seems to handle the rough stuff pretty good.
Off-road Dave (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRRE4YOVFwo#ws)
holy fence post batman........target fixation will win every single time.... everyone has to remember to look thru the corner cause ya go where ya look!
KOokaloo! (after ya get the winter rust off of course)
That certainly has all the traits of target fixation.... if you look closely you can see that even under pretty hard braking all he had to do was lean it in. Virtually impossible when your brain locks in fear and you are staring at the wrong thing!!!
I think he had worse chances in that grass then he would have had braking hard and leaning it in- great training video to explain what target fixation is!
Lucky for him for sure!
Looks like the FJ is a high power mulcher as well. I watched my dad do something similar but he went into a shallow ditch and simply parked it. I accused him of target lock and he showed me where his center stand bit into the pavement causing a low side and under steer. Long time bike guy, I miss rides with him. We unbent a few things and off we went. He never dismounted, he picked his legs as he slid in and was laughing when I got to him.....
Some of you might know him. Its courtsdaddy on here. I took the video, and couldn't understand what he was thinking. It shows you how things get out of hand in a hurry. My worst fear was him going into the fence. I don't know how he made it through it, but i am glad he hung on. BTW, this was taken in Hocking Hills Ohio. We go there twice a year and the roads, turns, and scenery are amazing.
Well!!!!!!!!!!! all I can say is I FUCKED UP and got away with it. I dont know what I was thinking of but it sure the hell was not turning lol
Haha nicely done..... just shows you've always gotta be on the ball on a bike.
Could have come out a lot worse. Good thing you didn't
As F-ups go, that was an excellent one. No damage to you or the bike. Except for maybe having to clean out your shorts! Glad you pulled that out, nice recovery. :good2:
Dan
Great Save,
Out here, there are usually drainage ditches to fall into. Or the barb wire is just a foot or 2 off of the road. (at least it looks that close).
Just a quick question, where are your gloves and boots? White sneakers don't protect the feet so good and once you fall down with out gloves on nice coarse, dirty asphalt, you never will ride without them again. (First hand experience, excuse the pun)
Take care and be safe,
CraigO
90FJ1200
Probably don't need this, but the posture in the first curve is all wrong. The curve is to the left and you're upper body is leaning to the right.
I don't want to pile on, but perhaps you need to consider a riding class or two?
And GET DECENT GEAR! That's helmet, jacket, pants, boots and gloves. I noticed bare hands and arms on the filmer. It only takes a slow speed fall to convince you that it's money well spent. We all think we're bulletproof to some extent, don't wait till it's too late.
I normally don't rant like this, but I've seen too much stupidity lately (locally). When people show up under dressed at our local riding group, they are sent away.
DavidR.
Remind me not to go riding with your group, David. No offense intended, but it should really be up to the individual rider what sort of gear he wears or doesn't wear. This is supposed to be America, after all.
I disagree. I was there for the Klavdy/pinecone incident, along with about 4-6 others. We all pretty much felt responsible for Klavdy's well-being, and ended up spending several hours making sure K-man got back to civilization in 1 piece. If he had been riding in sneakers and short sleeves, we would have a had a real medical emergency on our hands. I feel like David, better be dressed to ride, or go home.
JMHO,
I'm guessing there are piles of unused spare gear owned by members, and they would gladly give it to someone who would use it. Lead by example. It's beyond my comprehension why anyone would argue about needing to wear a helmet or other gear. Except the cruisers, whom travel at so leisurely a pace that I agree they only need a do-rag to keep their balding pate from being sunburned.
Quote from: simi_ed on April 30, 2011, 06:24:03 PM
I disagree. I was there for the Klavdy/pinecone incident, along with about 4-6 others. We all pretty much felt responsible for Klavdy's well-being, and ended up spending several hours making sure K-man got back to civilization in 1 piece. If he had been riding in sneakers and short sleeves, we would have a had a real medical emergency on our hands. I feel like David, better be dressed to ride, or go home.
JMHO,
+1 one that, I saw K-Man and his gear after the slide. His bike slid 200+ feet and hit the hill hard enough to seriously bend up the front beyond limping home. K-Man literally walked away with only soft tissue injuries. All The Gear All The Time (ATGATT) for me.
Quote from: carsick on April 30, 2011, 07:04:42 PM
I'm guessing there are piles of unused spare gear owned by members, and they would gladly give it to someone who would use it. Lead by example. It's beyond my comprehension why anyone would argue about needing to wear a helmet or other gear. Except the cruisers, whom travel at so leisurely a pace that I agree they only need a do-rag to keep their balding pate from being sunburned.
I already gave my leather pants away for the cost of shipping last year. My jacket may be up for donation (quite worn and down once), I just got a new textile one that is better suited to the warmer temps here in SoCal...I still have a pair of size 12 Roadman boots (brown) as well. No retail value so pay the shipping and get almost free gear.
Quote from: FJmonkey on April 30, 2011, 07:06:43 PM
+1 one that, I saw K-Man and his gear after the slide. His bike slid 200+ feet and hit the hill hard enough to seriously bend up the front beyond limping home. K-Man literally walked away with only soft tissue injuries.
Just to clarify: Klavdy did have 2 cracked ribs and a broken finger. Yes, without the gear it would have been MUCH worse - skin grafts for sure - probably more cracked bones as well.
I'm still guilty of taking a ride in just jeans (but with everything else) from time to time. I know I shouldn't - but I still do sometimes... :dash1: We all do stupid things that we know we shouldn't from time to time...some more than others.
All this talk about gear sounds great, but I may never show up at a rally due to the lack of gear.
I'm good with the helmet, jacket, and gloves, but not so much on specific pants or boots.
Give me time, and I may get there, but you guys are a tough crowd.
I agree that wearing safety gear is most certainly a good idea. Many lives could probably be saved if all automobile occupants wore full face helmets, and I'm sure that there are people out there who would fully support a law mandating the use of helmets in cars. Such laws are an affront to liberty. Different people draw the line between prudent safety measures and overdoing it in different places. I take personal freedom very seriously and it bothers me when people seek to mandate how safely others must behave. I think that a man should be free to live as safely or unsafely as he wants.
Look at the famous old picture of Rollie Free blasting down the salt on at 150mph on his Vincent, wearing only a bathing suit. If that were today, a lot of people, motorcyclists included, would like to see him deprived of his right to do that. But back then, it seems that most people didn't find the ideas of personal freedom and responsibility quite as offensive as they do today. Now Mr. Free is the first man to go 150mph on a bike and it's probably the most famous photo in the history of motorcycling. He's a legend among men. It was unsafe as hell and he certainly would have been shredded into bloody hamburger if he fell off, but it was his choice, goddammit.
This religion of ATGATT always creates a division in motorcycling. The guys who are happy to ride their bikes in street clothes and maybe a helmet generally don't hassle the ATG guys for wearing all the gear, and I wish that the same courtesy was paid vice-versa. There's a certain amount of danger inherent in riding a motorcycle and I think that that's what attracts a lot of people to riding in the first place. I know that they risk appeals to me. If I wanted to be safe, I'd ride a car...with a full face helmet on.
1tinindian nailed it. There's a lot of motorcycling events and clubs that I'd otherwise be very interested in (like FJ rallies) that I stay away from because I don't feel like being hassled for not wearing every bit of safety gear.
I'm a grownup, I'm an American, I understand the risks associated with motorcycling and I whole-heartedly accept them. Just let me make up my own mind and respect my decisions regarding MY OWN safety.
There's nothing wrong with making someone aware of the benefits of proper safety gear, but most of the time it degenerates into self-righteous preaching pretty quickly.
Very well argued. I just noticed how apt your tagline quote is regarding the current topic. Rallies are about acceptance, no fun if everyone is exactly the same. I think I was a bit overgeared at the inaugural Northeast Rally, however I'm a poor rider, so it's compensation for the inevitable fact that I'm going down at some point. The self righteous are usually headed for a fall... :shok:
Whenever I see "ATGATT" it always reminds me of "ATGANFI"
Wear whatever you want to wear,it's your choice.
Mind you,I wont buy into the helmet laws stuff, that shits me.(Mandatory in Aus)
I've ridden without a helmet and I have no idea why anyone would want to do that all the time.
Noise, bugs, rocks, sun & windburn etc but I'd still like to have the choice.
My choice.
Same as I choose to wear good quality riding gear.
It's saved me from greater harm a few times.
Fluoro fucktards shit me too.
So do people who reckon that it's inevitable that you are going to crash, "You'll have to learn how to lay 'er down, Bro"
Another thing that shits me is waving.
Fuck off with your waving, just coz you're on a bike doesn't mean we are mates, that whole 'Brotherhood of The Road" schtick appalls me.
I do wave sometimes, or nod(we mostly nod in Aus, driving on the left and all)and I'll talk to folks on other bikes at stops and stuff but the freaks who get all pissy because someone didn't wave to them?
C'mon, gimme a break, we're not in the special Olympics,,,
Quote from: TheRadBaron on April 30, 2011, 11:13:35 PM
There's a lot of motorcycling events and clubs that I'd otherwise be very interested in (like FJ rallies) that I stay away from because I don't feel like being hassled for not wearing every bit of safety gear.
I'm a grownup, I'm an American, I understand the risks associated with motorcycling and I whole-heartedly accept them. Just let me make up my own mind and respect my decisions regarding MY OWN safety.
There's nothing wrong with making someone aware of the benefits of proper safety gear, but most of the time it degenerates into self-righteous preaching pretty quickly.
I agree with your overall point...but let me call WHOA!!!! on the the FJ Rally shit you are spewing. Have you ever been to one? No. Then you have no idea what you are talking about. I actually wore blue jeans and Doc Martens for my first two West Coast Rallies...many others wore blue jeans as well. Many still do at FJ rallies both east and west. Most make up their own minds and save up $ and come with better gear as time goes on (we know it is expensive). But you can wear what you want....we don't collectively judge you based on your gear. We have all seen many crashes...I personally have seen two different crashes on different years at a WCR from the same attendee who wore NO actual MC gear at all (except for a helmet). Well...he fucked himself up physically so bad during the last crash he still hasn't been back to a rally...and his last crash was in 2006...
wear what ya want, it's your ass.
Seems most folk change up into serious road riding gear as they get more into riding.
Not mainly through peer pressure, no, they work out that decent gear rocks.
This would be a good point for me to mention my lovely Arai lid. Gosh it's really super and although expensive, well worth every cent spent. Yes great gear is good and it so adds to your biking experience. Proper boots so laces don't loop over controls and prevent that all important foot deploy at stop signs. Gloves with knuckle protection helping you dish it out to that a-hole who just pulled out in front of you. And leather jackets and pants to make you feel and look like the rebellious sex charged rock god you are.
f**k yeah
Quote from: TheRadBaron on April 30, 2011, 11:13:35 PM
There's a lot of motorcycling events and clubs that I'd otherwise be very interested in (like FJ rallies) that I stay away from because I don't feel like being hassled for not wearing every bit of safety gear.
None of that happened at the North East Rally, so you can't use that as an excuse. Show up with a helmet and no one will judge you.
Quote from: carsick on May 01, 2011, 12:07:39 AM
I think I was a bit overgeared at the inaugural Northeast Rally, however I'm a poor rider, so it's compensation for the inevitable fact that I'm going down at some point.
:sarcastic: Says the guy who couldn't keep it under 145mph.
We all know the better you can ride the less gear you need.
crazy bike in lebanon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7aJFsyB6I4#)
I have to say, attending a Rally this summer is very high on my bucket list, because in a way, it justifies the whole reason for having an FJ.
But I would like to think my presence at a Rally would center more around the fact that I actually made it there, instead of what gear I DID NOT have.
I agree with Klavdy about the helmet laws, as Iowa is a state that allows a choice, and I'm thankful for that, and I sometimes do ride without a helmet while putting around town on the old Triumph, but when I hit the highways, the helmet is part of the deal, and honestly, it's more for the comfort and protection from wind blast and debris.
I have eyes that water something terrible due to the wind, and with that come impaired vision, and that is something I just can't handle while on two wheels..
I have went down in the past, and was damn lucky to have had a helmet, leather jacket, and jungle boots on at the time.
I went over the handle bars and went off into a ditch and landed on my head, so I do realize the importance of the riding gear.
I'm most concerned about a proper riding shoe/boot, that provides adequate protection and still allow for ease of use concerning the foot controls.
My son and I have looked at some boots, and the seem very confining.
Any advice on foot wear?
Leon
Foot wear?
Yeah, get some dedicated motorcycle boots.
Don't get race boots,they can be pretty stiff, get some touring style boots.
I have a pair of Oxtar/TCX Infinity boots that are comfortable enough to wear on the plane from Australia to the U.S.
TCX Infinity GTX Boots Review at RevZilla.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAcP-Ff6fhU#ws)
Don't cock about with lace up workboots,get some good touring boots.
You shouldn't need to spend a fortune, a decent pair of boots can be had for under $200 and you'll wonder why you didn't get some earlier.
Have a look HERE. (http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-boots/)
Quote from: Klavdy on May 01, 2011, 08:31:36 AM
Foot wear?
Yeah, get some dedicated motorcycle boots.
Don't get race boots,they can be pretty stiff, get some touring style boots.
I have a pair of Oxtar/TCX Infinity boots that are comfortable enough to wear on the plane from Australia to the U.S.
TCX Infinity GTX Boots Review at RevZilla.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAcP-Ff6fhU#ws)
Don't cock about with lace up workboots,get some good touring boots.
You shouldn't need to spend a fortune, a decent pair of boots can be had for under $200 and you'll wonder why you didn't get some earlier.
Have a look HERE. (http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-boots/)
Thanks for the help, I'll definately take a look!
Leon
I have a set of Icon Tarmac boots that are very comfortable, even as street shoes. Cost about $125 and work great at protecting the ankles and feet. Here is the link and a pic:
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/1/36/19313/ITEM/Icon-Tarmac-Ventilated-Boots.aspx?WT.ac=SLIsearch (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/1/36/19313/ITEM/Icon-Tarmac-Ventilated-Boots.aspx?WT.ac=SLIsearch)
(http://images.motorcycle-superstore.com/ProductImages/300/2009-Icon-Tarmac-Ventilated-Boots.jpg)
So proper footwear need not be expensive. I have a Tour Master mesh jacket and some Joe Rocket gloves that I always wear, regardless of temp. And yes, sometimes they are too warm, but the alternative if I drop the bike is far worse than being a bit warm. I buy a new helmet every 2-3 years. Currently I have a Scorpion EXO-400. Very nice helmet. Breaths well and fits nice and tight.
As far as pants, I wear jeans. I have not had a set of leathers since the mid 80s. I know I should, but have never gotten around to it. Next house sale, maybe.
CraigO
90FJ1200
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I agree with your overall point...but let me call WHOA!!!! on the the FJ Rally shit you are spewing. Have you ever been to one? No. Then you have no idea what you are talking about. I actually wore blue jeans and Doc Martens for my first two West Coast Rallies...many others wore blue jeans as well. Many still do at FJ rallies both east and west. Most make up their own minds and save up $ and come with better gear as time goes on (we know it is expensive). But you can wear what you want....we don't collectively judge you based on your gear. We have all seen many crashes...I personally have seen two different crashes on different years at a WCR from the same attendee who wore NO actual MC gear at all (except for a helmet). Well...he fucked himself up physically so bad during the last crash he still hasn't been back to a rally...and his last crash was in 2006...
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You're right and I apologize. I get kind of worked up sometimes. I was making a generalization and I meant no offense to the FJ rally. From what you say, it sounds like a damn good time and I hope to make it to one.
Quote from: courtsdaddy on April 30, 2011, 12:44:46 AM
Well!!!!!!!!!!! all I can say is I FUCKED UP and got away with it. I dont know what I was thinking of but it sure the hell was not turning lol
These are the moments that will define you as a motorcyclist..... I did something very similar years ago on my first FJ (an 86). I was up in Yosemite looking at the trees and scenery and when I looked back too late I was at the edge of the marbles and headed straight at a "Ped Crossing" yellow diamond sign. Couldn't turn on the rocks and was so lucky to run wide of the sign... that near miss made me think more about everything that led up to it and the gear I was wearing at the time.
Nothing to be ashamed of at all courtsdaddy- all riders have moments. Great riders learn from them. This is a perfect opportunity for you to review that video and figure out how you got yourself there. Chances of it happening again are now considerably lower! So that's a congrats on learning as you go without the scabs to prove it!
I appreciate the debate that has followed- I too greatly value my freedom of choice. That said I have been off the bike enough to know that I would never take the chance of riding without gear- not just for my own protection but for my family who deserves that I think ahead for them.
Great thread!
Quote from: TheRadBaron on April 30, 2011, 05:46:55 PM
Remind me not to go riding with your group, David. No offense intended, but it should really be up to the individual rider what sort of gear he wears or doesn't wear. This is supposed to be America, after all.
Wow, spouting that crap, I'd swear you ride a Harley. "I guess I just don't get it." (No offense intended) :-)
It is America and I'm free to not ride with people that put their "freedom" above the responsibility to their fellow riders. Nothing worse than someone going down on a ride. If they are wearing decent gear, usually you can dust them and the bike off and continue on. Without gear, chances are the ride is over except for the trip to the emergency room.
DavidR.
No offense taken. While I ultimately may not agree with turning under-dressed riders away, I guess that I can see your point about lack of proper gear being potentially a real problem for other riders. And I also agree that it's your group's right to decide who they do and don't ride with.
And for the record, I do indeed also ride a Harley. It's a '47 U flathead that my dad restored when I was a baby. I love it and I ride it a lot, but I wouldn't be caught dead in a Harley shirt, I don't wear leather chaps, and I don't buy into any of that Harley "lifestyle" nonsense. I find myself embarrassed by the fact that I own a Harley a lot more often than I feel pride about it.
Different people have very different views about safety. I find it very frustrating to live in an extremely safety-conscious society. I like danger and risky behavior. Almost all of my favorite things to do involve a high probability of death. That's why I like them. I don't go out of my way to make something more dangerous than it need be, but I don't try too hard to make a dangerous activity safe, either. Safe, law-abiding behavior that's well within social norms does not make for interesting stories or an interesting life. Think Ernest Hemingway.
Quote from: axiom-r on May 01, 2011, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: courtsdaddy on April 30, 2011, 12:44:46 AM
Well!!!!!!!!!!! all I can say is I FUCKED UP and got away with it. I dont know what I was thinking of but it sure the hell was not turning lol
These are the moments that will define you as a motorcyclist..... I did something very similar years ago on my first FJ (an 86). I was up in Yosemite looking at the trees and scenery ... that near miss made me think more about everything that led up to it and the gear I was wearing at the time.
Nothing to be ashamed of at all courtsdaddy- all riders have moments. Great riders learn from them.
I appreciate the debate that has followed- I too greatly value my freedom of choice. That said I have been off the bike enough to know that I would never take the chance of riding without gear- not just for my own protection but for my family who deserves that I think ahead for them.
Great thread!
I too had an incident recently I`ll sharewith ya. I was riding in the "danger zone" recently (ie Very cautous, very slow - less than 50klm/hr- as I was within 2klms from home-- a known accident prone area statistically) - not to be confused with "on Song Zone" which can be ensane, especially if there`s a young "Rossi" trying to keep up with this delusional old wanker - but yes I wear the safety gear, blah blah blah......
Anyhow, a young female "P" plater pulled up on my left (Aussie road) at a T intersection and I grabbed a handful judicously. (popcorn) She looked straight at me and propped - so I let go the brake and she promptly drove straight out in front of me.
I ended up dropping the FJ to avoid her, she came back in tears and a witness helped me move the bike off the road.
I`ve got daughters the same age, I thought it was a great lesson for her, so it only cost her a couple of new plastic bits with no loss of license -cause no cops called.. -But I was actually real pissed off with my own performance (felt sure I could`ve missed her without having to drop it when I had virtually stopped, but had to turn the front to just miss her while suspension was bottomed.) So I later practised a few emergencey stoppers etc - as I accept the reality that people simply don`t see motorcyclists despite having a new HID headlight system.
But what I didn`t think of till recently pointed out by some reading, was that I should develop the habit (and now do) of flicking the high beam as part of my cautous ritual. Ya do learn from mistakes (That`s why I`m so knowlegeable :yes:)
IMO everyone is free to make a choice... I'm all for any and all personal freedoms......only trouble on group rides is that the individual's choice can have a HUGE effect on the rest of the group.
if you choose to ride with me without proper gear then you might just be on your own if you crash.... well..... i will call the emt's for ya when i get to the next intersection.
Its not anything to do with me judging a person.... more like me just wanting to ride instead of sitting in an emergency room.
KOokaloo! (but a man's gotta know his limitations- read humpty dumpty)
Quote from: Travis398 on April 29, 2011, 04:36:29 PM
seems to handle the rough stuff pretty good.
Off-road Dave (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRRE4YOVFwo#ws)
BTW, Nice video. What did you use to take this vid? How did you mount your camera?
Thanks,
CraigO
90FJ1200
Wow!! all this from my video cool! The video was from a Contour Hd Cam my buddy had mounted to his helmet. On a normal basis I wear helmet gloves and a jacket, just because I dont wear the pants and boots doenst mean I think I wont go down or get hurt! I just choose to not wear all that gear, I forgot my gloves at home that is why they are not on in the video. I truley think it is/should be the riders choice of what they ride and what they wear to ride as long as you atleast wear a helmet. This was my 2nd year on a bike and a very good learning session for me, I slowed way down the rest of the summer because I was just not ready to go at the pace I was trying too. My first bike was a gs500 and then I got the FJ so I was a little throttle happy with all the power and never learned how to handle it. Anyways enjoy the video and I hope everyone (with/without) full gear has a safe riding season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just to echo the sentiment of others. Wear whatever you want. You can drive your car without auto-insurance too, I don't care. It makes no difference to me, but if you are dressed irresponsibly or even recklessly (no helmet, t-shirt, flip flops etc.) while you ride, you have only your self to blame when preventable sh!t goes down. I would likely not ride with someone who decided to dress like this, for the reasons stated. That, is 100% my choice.
Be an ass/ squid if you like, just don't expect responsible people to tolerate this and ride with you.
Dan
Quote from: The General on May 01, 2011, 06:49:54 PM
But what I didn`t think of till recently pointed out by some reading, was that I should develop the habit (and now do) of flicking the high beam as part of my cautous ritual. Ya do learn from mistakes (That`s why I`m so knowlegeable :yes:)
I've read several accounts where this action is discouraged. Flicking the high beam can be interpreted by the other driver as giving them the "go ahead."
Many distracted drivers pull out in front of a motorcycle because they are not concentrating on their driving and only using a fraction of their brain. In this kind of distracted auto-pilot state, they are only looking for other cars. Many riders report that "they saw me and then proceeded to pull right out in front of me." The driver really did see the motorcycle, but their distracted brain was only looking for cars. Since a motorcycle is not a car, their brain told them to go ahead.
I've experienced this same thing. Someone knocked out my passenger side mirror one day. I was driving down the road and went to change lanes to the right. I was distracted thinking about work and glanced at my passenger side mirror (which was not there) to check for cars. I didn't see any cars, so I started to pull over. I suddenly snapped out of my coma when I realized that I didn't see anything! My brain was only looking for cars and when it didn't see any it told me it was okay to pull over. Very enlightening moment for me.
DavidR.
I'll get my opinion in here, riding is suppose to be fun and it's no fun to ride around in 90° weather wearing full leather and sweating like a hog. I prefer to wear shorts, jeans and a tee shirt. I always wear a helmet, never wear flipflops, always tuck my laces in on my hiking shoes. I know what your thinking, I will wish I was wearing leather if I ever go down and slide across the pavement but hopefully that will only occur .001% of the time so why be uncomfortable the other 99.999% of the time? Did I mention I ride responsibly, defensively and always within my ability (not saying the rest of you don't).
Now, as for this "I won't ride with a jackwagon that don't dress the way I tell him to or think he should" is exactly why I'm not a team player. Riding alone has it's rewards. (popcorn)
Quote from: SkyFive on May 04, 2011, 11:39:48 PM
I'll get my opinion in here, riding is suppose to be fun and it's no fun to ride around in 90° weather wearing full leather and sweating like a hog. I prefer to wear shorts, jeans and a tee shirt. I always wear a helmet, never wear flipflops, always tuck my laces in on my hiking shoes. I know what your thinking, I will wish I was wearing leather if I ever go down and slide across the pavement but hopefully that will only occur .001% of the time so why be uncomfortable the other 99.999% of the time? Did I mention I ride responsibly, defensively and always within my ability (not saying the rest of you don't).
Now, as for this "I won't ride with a jackwagon that don't dress the way I tell him to or think he should" is exactly why I'm not a team player. Riding alone has it's rewards. (popcorn)
Okay, (munch) okay, I`ll put in my 2 bits worth. I don`t disagree with you entireley.
Most Bike riders value independence, or freedom if you will and so tend not to be team players, yet obviously tribal in most cases wether they admit it or not.
Living in a beach suburb a number of my mates succumb to the temptation of limited apparel and I accept that - though with some friendly concern.
But I have had the occasion where I was concerned for a new guy trailing me as i would hate to see him run off the road thru trying to keep up with some more experienced riders. The result was, that concern for him limited the fun (My fun) that may have been on offer with a certain (say) Ducati up front. - Similarly if an unknown (great or okay rider) was behind or in front with apparel that could be interpreted as "inexperience" or "Risky for him" - then my lost in space "Danger" "Danger" flag would be subconscously up, (more so, if our bikes were all similar) - and so the enjoyment of my ride may be limited. If I had put a lot of planning into such a ride, or expense, time etc, I would be totally fucking pissed off and wonder How I came to be with such ignorant arrogance. :dash2: Doug
Yeah, fuck 'em, wear whatever the hell you want to wear,
(http://img155.exs.cx/img155/3308/ninjabutt21su.jpg)
Remember, chicks dig scars,,,
(http://zach-smith.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/663513road_rash1.jpg)
You know they do ,
(http://unclegeorge.name/images/roadrash06.jpg)
Well, most do,
(http://www.bicycle.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/matthew-clark.jpg)
apart from the lesbians,
(http://www.negativelight.net/images/random/gear/2.jpg)
They dig Chicks with scars,,,
Is it just me ? and I'm not bagging anyone here, but just curious... when did "freedom" overrule or misplace "common sense"? Wear what you want but from coming off a few times and losing lots of skin, nahhh... give us me jacket and gear anyday. I like being a "basic colourless jap bike rider".... so no window licking safety vests neither... :good2:
"Common sense" is a very subjective term and really has no bearing on freedom. Common sense means very different things to different people. Still, it's interesting that you bring the common sense vs. freedom point up since that very argument is regularly used by legislators to deprive us of our freedoms.
Besides, having the freedom to choose what you do or don't wear while riding doesn't mean that you have to go without gear either. I'm warming up to the idea of proper riding gear as time goes on. I'm up to a FF helmet and good jacket now (always with heavy canvas pants and work boots), and I just bought a pair of warm-weather gloves. Still, I'll fight tooth and nail against anything that tries to mandate that I wear my gear.
I'm a Marine veteran. I enlisted because the idea of "fighting for freedom" was (and still is) very romantic for me. However, I found it ironic that I had almost zero freedom while I was fighting for it. So I served honorably, but then got the hell out. Back to being a civilian, I find that America is no longer the land of the free or the home of the brave. Politicians are slowly, and sometimes not-so-slowly, but very surely chipping away at all our freedoms, while the general public CHEERS THEM ON. I take the idea of freedom and liberty pretty seriously. The thing that shocks me is that most people really don't seem to at all. Freedom is not necessarily a safe and feel-good thing all the time, but it was Benjamin Franklin that said "Those that would give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety".
To my way of thinking, every liberty is an essential liberty. If you let one liberty be taken away, what's to stop more from being taken?
Quote from: TheRadBaron on May 05, 2011, 04:53:28 PM
To my way of thinking, every liberty is an essential liberty. If you let one liberty be taken away, what's to stop more from being taken?
AMEN!
I've been down and i know exactly what it feels like and what it does to you....i made a decision (yes all by myself) to buy the best/safest riding gear i could and to ride with all the gear all the time ..... even if i'm just going a few miles.
Pain IS real! :good2:
KOokaloo!
Quote from: racerman_27410 on May 05, 2011, 05:48:29 PM
Quote from: TheRadBaron on May 05, 2011, 04:53:28 PM
To my way of thinking, every liberty is an essential liberty. If you let one liberty be taken away, what's to stop more from being taken?
AMEN!
I've been down and i know exactly what it feels like and what it does to you....i made a decision (yes all by myself) to buy the best/safest riding gear i could and to ride with all the gear all the time ..... even if i'm just going a few miles.
Pain IS real! :good2:
KOokaloo!
+1 And you don't have to be going real fast to get REAL HURT. D.A.M.H.I.K. :dash2:
I am to a point if I am going someplace with in 10Min. I tale the car (it's quicker)
I buy and use gear with a Murphy's Law point of view.
"The more I spend on it, the less likely I am to use it (hopefully!)."
Same reason for a CHL, better to have it and not need it than the other way around.
DavidR.
As much energy as I've been spending railing against mandatory safety gear, I'm actually not at all against using it. I will admit that I did a lot of riding without a helmet or any other type of safety gear other than jeans and work boots for a lot of years. It has nothing to do with "image", I just enjoyed riding more that way. I went down a few times and beat myself up pretty good a few times, and as it's been said on this thread, as you progress as a rider, proper gear becomes more attractive.
Now that I'm accustomed to riding in a good FF helmet and proper riding jacket, I really like them and wish that I would have made the switch sooner. Plus, knowing that I'm at least somewhat prepared for a crash, I've been slowly pushing the envelope of my riding past my comfort zone and challenging myself, and becoming a lot better rider. That being said, I still really enjoy the occasional high-speed ride in jeans and a t-shirt with no helmet. I understand that I'll probably die in the event of a crash, and I accept and even embrace that. The closer that you are to the edge, the better the view.
I like good gear, I wear it, and I would encourage others to wear it. I just just wouldn't nag or lecture them, or tell them that they had to whether they wanted to or not.
Quote from: TheRadBaron on May 05, 2011, 04:53:28 PM
"Common sense" is a very subjective term and really has no bearing on freedom. Common sense means very different things to different people. Still, it's interesting that you bring the common sense vs. freedom point up since that very argument is regularly used by legislators to deprive us of our freedoms.
No one is legislating any freedoms away from you. There is nothing wrong with choosing not to ride with someone you perceive not to have enough common sense to not hurt themselves and/or someone else. I'll say it again: If you dress like a squid, I'm not riding with you. Said another way, wear your gear or ride with someone else.
I have that choice, unless you want a law that forces me to ride with squids?
Just say no, to riding with squids.
Dan
Quote from: Dan Filetti on May 05, 2011, 08:56:16 PM
No one is legislating any freedoms away from you. There is nothing wrong with choosing not to ride with someone you perceive not to have enough common sense to not hurt themselves and/or someone else. I'll say it again: If you dress like a squid, I'm not riding with you. Said another way, wear your gear or ride with someone else.
I have that choice, unless you want a law that forces me to ride with squids?
Just say no, to riding with squids.
Dan
Helmet, gloves, jacket, Jeans....? Were is the Squid line? Not picking on you Dan, just hijacking your post. No offense intended. Until the last two years I rode with jeans as my best pants. I have leather now. I went down with jeans, low speed and the jeans took took all that was dealt to my legs. As a club, should we define proper gear and draw lines? The thread has been riddled with Left, Right and Center on this. I do not think that collectively as a club we are ready to draw and or hold a line. Having been down many times I will strongly offer my personal experience that good gear provides good protection. Better gear provides better protection. Great gear offers the best protection. The quality of gear is not directly related to the cost of the gear. Klavdy pointed out some good boots, he even wore them as footwear on the plane. My limited funds go to protecting my body first, the bike second. Think of protecting you first, the bike second, and looking great last. Getting really busted up in a crash with a cool T-Shirt and flip-flops will not look good after the fact. But as many have said. It is a personal choice.
Quote from: SlowOldGuy on May 05, 2011, 06:27:12 PM
I buy and use gear with a Murphy's Law point of view.
"The more I spend on it, the less likely I am to use it (hopefully!)."
Same reason for a CHL, better to have it and not need it than the other way around.
DavidR.
:good2:
Quote from: TheRadBaron on May 05, 2011, 07:58:52 PM
Plus, knowing that I'm at least somewhat prepared for a crash, I've been slowly pushing the envelope of my riding past my comfort zone and challenging myself, and becoming a lot better rider.
I can comment on the Superman Effect. I borrowed a friends full race leathers and rode home through the hills. I forgot the Monkey and went Ape!!!! I was bullet proof. Glad I survived, I was mostly past the "Young and Foolish" stage till that moment, I was a kid again with an JF at my beck and call....Full leathers no longer have that same effect...but man O' man, I loved that feeling. The older I get, the faster I was.......
Quote from: TheRadBaron on May 05, 2011, 07:58:52 PM
As much energy as I've been spending railing against mandatory safety gear, I'm actually not at all against using it. I will admit that I did a lot of riding without a helmet or any other type of safety gear other than jeans and work boots for a lot of years. It has nothing to do with "image", I just enjoyed riding more that way. I went down a few times and beat myself up pretty good a few times, and as it's been said on this thread, as you progress as a rider, proper gear becomes more attractive.
Now that I'm accustomed to riding in a good FF helmet and proper riding jacket, I really like them and wish that I would have made the switch sooner. Plus, knowing that I'm at least somewhat prepared for a crash, I've been slowly pushing the envelope of my riding past my comfort zone and challenging myself, and becoming a lot better rider. That being said, I still really enjoy the occasional high-speed ride in jeans and a t-shirt with no helmet. I understand that I'll probably die in the event of a crash, and I accept and even embrace that. The closer that you are to the edge, the better the view.
I like good gear, I wear it, and I would encourage others to wear it. I just just wouldn't nag or lecture them, or tell them that they had to whether they wanted to or not.
From what you have said here, it's as if I could have wrote the very same thing.
I rode for years with no more protection on than a light jacket over my every day clothes.
But since buying my FJ , and riding with my son, I have been more serious about what I wear while I ride, when I ride.
It's for my own safety and comfort, but I'm trying to set a good example for my son, and he has adapted very good riding gear habits, and I'm most proud of him for that.
He NEVER leaves without his helmet, jacket and gloves, but like I said, we are both still working on the footwear, but that too will come.
But on the issue of freedom of choice, I 100% believe that it's up to the individual and no one else. If properly educated on the dangers and risks involved in the hobby of motorcycling, then I think that should be enough.
After all, a licenced rider has had the training, so if he/she is operating within the letter of the law for that riders state, I don't see that it should be anyone else's concern how they are dressed for riding.
I am NOT anti-gear, more pro choice.
Live and let live.
I really don't have any concerns about showing up at a rally either, as I know everyone here just wants everyone to ride safe and not get hurt.
I just feel that we have some people here that think they need to be the safety officer where none is really needed.
Habits, (good or bad), are hard to change, for any of us, but if we are to make a good point to wear the right gear for riding, I think positive reinforcement is what is need here, instead of telling people they are a, (for the lack of a better word), fool, for not following the generally accepted way to gear up for a ride.
And saying you don't want to ride with someone based on how they are dressed just sounds stuck up to me.
I have seen both sides of the argument, and can see positives in both points of view, but for myself, I ride with as much gear as I have, and will continue to add to the collect as time/money permit, but at the same time, I like to know I have the freedom to take a short spin around the block, without having to prepare myself as if I were blasting off for a mission to the moon.
There, I shot my face off well enough on this subject, let the shit-grenades fly!
Leon
Quote from: 1tinindian on May 05, 2011, 09:38:42 PM
There, I shot my face off well enough on this subject, let the shit-grenades fly!
Leon
There is brave lad, knowing we have all been there and done that. Good on ya mate. My first jacket was a joke. It was leather....but quite thin, I thought I was covered properly....The fool I was.
Quote from: FJmonkey on May 05, 2011, 09:18:23 PM
Helmet, gloves, jacket, Jeans....? Were is the Squid line?
No offense taken.
It's subjective, but I know it when I see it. For instants, most of the knuckleheads that ride the bike I ride, dress and ride/ act like squids. It's as much attitude as manner of dress; little or no regard for safety, nor respect for the power and speed with witch the machine they ride, can get them in real trouble. I choose not to take part. No laws, no legislation. If more folks were to do that, (opt out of riding with idiots without enough sense to protect themselves) then I suspect there'd be fewer squids.
To your point, by virtue of the fact that I ride a sport bike, some would call me a squid. In the end, it is a continuum and generally, I think I fall right of center on the squid scale, in terms of the gear I wear, my riding style and the respect I have for the machine, and it's abilities. People to the right of me would likely call me a Squid, to the left, a pipe and slippers grandpa. Whatever.
I see nothing wrong with advocating for, even encouraging folks to be more safety conscious, and backing up that position with opting out of riding with idiots.
Quote from: Dan Filetti on May 05, 2011, 10:31:59 PM
I see nothing wrong with advocating for, even encouraging folks to be more safety conscious, and backing up that position with opting out of riding with idiots.
I am with you Dan, I will quote the safety side to as many that will listen, cuz my ass is much better off with the proper gear. I have been down with good gear more often than no gear and I am happy to tell the tale. The cost to fix the bike did not change. My last low side had me late for work, not off work. I may not refuse to ride with others without gear, but they are more likely to sprint off and leave the group. Or they may choose to just enjoy the ride and take less risks and chances of gravity defining moments.. Koookaloooo.
Quote from: 1tinindian on May 05, 2011, 09:38:42 PM
I just feel that we have some people here that think they need to be the safety officer where none is really needed.
<snip>
And saying you don't want to ride with someone based on how they are dressed just sounds stuck up to me.
Leon
Indirect jab at me. Fine. You can be a prick all you want, Leon. I'll sleep just fine tonight. But for the record, safety officers would say "don't do it" I have not said that. Not once. In fact, I've said the opposite, do it if you want, I'm just not going to take part. Go back and read my posts.
You are of course, welcome to ride with idiots -it's a free country.
Dan
What Dan said!
Stuck up has nothing to do with it. I'm free to ride with who I choose to. I just don't want to be there to see a bunch of road rash, or worse.
I got tired of being the safety nazi of my local group. One idiot was pissed that he hadn't gotten a knee down yet on his week old CBR1000RR. I deleted a rant about how stupid I thought he was acting. The next weekend he planted himself into the grill of an F-150. I felt far sorrier for the poor guy in the truck than the dickhead that was too stupid to ride within his limits.
Probably has nothing to do with safety gear, but I find that safe gear and safe riding are usually related.
DavidR.
Quote from: Dan Filetti on May 05, 2011, 10:58:47 PM
Quote from: 1tinindian on May 05, 2011, 09:38:42 PM
I just feel that we have some people here that think they need to be the safety officer where none is really needed.
<snip>
And saying you don't want to ride with someone based on how they are dressed just sounds stuck up to me.
Leon
Indirect jab at me. Fine. You can be a prick all you want, Leon. I'll sleep just fine tonight. But for the record, safety officers would say "don't do it" I have not said that. Not once. In fact, I've said the opposite, do it if you want, I'm just not going to take part. Go back and read my posts.
You are of course, welcome to ride with idiots -it's a free country.
Dan
I see, so now I'm a prick for speaking my mind, no different than you speaking yours?
Why don't you get off your high horse, buy an FJ, and stop trying so hard to look like the hero here. I'm not impressed!
You could go back and read my last post and see it as the positive message it was meant to be, but I doubt you are as interested in that, as you are in trying to figure out some "hidden" meaning to it.
As I said, I meant no disrespect I was just merely curious. TheRedBaron, Interesting view, I can understand where your coming from but in a different aspect,and as i have stated yes , wear what you want. I wear my safety gear, tho more often than not work pants boots and jacket FF helmet, 15 Min ride to work. Going out will be full gear ( need new Boots!!).. I started to wear jacket when i got my 750 on my P's, figured I'm taller, if I look the part the police wont bug me. Don't know if it worked I never got booked so.... But having come off a DT175 flat in 3rd with no brakes.. was wearing 3/4 pants and jeans over the top, rugby jersey and FF helmet and boots. Lost skin from fore arms palms of hands ribs and both knees and hips. I figure that its not a "safety officer" issue, we all would hate to see someone come off and really scrape 'em selves off clean of pink...and as we all have had an acco or two it seems..
Quote from: SlowOldGuy on May 05, 2011, 11:16:22 PM
I find that safe gear and safe riding are usually related.
..word
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Quote from: 1tinindian on May 06, 2011, 12:08:38 AM
You could go back and read my last post and see it as the positive message it was meant to be, but I doubt you are as interested in that, as you are in trying to figure out some "hidden" meaning to it.
Leon-
You are being intellectually dishonest if by the above you are denying that you were referencing my posts when you wrote:
Quote from: 1tinindian on May 05, 2011, 09:38:42 PM
I just feel that we have some people here that think they need to be the safety officer where none is really needed.
This is a point you've previously made, about me.
Likewise, it was a direct reference to my posts when you wrote.
Quote from: 1tinindian on May 05, 2011, 09:38:42 PM
And saying you don't want to ride with someone based on how they are dressed just sounds stuck up to me.
So you essentially called me a stuck-up safety officer, this is not a 'positive' message. Yes, that seems like a prick thing to post about someone you've never met.
Slept just fine by the way.
Dan
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Quote from: TRoy on May 06, 2011, 06:25:20 AM
Quote from: SlowOldGuy on May 05, 2011, 11:16:22 PM
I find that safe gear and safe riding are usually related.
..word
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:rofl: TRoy, you're the man.
Quote from: Travis398 on May 06, 2011, 07:20:43 AM
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Yup.
Quote from: TRoy on May 06, 2011, 06:25:20 AM
Quote from: SlowOldGuy on May 05, 2011, 11:16:22 PM
I find that safe gear and safe riding are usually related.
..word
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HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
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My new wallpaper... :biggrin: :good2:
Randy T
Indy
Quote from: Dan Filetti on May 05, 2011, 10:58:47 PM
You can be a prick all you want, Leon. I'll sleep just fine tonight. .
Dan
and "you" call me a cyber bully?
Quote from: Travis398 on May 06, 2011, 07:20:43 AM
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What kind of sicko are you? Leave that horse's dead ass alone, you pervert.
Quote from: 1tinindian on May 01, 2011, 08:10:27 AM
I'm most concerned about a proper riding shoe/boot, that provides adequate protection and still allow for ease of use concerning the foot controls.
My son and I have looked at some boots, and the seem very confining.
Any advice on foot wear?
get heavy leather boots that go up way past your ankle. you want something thick that both protects your ankle bones which protrude out nicely when you're skidding along the road, as well as something that prevents too much flexing. see troy's photo of me (the fj rally photo on page 5 of this thread i think) and look at my ankle. that's about half as far as it actually bent. i couldn't figure out the next days why it was so sore, until i got the pics a month or whatever later. my ankle got cranked pretty hard, but a) it would have left lots of skin on the road without full ankle coverage; and 2) i'm guessing it would have gotten cranked a lot more if i hadn't been wearing stiff boots.
i tend to think that if i'm wearing the gear, i push it harder than when i'm not wearing the gear (no, i don't wear the gear all the time). but don't believe in that theory, it'll bite you. it didn't bite me, tho it could have; i had my helmet visor up, because i didn't think i was pushing it that hard going around the corner. turns out i was, as i ran out of clearance. i was lucky i didn't grind my chin to the bone and more. ( :
I think we should get Irishluck involved in this. I am sure he would have something perfound to say!! :wacko2: :wacko1:
Quote from: tqmx1 on May 06, 2011, 08:34:16 PM
I think we should get Irishluck involved in this. I am sure he would have something perfound to say!! :wacko2: :wacko1:
Hummmm, a man with a paddle for simple stirring? Or a man with a shit grenade???? I know...I have been at this point and took my chances....
Quote from: FJmonkey on May 06, 2011, 09:18:51 PM
Quote from: tqmx1 on May 06, 2011, 08:34:16 PM
I think we should get Irishluck involved in this. I am sure he would have something perfound to say!! :wacko2: :wacko1:
Hummmm, a man with a paddle for simple stirring? Or a man with a shit grenade???? I know...I have been at this point and took my chances....
Carefull what you wish for - his ban expires in 1 day... :bomb:
Quote from: Marsh White on May 06, 2011, 09:41:23 PM
Quote from: FJmonkey on May 06, 2011, 09:18:51 PM
Quote from: tqmx1 on May 06, 2011, 08:34:16 PM
I think we should get Irishluck involved in this. I am sure he would have something perfound to say!! :wacko2: :wacko1:
Hummmm, a man with a paddle for simple stirring? Or a man with a shit grenade???? I know...I have been at this point and took my chances....
Carefull what you wish for - his ban expires in 1 day... :bomb:
Makes me wonder how hard he felt the spank!!! Some never return, others come back with a bent for vengeance and then get banned for life. It is life repeating it self? So, is it the gentile stirring paddle, or the explosive grenade again? Or lay in wait and snipe? He is not useless, he just needs to find where he is useful. As a Manager of others I try very hard to find where my people fit and fight to put them there. I had a guy that just did not fit and I was considering letting him go. I found him a spot in doing different work with a different supervisor and he is now a valued employee. I take responsibility in knowing that my job is fitting square pegs into square holes. I think some of us club members miss this opportunity to find similar matches. Are we really any different?
Sometimes we really need to just squash the bastard and remove them, I just like to put some real thought before I press the "Smite" button. Can we bring back the "Smite" option? Marsh?
Quote from: mst3kguy on May 06, 2011, 08:25:02 PM
i tend to think that if i'm wearing the gear, i push it harder than when i'm not wearing the gear (no, i don't wear the gear all the time). but don't believe in that theory, it'll bite you. it didn't bite me, tho it could have; i had my helmet visor up, because i didn't think i was pushing it that hard going around the corner. turns out i was, as i ran out of clearance. i was lucky i didn't grind my chin to the bone and more. ( :
i misspoke. not the visor, the chin bar on my helmet.
I suspected the east coast guys have bigger balls.
So this proves my theory?
(popcorn)
I'll post the news on Wikipedia!
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Travis, there's something wrong with your sig map, man...
Randy T
Indy
Quote from: rktmanfj on May 08, 2011, 08:12:33 AM
Travis, there's something wrong with your sig map, man...
Randy T
Indy
Nothing wrong, he's lived a shelterd life and never been anywhere.
Bob W
Quote from: weymouth399 on May 08, 2011, 08:37:30 AM
Nothing wrong, he's lived a shelterd life and never been anywhere.
Bob W
That seems to include where he is now. Or maybe he needs a bigger map if he is out of the country.
Quote from: SlowOldGuy on April 30, 2011, 03:42:58 PM
Probably don't need this, but the posture in the first curve is all wrong. The curve is to the left and you're upper body is leaning to the right.
I don't want to pile on, but perhaps you need to consider a riding class or two?
And GET DECENT GEAR! That's helmet, jacket, pants, boots and gloves. I noticed bare hands and arms on the filmer. It only takes a slow speed fall to convince you that it's money well spent. We all think we're bulletproof to some extent, don't wait till it's too late.
I normally don't rant like this, but I've seen too much stupidity lately (locally). When people show up under dressed at our local riding group, they are sent away.
DavidR.
My writing skills suck so most of the time I'm a lurker.I want to thank slowold guy for pointing out the riders posture as he enters the first turn. I've been doing the same thing, the turns are a lot more fun when I'm leaning the right way.
Bob
Quote from: bobmcc on June 15, 2011, 04:48:40 PM
My writing skills suck so most of the time I'm a lurker.I want to thank slow old guy for pointing out the riders posture as he enters the first turn. I've been doing the same thing, the turns are a lot more fun when I'm leaning the right way.
Bob
Your writing skills seem to be a lot better than some who post here a lot... keep posting. :good:
Randy T
Indy
Quote from: mst3kguy on May 06, 2011, 08:25:02 PM
Quote from: Travis398 on May 07, 2011, 09:19:00 PM
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get heavy leather boots that go up way past your ankle. you want something thick that both protects your ankle bones which protrude out nicely when you're skidding along the road, as well as something that prevents too much flexing. see troy's photo of me (the fj rally photo on page 5 of this thread i think) and look at my ankle. that's about half as far as it actually bent. i couldn't figure out the next days why it was so sore, until i got the pics a month or whatever later. my ankle got cranked pretty hard, but a) it would have left lots of skin on the road without full ankle coverage; and 2) i'm guessing it would have gotten cranked a lot more if i hadn't been wearing stiff boots.
i tend to think that if i'm wearing the gear, i push it harder than when i'm not wearing the gear (no, i don't wear the gear all the time). but don't believe in that theory, it'll bite you. it didn't bite me, tho it could have; i had my helmet visor up, because i didn't think i was pushing it that hard going around the corner. turns out i was, as i ran out of clearance. i was lucky i didn't grind my chin to the bone and more. ( :
Hey mst3kguy- First off let me say what an incredible slide that was captured in that photo- it is you? It reminded me instantly of the shot of Rubin Xaus sliding on the Supermotard.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/backburner/ruben-xaus.jpg)
From the first look I thought shiiiiiiit that guy does have balls of steel! But who ever tagged the shot with "Big Balls" did not really understand what was going on there...it is really deceptive because man it looks cool. If I understand you correctly you ground out on the peg or the pipe or some thing and the back-end came around on ya?
Clearly you saved it which is just spectacular. I would have shit finding myself in a full lock slide such as this. How did it work out? What was it like to finish that corner?
cheers- Awesome pic.
tim
(popcorn)
Quote from: axiom-r on June 15, 2011, 10:07:41 PM
Hey mst3kguy- First off let me say what an incredible slide that was captured in that photo- it is you? It reminded me instantly of the shot of Rubin Xaus sliding on the Supermotard.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/backburner/ruben-xaus.jpg)
From the first look I thought shiiiiiiit that guy does have balls of steel! But who ever tagged the shot with "Big Balls" did not really understand what was going on there...it is really deceptive because man it looks cool. If I understand you correctly you ground out on the peg or the pipe or some thing and the back-end came around on ya?
Clearly you saved it which is just spectacular. I would have shit finding myself in a full lock slide such as this. How did it work out? What was it like to finish that corner?
cheers- Awesome pic.
tim
um, it didn't work out, and it sucked "finishing" that corner.
Man- I am sorry to hear that and hope I did not step on a sensitive spot with any of my comments- If I did, I apologize. I was under the impression that you did not go down.
On the bright side- I think any of us that have been on bikes awhile have been in your shoes once or twice and I know I certainly don't have any kick-ass photos of my spills as trophies!
The image truly is amazing- I hope you and your ride were not significantly harmed in the making of that picture...
:flag_of_truce:
no worries, it didn't bother me none.
a split-second after that image was captured, i high-sided. all things considered, including that i had my helmet chin bar in the up position, i was lucky to literally walk away from the motorcycle pole vault with only four fractured ribs. i had no road rash, and the bruising that i had the same day went away pretty quickly, i would have bet the farm it would have been like klavdy and gone the other way. my helmet got substantial scratches on rear, lower section of helmet. arerostich suit has tear from armpit to waist, as well as the back section of the collar is rashed up. but point is, i was not.
bike sustained broken mirror, passenger footpeg, timing cover, bent engine guard, bent subframe, scuffed up givi top box, and fairing got trashed.
as an update, a few weeks ago bill and i loaded both of my fjs on a trailer and took them to his house for him to so some parts transplantation.
Wow this topic has sure been exhausted!
Firstlt awesome video and glad the host escaped mostly unharmed.
My 2cents to exhaust this further, you wont really learn until it happens and when I was in my accident I was happy I wore most of what I did - it could have been better and have ugly foot road rash for memories. You choose what you wear but at the end of the day its best that you wear the bare minimum and in my books thats a full helmet a jacket and jeans and boots. The only 2 items of gear I dont wear are the ear plugs and the pants (I actually thought jeans and equivalent material were good enough)
I dont know why anybody would ride without their helmet. I have forgotten my helmet when riding to the shop about a mile away and I am so thankful for the FJS long visor as winblast literally sux especially when u have teary eyes.
Im all for freedom of choice but if someone ruins my riding experience becos of their own stupidity say by endangering the lives of another road user I wont have sympathy. :diablo:
On a different note since jeans arent good enough and I cant afford riding pants what would do just as well as a cheap out buy?
if you can't afford riding pants, can you afford the medical bills associated with the treatment from the road rash? maybe i'm naive and most people's insurance is better than my crappy employer-provided?
Sometimes people don't need it,,,
http://www.heavy-r.com/video/108739/Lucky_escape/ (http://www.heavy-r.com/video/108739/Lucky_escape/)
That was a very lucky guy in the video, quick decision making by going to the opposite railing. Wonder what the people in the car were thinking?
Quote from: terryk on August 19, 2011, 07:46:06 AM
That was a very lucky guy in the video, quick decision making by going to the opposite railing. Wonder what the people in the car were thinking?
Probably how they would have explained it to their insurance
Quote from: Klavdy on August 19, 2011, 06:36:50 AM
Sometimes people don't need it,,,
http://www.heavy-r.com/video/108739/Lucky_escape/ (http://www.heavy-r.com/video/108739/Lucky_escape/)
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