html)
Enter "meetsister" is the discount code and get an additional 5% off...
Hope this helps...