Yambutt recently posted this question which made me curious:
Quote from: yambutt on September 08, 2017, 01:26:38 AM
I still have the stock oil filter cartridge and was wondering if anyone has heard of perf-form oil filters, glass enhanced and made in the usa, i was using wix but they seem to have gotten a little longer and have trouble getting them to fit in the cartridge where as the perf-form filter fits perfectly, but just wondering if its a good filter.....thanks
Most (if not all) the FJ'ers I've come across have converted over to the spin on oil filter.
(http://rpmracingca.com/prodimages/large/spinonfilteradapter-2.jpg)
http://rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=spinonfilteradapter (http://rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=spinonfilteradapter)
The advantages of the spin on filter are well known and have been thoroughly discussed on this forum..
So, as I said, I was curious. My question: For the FJ folks who are still using the oem cartridge filter, why?
Is it because you want to keep your bike stock or is there another reason? Is it the initial cost? ($50) Aesthetics?
Please, I do not want any bashing on the folks who respond or for their reasons for staying oem....I'm just curious. Thanks Pat
Because the 33 year old factory manual says . . . (just kidding).
For the season we get in Ontario, which to me seems to be getting shorter every year, the requirement to change the cartridge is just not that frequent and not a big a deal to me, in the larger scheme of things. There are several other chores I seem to get bogged down with on the bike and elsewhere that can be about as "inconvenient" or messy. I almost ordered the spin on 3 years ago but I think it was seeing the shipping at checkout being about the same as the product that dissuaded me. Cost to benefit, things like improved lighting and stainless lines would get the nod from me instead. And UNI dual pod filters - now those I'm happy I bought.
Ok, short riding season, high shipping, gotcha, Thanks Charlie!
Quote from: Charlie-brm on September 08, 2017, 01:59:13 PM
I almost ordered the spin on 3 years ago but I think it was seeing the shipping at checkout being about the same as the product that dissuaded me.
Charlie, it is these statements that concern me. When I don't know about things like this, there could be an issue.
One thing the RPM website used to do was "estimate" the shipping costs based on the zip code entered. Well, that estimated shipping was always the highest cost priority mail shipping. That process has since been eliminated and the complete address must be entered before the shipping is calculated.
So, based off of your address you used on your prior purchase I just ran the adapter through with your info.
I have attached the screen shots of the 1st class shipping at $24.50 and priority mail at 36.85
I hope that eases you mind a little bit about the "high shipping" cost, but that is the international rate to ship the adapter.
Randy - RPM
I switched over to the spin on several years ago. My riding seasons vary between a few thousand km (like this shitty year) to ~15,000km. I buy the filters at NAPA and can get three or four for the price of an OEM one. I normally go through 2-3 oil changes per yr depending on the season. It paid for itself within two seasons. For you guys that don't get snow, probably the first year. I still have the OEM filter cover/bolt etc on the shelf. For all the mods out there, probably the best bang for the buck. To defray shipping costs I try to order stuff in batches from RPM. If there's something I really need (or desire) I try to order a few other things that I have been putting off. (Sometimes I just say F-IT! and buy it anyhow :pardon:)
Go ahead... do it... you know you want to... heh heh heh :diablo:
I'm still running the original oil filter but only because I haven't changed the oil since getting back from the WCR where I won a new RPM oil filter adapter in a raffle. Already have my Wix spin-on filter ready to go when I make the conversion.
Because it makes the clutch slave look ugly ....lol, but ive been thinking about getting the spin on filter conversion pat, are there truly any benefits to it and if so what are they, and if there is ill order mine as soon as i recover from back surgery i just had today...... bummer cause hank just turned my fj into a 1349 and it runs sweet, managed 130 miles on it while my back was blown out so i had to cut my ride short, so now i can't ride for 2 more months, man what a bummer......thanks
Hank dynoed 171hp and 118 lb ft......and so far, only 136 miles to be presise and oil level is exactly where it was when i added the oil, i know you had issues with your wiseco, he says it will not burn any oil at all, so we will see, in a couple months....lol
Ok im sold, i just read all the benefits, more filter media and better cooling since more oil is out of the engine, i never had issues with pinching a wire and installing the cartridge, it goes right on for me, but with that being said the spin on is much easier, however its the cooling and better filtration that sold me, hey i wonder if perf-form makes a spin on to work with randys design, their media suppose to filter really well, ill have to research whats the lowest micron they trap
Ok this is what i found on their site....All PERF-FORM Oil Filters incorporate leading edge technology in Motorcycle oil filtration with the use of Microglass/synthetic enhanced filtration media.
S.A.E. Technical papers report the greatly increased efficiency of glass enhanced filter media for particle retention capabilities in the 4 to 22 micron range, the particle size most effective in greatly reducing engine wear. Glass enhanced media also provides the added benefit of higher levels of dirt holding capacity without increased flow restriction (back pressure).
Electron Scanning Microscope photos illustrate the fine particle catching fibers woven in the Microglass enhanced media. This NEW TECHNOLOGY filter media is considerably more costly than standard cellulose media, however we believe the enhanced filtration qualities that DIRECTLY TRANSLATE INTO LONGER ENGINE LIFE justify the cost.
All PERF-FORM Filters have correct pressure relief valving and flow rates in accordance with the Original Manufacturer's specifications.
MADE IN THE U.S.A.
Quote from: yambutt on September 09, 2017, 12:31:50 AM
Ok im sold, i just read all the benefits, more filter media and better cooling since more oil is out of the engine, i never had issues with pinching a wire and installing the cartridge, it goes right on for me, but with that being said the spin on is much easier, however its the cooling and better filtration that sold me, hey i wonder if perf-form makes a spin on to work with randys design, their media suppose to filter really well, ill have to research whats the lowest micron they trap
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Filters also have relief or bypass valves. These valves are set to trigger if the filter element is making too large a pressure drop. Normally, this would be because it is clogged, however on an engine with a very high flow oil pump this can also happen if the oil is very cold. Motorcycles do not have high-flow oil pumps. These relief valves are set for different pressures, and sometimes a tech or mechanic will tell you that it's important that the relief valve have the correct rating. It's not. These valves are very low-precision devices, and their pop-off values are different from each other even in identical filters of the same brand. I have spoken with engineers (not techs) at AMS, Purolator, Mobil, and Champion, and not one of them knows of a single reason why you can't use a car filter on a motorcycle. In fact, not one of them could quote me a single pop-off valve pressure rating off the tops of their heads. They did not consider this an interesting or important topic until I brought it up. When the relief valve is open, the oil is going around the filter element and not being filtered at all. If your relief valve ever opens up you're either using a really cheap oil on a really cold day, or you haven't changed your oil filter since the last time you saw Robert E. Lee. Because filters can clog up and saturate with junk, your oil filter should be changed about every 5,000 miles. In fact, if you are using an advanced synthetic oil, you should probably change your oil filter about twice as often as you change your oil.
Quote from: yambutt on September 09, 2017, 12:36:26 AM
Ok this is what i found on their site....All PERF-FORM Oil Filters incorporate leading edge technology in Motorcycle oil filtration with the use of Microglass/synthetic enhanced filtration media.
S.A.E. Technical papers report the greatly increased efficiency of glass enhanced filter media for particle retention capabilities in the 4 to 22 micron range, the particle size most effective in greatly reducing engine wear. Glass enhanced media also provides the added benefit of higher levels of dirt holding capacity without increased flow restriction (back pressure).
Electron Scanning Microscope photos illustrate the fine particle catching fibers woven in the Microglass enhanced media. This NEW TECHNOLOGY filter media is considerably more costly than standard cellulose media, however we believe the enhanced filtration qualities that DIRECTLY TRANSLATE INTO LONGER ENGINE LIFE justify the cost.
All PERF-FORM Filters have correct pressure relief valving and flow rates in accordance with the Original Manufacturer's specifications.
MADE IN THE U.S.A.Quote from: yambutt on September 09, 2017, 12:31:50 AM
Ok im sold, i just read all the benefits, more filter media and better cooling since more oil is out of the engine, i never had issues with pinching a wire and installing the cartridge, it goes right on for me, but with that being said the spin on is much easier, however its the cooling and better filtration that sold me, hey i wonder if perf-form makes a spin on to work with randys design, their media suppose to filter really well, ill have to research whats the lowest micron they trap
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Article on oil filters...https://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html
Ok Yambutt, heal up first. I can imagine it has to be torture recovering from back surgery while a rip snortin fire breathing Hank Scott FJ is waiting in your garage.
Yea, do keep an eye on your oil. Check your plugs. The Wiseco Pro Lite oil rings did not do their job on my engines (x2) High rpm, close the throttle plates and the vacuum from those 82mm jugs would pull the oil right up.
Heal well! Pat
Did you want your replies #9, #10 and #11 (above) in this topic or do you want me to move them over to your oil filter thread?
A superior spin-on filter? Yes, it's out there. Made by Amsoil. The Ea15k20 fits the FJ with Randy's spin-on mod. How many would you like?
http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=80.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=80.0)
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 09, 2017, 01:06:46 AM
Ok Yambutt, heal up first. I can imagine it has to be torture recovering from back surgery while a rip snortin fire breathing Hank Scott FJ is waiting in your garage.
Yea, do keep an eye on your oil. Check your plugs. The Wiseco Pro Lite oil rings did not do their job on my engines (x2) High rpm, close the throttle plates and the vacuum from those 82mm jugs would pull the oil right up.
Heal well! Pat
Did you want your replies #9, #10 and #11 (above) in this topic or do you want me to move them over to your oil filter thread?
You can leave them here pat, and thanks, as you can tell im having a hard time sleeping....lol
Quote from: simi_ed on September 09, 2017, 01:13:07 AM
A superior spin-on filter? Yes, it's out there. Made by Amsoil. The Ea15k20 fits the FJ with Randy's spin-on mod. How many would you like?
http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=80.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=80.0)
I love all amsoil products, im a amsoil dealer, and yes that ea filter is the best, but do all the pressure ratings work for our bikes, are they a strain on our oil pumps...just asking cause i dont know
Hey pat i think thats how i blew my back out, i removed and installed that motor by myself and had to pick it up and carry it to the pallet......only about 5ft away.....but damn that motor is a monster
Ed what about the eaom series motorcycle filter, their the same as the Ea15 filter
I still run the original oil filter set up. I never found changing the filter particularly annoying. I considered converting to the spin on, but unless I could find a similar quality filter as the Yamaha filter, I would think the conversion would be counter productive.
I imagine the U.S market has a large supply of quality filters, but here in Aus we have repco or OEM spin ons, like BMW, vw, ford, etc.
The way I figured it, I would stick with the original setup and save the hassle of finding a decent filter in black.
And I am still running an original '85 front end too.
Quote from: Charlie-brm on September 08, 2017, 01:59:13 PM
Because the 33 year old factory manual says . . . (just kidding).
Pat how do you look for a spin on filter that will work for our fj's, do we have to match up the blow by pressure and if so what is the blow by pressure rating on our oil by pass bolt.
For the season we get in Ontario, which to me seems to be getting shorter every year, the requirement to change the cartridge is just not that frequent and not a big a deal to me, in the larger scheme of things. There are several other chores I seem to get bogged down with on the bike and elsewhere that can be about as "inconvenient" or messy. I almost ordered the spin on 3 years ago but I think it was seeing the shipping at checkout being about the same as the product that dissuaded me. Cost to benefit, things like improved lighting and stainless lines would get the nod from me instead. And UNI dual pod filters - now those I'm happy I bought.
I am still running the OEM cartridge style filters as I have yet to exhaust my supply. That and I found a source that is cheaper than the spin on type. With all of that said, I have Randy's adapter sitting here waiting to be installed on one of the FJ's...
Dean
I still run stock too.
Here in Europe HiFlo HF401 costs less than 5USD, is available nearly everywhere and honestly, aesthetics too, original filter is hidden and integrated in engine design. Spin on seems to me weird little bit :wacko1:
Nothing wrong with keeping it stock. At first I thought it might look out of place but with the filter location, you really don't notice a black spin-on. And anyone that does notice will likely be one of us. Keep the comments coming.
Quote from: Bezmozek on September 11, 2017, 10:21:12 PM
I still run stock too.
Here in Europe Hi Flo HF401 costs less than 5USD, is available nearly everywhere and honestly, aesthetics too, original filter is hidden and integrated in engine design. Spin on seems to me weird little bit :wacko1:
Yes, your comments about HF401 filter are true. But even with the difference on price, I assure you that first time you change the oil with the spin-on, you don't get back with the OE
And with the spin on fitted, the clutch pushrod dint get road debris, go cooler (with less oil seal hardened due to the heat), the engine go cooler too due to containing more oil with the HF202 filter fitted (around 3-5ºC, checked) and with more surface of the cartridge oil filter
Really, I'm in love with the spin-on. Its worth every pence, cent or whatever your currency is. Its the first thing that I've fitted to my new 1TX
Spin on look weird at the pics. The look is much better when fitted, even a bit "tricky" and I like it. And I must confess that I was not too convinced when I bought it about the aesthetics
I hope this helps
I only run the stk oil filters.
#1 don't like the look of the spin on filters
#2 personally don't think they flow enough oil? Possibly on a bike but definitely not on a legend. Next time you have one off, put the filter up to the adapter. Check out where the oil flow holes are?
#3 I use the cleanable filter that goes in stk canister, I can see if there's any contaminants in my oil. Available at RRC.
Bob w
Quote from: FJmonkey on September 11, 2017, 10:28:44 PM
Nothing wrong with keeping it stock. At first I thought it might look out of place but with the filter location, you really don't notice a black spin-on. And anyone that does notice will likely be one of us. Keep the comments coming.
I agree. When I first installed it I thought it looked funny next to the slave, but when I stood back it matches perfectly with the starter end cap and the crankcase cover, 3 round things. As Mark said, with a black filter you don't really see it anyway.
However, this is the real winner for me, no oil all over the collector, fairing and side stand switch.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2914/33890549332_d531857a15_c.jpg)
Noel
Despite all mods on my FJ I never intended to change OEM oil filter to spin-on.
I just don't see any sense - financial or technical. And with properly shaped piece of plastic pushed in between engine and frame it is also clean job.
I use the spin on with the stainless re-usable flo filter, never need to worry about buying filters again period or adding to landfill, It looks trick with nice cooling fins and an extra magnet right inside the filter, I love it, yes it was costly but its my FJ man! When I am dead and gone someone else will enjoy it I am sure.
I still use cartridge because, like someone mentioned before, they are cheap here. HiFlo for less than 5€. And no need to worry about the waste since most of the EU contries sepparate the waste and you have the facilities where you can put in the right bin.