Holly crap, this is scary.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/27/pickup-driver-tries-to-run-motorcyclist-off-the-road/#continued (http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/27/pickup-driver-tries-to-run-motorcyclist-off-the-road/#continued)
What's perhaps MORE scary is some of the comments after the fact... One idoit actually suggests sanding the corners!!
Road rage: Pickup truck vs. an R6, not good.
Dan
the riders are local to me and I know that road well.
The truck driver crossed the double yellow 26 times! I'm glad I have my concealed carry permit. The forty six 147 grain +P+ 9mm slugs I would of run up his stupid ass are not enough.
God Bless our second amendment rights.
Quote from: the fan on May 31, 2011, 06:28:17 PM
the riders are local to me and I know that road well.
Bill, I was thinking of you when I saw it was in Kentucky. Would be interesting to hear the outcome when the police arrived.
Harvy
It would...
The rider filming chickened out and left the scene before the cops could arrive. He decided there was too much risk of his buddy getting a ticket for the illegal pass. (I know both of the riders)
It is however easy to whine on the internet than to do whats right and possibly face up to your actions. The only reason law enforcement is involved at all is the fact that several locals who saw the video when first posted contacted local law enforcement on their own.
On the roads shown in the video the locals are getting very frustrated and it was just a matter of time before something like this happened. These roads have always been popular for riding but the latest crowd of riders have zero respect for the locals and ride way more aggressively than they should (consider the source for a moment...). Law enforcement can do very little to help the locals as the roads cross several county lines and by the time the officer can respond the riders are in the next county over. In the last 12 months there have been over 20 single bike accidents and 3 fatalities that I am aware of. There have also been over a dozen reported cases of cars being run off the road by oncoming motorcyclists.
If it were your neighborhood how would you feel?
Nothing justifies the actions of the truck driver, But I can understand his frustration.
Agreed. lived at mt nebo for a while and the locals there get the irrates with boy racers ripping through there all the time. i keep listening for the duelling banjoes.. the point where the rider says " we never crossed that yellow line".... how the hell did it all start then? i get annoyed with things like this.... the riders wernt saints and the pickup guy is a wanker.
Quote from: Kopfjaeger on May 31, 2011, 08:18:14 PM
the riders wernt saints and the pickup guy is a wanker.
Sums it up nicely Neil!
Harvy
I was waiting for the guy filming to make a pass and the pick up to go off the road trying to stop him.
Quote from: Flying Scotsman on May 31, 2011, 09:19:06 PM
I was waiting for the guy filming to make a pass and the pick up to go off the road trying to stop him.
I was waiting for the quad to come out of the truck... :shok:
Randy T
Indy
Quote from: Flying Scotsman on May 31, 2011, 09:19:06 PM
I was waiting for the guy filming to make a pass and the pick up to go off the road trying to stop him.
The flame thrower was pointing the wrong way...Note to self, modify flame thrower to have switch for "Ass in the front" and "Ass hat in the rear".... Now the "Easy" button seems to work properly...
Some break-in oil, until I switch back to Amsoil 10W-40.
i used to ride that route every sunday. i stopped more because of the idiots that were showing up on two wheels, rather than the idiots we were encountering on 4. but after i stopped, i heard of the locals becoming more and more frustrated at the motorcyclists running through that route. seems i recall one of the guys i used to ride with got stopped by a local with a baseball bat or something of the sort. i just don't need that shite. but again, i left because i didn't trust the guys that were showing up to ride that route...
Quote from: mst3kguy on June 01, 2011, 11:49:10 AM
i used to ride that route every sunday. i stopped more because of the idiots that were showing up on two wheels, rather than the idiots we were encountering on 4. but after i stopped, i heard of the locals becoming more and more frustrated at the motorcyclists running through that route. seems i recall one of the guys i used to ride with got stopped by a local with a baseball bat or something of the sort. i just don't need that shite. but again, i left because i didn't trust the guys that were showing up to ride that route...
Was that KY 11? Some of the localriders crew?
Randy T
Indy
A bunch of folks were talking about this very topic over on ADV forums; http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=691265 (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=691265)
Quote from: rktmanfj on June 01, 2011, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: mst3kguy on June 01, 2011, 11:49:10 AM
i used to ride that route every sunday. i stopped more because of the idiots that were showing up on two wheels, rather than the idiots we were encountering on 4. but after i stopped, i heard of the locals becoming more and more frustrated at the motorcyclists running through that route. seems i recall one of the guys i used to ride with got stopped by a local with a baseball bat or something of the sort. i just don't need that shite. but again, i left because i didn't trust the guys that were showing up to ride that route...
Was that KY 11? Some of the localriders crew?
Randy T
Indy
KY 22 and not localriders. Very few of the old LR regulars do group rides these days. 11 is not far from there (about 15 miles) and runs from Maysville KY to Barboursville KY. I just rode a large part of 11 over the weekend while riding around the red river gorge area. I hit 22 as well but only as a fun connector early on a Saturday morning.
Quote from: simi_ed on June 01, 2011, 02:38:32 AM
Some break-in oil, until I switch back to Amsoil 10W-40.
Posted in wrong spot Ed? :wacko1:
Quote from: FJmonkey on June 01, 2011, 06:27:33 PM
Quote from: simi_ed on June 01, 2011, 02:38:32 AM
Some break-in oil, until I switch back to Amsoil 10W-40.
Posted in wrong spot Ed? :wacko1:
Nah, Ed just likes to say "Amsoil 10w40" as much as possible... :boredom:
Randy T
Indy
Take a look at some of the videos of the rallys. How many times were the double yellow lines crossed (NO passing zones). And its on video. These actions are a contributing factor to how the general population views motorcycles. When you say "WOW" there is plenty to go around. Road rage takes two.....
Quote from: movenon on June 05, 2011, 11:10:45 PM
Take a look at some of the videos of the rallys. How many times were the double yellow lines crossed (NO passing zones). And its on video. These actions are a contributing factor to how the general population views motorcycles. When you say "WOW" there is plenty to go around. Road rage takes two.....
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Quote from: movenon on June 05, 2011, 11:10:45 PM
Take a look at some of the videos of the rallys. How many times were the double yellow lines crossed (NO passing zones). And its on video. These actions are a contributing factor to how the general population views motorcycles. When you say "WOW" there is plenty to go around. Road rage takes two.....
For god sakes... We agree on this. There are no innocents here, on the forum, or in this video. Regarding the video posted: one broke a law and risked his own life -not smart, and will eventually get him killed, in my opinion. His actions touched off the situation. The 'WOW' comment was because the pickup truck driver was TRYING to run the bike off the road. Not sure where you hail from, but that's +/- attempted homicide round these parts. Had he been successful, it would have been vehicular homicide. It's a grossly inappropriate reaction to a smaller offense. If you J-walk, am I allowed to TRY and run you over? No.
Specific to the videos of the rallies, I simply have not looked at them, Leon goes on and on about me 'not criticizing the double line crossing indiscretions in those videos' (this is mostly because I was careless enough to criticize him when he posted an embed video of himself crossing the double yellow -he feels I have singled him out, and I believe he's still stewing on this -for whatever reason.) You comments are shockingly close to his. I can tell you that had I watched the videos of the rallies and seen it, I have no doubt that I would have called out those knuckleheads as well.
The issue is a personal one for me. A buddy of mine died doing this, so it makes me cringe when I see it.
Dan
Where is the 'dead horse' emotocon?
Quote from: Dan Filetti on June 06, 2011, 10:26:52 AMone broke a law and risked his own life -not smart, and will eventually get him killed, in my opinion. His actions touched off the situation. The 'WOW' comment was because the pickup truck driver was TRYING to run the bike off the road. Not sure where you hail from, but that's +/- attempted homicide round these parts. Had he been successful, it would have been vehicular homicide. It's a grossly inappropriate reaction to a smaller offense.
The motorcyclist deserves a ticket, The truck driver belongs in jail.
There is a huge difference between crossing the double yellow line on a country road & trying to kill a man because you don't agree with what he does.
I'm sorry for your loss Dan
good ole 22, even if the bike was in the right you gotta watch out for the locals on four wheelers, half made boggers, dirt bikes, and go karts around the stretch of road in the beginning, id call them yocals, or rednecks, but i was born and raised about 45 minutes from there, plus it would be totally hipocritical, i was a young 12-17 year old kid running around on 17 with all my motorized vehicle's with out a license.
p.s.- once you get past piner on 17 its a pretty beautiful ride.
Gary Hudson (the truck driver) was charged with 2 counts of reckless endangering. The rider was not charged with passing in a no passing zone. It turns out that it is legal to pass a slower vehicle in a double yellow zone in the state of Kentucky. I've lived in KY for 23 years and I have always wanted to know what the regulations are on this.
So, to sum things up... The motorcyclist passed the truck legally, and the truck driver attempted to run the motorcyclist off the road, and then threatened the rider with a weapon when both vehicles stopped, resulting in 2 counts of recless endangering.
I'm getting a video camera.
good :good2:
it all worked out then.
the double yellow Kentucky crossing deal is probably a farm vehicle thing that a lot of states have.
Quote from: JCainFJ on June 11, 2011, 02:09:49 PM
I'm getting a video camera.
Tiger Direct has a decent one on sale this month... not bad for $60
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=6694102&sku=J300-1252 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=6694102&sku=J300-1252)
Randy T
Indy
I'm as guilty as the next at passing on a double yellow. There is always a risk, but when I choose to do so, it's no more dangerous than going into that blind right-hander and "assuming" there's no gravel or oncoming traffic in your lane.
Sometimes I believe I'm actually doing a favor for the driver in front of me. Too many times I see them driving way over their heads "just to show that jerk on the motorcycle back there that I'm as fast as he is."
They're typically going way faster on the straights than I want to go; unfortunately, they park it in every corner and I catch up. I try to be patient and usually it works when they turn off. But there are always those individuals that take it personally and seem to have something to prove.
This is bad when you're in a group since if you get by, the driver will take his frustration out on the following riders, not good.
Sadly, all this could be avoided very easily. If they would display a little courtesy, this interactions would be over in a few seconds. All they have to do is slow up slightly and let the motorcycle pass (insted of nailing it up to 100mph in the only passing section for 30 miles) and we would be gone from their lives forever. Yes, that's all it takes to get through this confrontation; unfortunately, it rarely goes that way. The activity gets dragged out because it's a personal affront to get passed, tempers flair, and stupid thing ensue.
Shame, it really doesn't need to happen that way.
DavidR.
Wow, just watched the video. I think the guy in the truck proves my point.
However, I also agree that there is plenty of blame to go around. For example, there were quite a few houses on that road. I don't agree with riding that fast on roads that populated. Plus, that sounded like a loud aftermarket exhaust on the camera bike. I discourage loud exhausts on my rides. We're out there shitting in these people's neighberhoods, so I try not to be too obnoxious.
Plenty of stupidity to spread around.
DavidR.
http://youtu.be/0fl-_dAKChc (http://youtu.be/0fl-_dAKChc)
link to a video that has had speed and "telemetry" synced up. He is going all that fast, but I agree the bike is a bit loud.
what county did this occur---grant? pendleton?
Pendleton / Bracken. The intersection where they stopped is in Bracken County.
That was sme neat video work. What's the actual speed limit on that road? Looked like the autos were doing 30 to 35. Quite a bit of residences, but that roads would probably have a 45 to 55 limit in Ark so they really weren't abusing it too badly.
Although I didn't wonder when he was going to pass the truck in the main video. :-)
Bike was too loud. I know it pisses me off when some squid lights up his exhaust in my ear when he blows past me on the highway.
DavidR.
Most is posted at 55. A few of old towns are marked at 35.
I grew up riding the roads in that area. Most of the time we played a game of "maintain" where you attempt to maintain the speed limit as closely as possible down these roads. Not as an average speed (easy even in the 80's) but as a constant speed, coasting the straights and railing the corners.
Here is an interesting article by one of the small local papers interviewing a local LEO...
http://maysville-online.com/news/local/article_09e422b2-9214-11e0-acb7-001cc4c03286.html?mode=story (http://maysville-online.com/news/local/article_09e422b2-9214-11e0-acb7-001cc4c03286.html?mode=story)
his arraignment is tomorrow at 9a. conditions on his bond, among other things, are no alcohol. yes, right now i'm forming a judgment, based on my previous life experiences. ( :
i'm half-tempted to attend, even tho it's only the arraignment...
preliminary hearing is 6/21/11.
Not hijacking, but here's a clip which shows why you shouldn't cross the solid line. This happened in Hungary not so long ago.
Not for the squeamish.
http://www.youtube.com/v/vAoeJUKg36g?version=3&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/v/vAoeJUKg36g?version=3&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded)