I have been looking at putting a GPS on the bike. There are so may choices. I could use some help. After doing a search, it seems like Garmin customer service is top notch. Please give me some input on features and suggested models. Anything you think would be pertinent. Thank you all for your advise and input.
Kurt
I'll be watching this thread with interest.
This luddite still uses maps hastily scrawled on napkins. In crayon.
Steve
I've been using a GPS since 2008 and what was once considered a "nice to have" has become a "must have" for me. Wouldn't do a bike trip without it! And Garmin's customer service is indeed top notch: http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=12657.msg125957#msg125957 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=12657.msg125957#msg125957)
Zwartie
Hi Kurt :good2: I just use a 7 inch automotive nuvi 2555 LMT Garmin. But if I was going to buy another one it would have Bluetooth so I could pipe it into my helmet. E bay has some inexpensive receivers. Quality probably isn't the best but good enough for "Bitchen Betty" :lol:
Most of the time I don't need a GPS but when I do (in a strange city or on a back road in a strange location, like at a rally) it works great ! The GPS's do a LOT more than just navigate you. I use a Ram ball mount and a Ram bracket for the GPS that works good.
For some with smart phones you probably have some of the same features? I have no experience on that issue as my phone is an old dumb flip phone with no data plan. :). Flip phones, carburetors, dial indicators, no cup holder and all that stuff.
George
A few years ago I fitted a GPS that I bought from Alsi. It was so hard to program and set up that I almost never bothered using it. It went with the bike when it was stolen and I don't miss it.
We used Garmin Nuvis in our cars and we (missus and I) each have a Garmin Etrex 20 handheld unit. The new Garmins have Bluetooth. So easy to get (free) maps for them.
Here are some posted solutions...
http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=7393.msg65961#msg65961 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=7393.msg65961#msg65961)
I don't always use GPS, but when I do I prefer Garmin.......... :sarcastic:
I am using the Zumo 550.
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I like it alot, and before I bought it I wasn't sure if I even needed one. I find myself using it all the time.
It includes 2 cradles. (a motorcycle specific one, and a car/windshield mount one) so you can take it in any vehicle also.
It uses the standard RAM ball mounts. A bunch of people like to mount them to the steering stem nut, but I used the clamp that comes with it to mount it here.
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It has a touch-screen for function, but it also has a row of buttons on the left that alow you to scroll the menus with gloves on (super handy)
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It has built-in Bluetooth (I have my phone synched to it, and it lets me know when I have an incoming call) I don't have a bluetooth headset so I can't answer calls, but if I feel the need I just pull over and call the person back.
It has an SD card slot, so I load it up with a bunch of MP3s that I like, and I plug my helmet in via the headphone jack on the side of the cradle. Sometimes I like music when I ride. :music:
You can also load extra maps and pictures on the SD card, and access them from the menus.
When you program in a destination, you can listen to your music, and it will pause your playlist to give you the turn directions, then continue on with your tunes.
It also gives you other useful (or useless) information like altitude and compass headings.
One of the features that I like and use all the time, is when it's in the motorcycle cradle, you can set your fuel distance. It will give you a visual and audible warning when you have reached a certain mileage (like say, 170 miles) to remind you to look for a fuel stop.
It is also completely weather-proof, so you can use it in the rain also.
I bought mine used on Ebay, and a couple months after I got it the screen went dead. Garmin's customer service is probably the best in the business! :good:
They exchanged the complete unit for a small fee, and even transferred my lifetime map upgrades. A year later, the internal battery and charger quit so they exchanged it for me again free of charge.
These units are a little on the pricey side, but they have a bunch of features that make them very motorcycle-friendly.
It also makes for a nicely accurate speedometer.............A feature that the FJ (and most motorcycles in general) seemed to come without. :sarcastic:
I have resisted the GPS navigation for awhile. Like George, a paper map has always served me well. :good:
On my vacation to the sunny warm southeast over the holidays, I gave in and decided to use the navigation app that came on my phone. My phone is a Nokia 1320 and uses Windows 8.1 and has a 6"x3" screen. It is larger than some of the Garmin units. The Here Drive+ app works like a champ. It does not have all the bells and whistles on the display as the Garmin has, but it got me to my destination just fine.
The Here Drive+ app disables the screen from timing out and going black. Because of that, it does use alot of the battery power. I do have a charging port wired on the bike, so that was not an issue. I wear ear plugs with speakers and I listen to music while riding. The Here Drive+ automatically cuts in to tell you when you get close to turn or destination.
I find it a great option to a full blown GPS unit.
Fred
My Garmin Zumu is the most used accessory I have. For all the reasons mentioned so far.
It travels in airline "carry on luggage" and simply plugs into the hire car cigarette lighter. Garmin include a number of cradles incl the suction cup, simple inside screen set up.
I use the speedo all the time and have found all cars I`ve driven, to have inaccurate speedos....I`m overtaking traffic legally most of the time. (It`s only a trap when entering descending tunnels cause it stays lit up on say 60klm/hr when your speed may have increased to 80!....apparently no satellite connection in tunnels :dash2:...best to keep car lights on when entering tunnels so the other speedo becomes obvious.))
A handy feature is asking it to indicate the nearest fuel station. It pops up 5 on the side of the screen with an arrow attached to all of their distances identified. (Sometimes it pays to head back on your tracks....another scroll down and another 5 shown for fuel planning...real handy outback or on some long expressways)
When on the dirtbike it will give a breadcrumb trail when requested. (for when ya lost in the bush.)
It synchs with my communications, music etc. (Some CB radios can be connected via Bluetooth also)
Owned this one 4 years exposure to all weathers...never a prob. (mates have had many probs with the cheap ones.
Today the cost is a bit questionable given the features on mobile phones, but I would still buy one if this was stolen.
Also consider temperatures in cars. The better quality ones seem to survive when you leave them exposed through forgetfulness.
Will also bring up Town features, Entertainment and takeaway eateries. (I use the macdonalds search a lot on long trips.) :drinks:
I've done just about everything to my bike, engine, wheels, suspension, brakes, communication, etc. The one thing that has probably added the most enjoyment to riding though is GPS. It has opened up a whole new world of places to ride. Not so much destinations but ways of getting their. It has turned every ride into more of an adventure.
I have discovered more fantastic riding in the last 4 years than I did in the previous 40.
Sitting down the night before a ride and playing with google maps to plan a trip is one of the favourite activities. Once decided on, put the relative info into the GPS and next morning just hit go and you're off.
I always have mine muted, can't stand the verbal instructions, spoils whatever I am enjoying while riding. I am well in the habit of looking at when needed and just make a mental note of an upcoming turn (it will always display distance to the next turn)
In theory, paper maps do the job but in practice they suck, particularly on a bike (at night, in the rain and cold) I always have one tucked away somewhere on the bike anyway should I need a big picture view for some reason. I don't recall ever referring to it though.
How much benefit you get from one depends largely on the sort of riding you do. I never start my bike for less than a 500km ride and actively look for new ways to get to old places, I love previously un ridden roads and as most of my rides start and finish at home, this forces me (no great hardship really) to explore. I very rarely use it in the car though because most trips are to known places and the drive is not for fun, I just want to get there.
Because the idea of a map is not something new, the GPS just a new way of doing it, I can understand why some shun the idea as unnecessary. After all, "paper maps have served me well" just like the horse and buggy did in it's day but then a better way of doing the same thing came along. Seems hard to imagine now, but there was resistance to motor vehicles replacing horses, even after they had become reliable and well developed.
I also had good experience with Garmin service. My screen died after 150,000kms and many years of permanent service (never off the bike) They quoted me a price for a new screen which turned out to be no longer available so gave me a whole new unit in the box, complete with accessories, for the quoted cost of the screen replacement.
A lot of people don't realise Garmin is a global avionics company, below is an example of their core business.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8674/16429325698_95a2a546d0_c.jpg)
Producing a motorbike GPS should be a no brainer if this is your main business.
Noel
Thank you all for your input. This has been very helpful. What I diced to do was to order a Garmin Nuvi. Finding a super deal on amazon. It's not a motorcycle specific model but it has all the features I want and was only $139.00 delivered. The plan is to put it in the map pouch of my tank bag for the first few trips and see how that works. Once I see how that works then I will stay with that or order a mount and case for the GPS. The mount and case is about $20.00. I want to be able to use it on both bikes. This may mean two mounts. It's not needed immediately so taking time to figure out the the best answer for me is what I am going to do. I also have thirty days to return it if it's not what I want. I will post pictures when it gets here.
Winter seems to be making a comeback in Utah. Fifty to sixty five for the last six weeks. Buy a new bike, cold and snow in the mountains. Not in the valleys thankfully. I took the demo bike three quarters of the way up Big Cottonwood Canyon during my test ride, it got a foot and a half of snow over the weekend.
Kurt
Strange surroundings in BFE, night time, tired/sore from riding all day, red fuel light glowing on your dash.....
The ability to find the closest gas station = priceless.
Period.
Quote from: yamaha fj rider on February 23, 2015, 03:37:28 PM
Thank you all for your input. This has been very helpful. What I diced to do was to order a Garmin Nuvi. Finding a super deal on amazon. It's not a motorcycle specific model but it has all the features I want and was only $139.00 delivered. The plan is to put it in the map pouch of my tank bag for the first few trips and see how that works. Once I see how that works then I will stay with that or order a mount and case for the GPS. The mount and case is about $20.00. I want to be able to use it on both bikes. This may mean two mounts. It's not needed immediately so taking time to figure out the the best answer for me is what I am going to do. I also have thirty days to return it if it's not what I want. I will post pictures when it gets here.
Winter seems to be making a comeback in Utah. Fifty to sixty five for the last six weeks. Buy a new bike, cold and snow in the mountains. Not in the valleys thankfully. I took the demo bike three quarters of the way up Big Cottonwood Canyon during my test ride, it got a foot and a half of snow over the weekend.
Kurt
Check out the Ram mounts as time go's by. They are inexpensive and have all configurations of mounts. I use the Ram ball mount on the road and when it rains etc. I put the GPS in my map compartment on the tank bag. You will probably find out the other features in the unit are what you will use to most especially in a strange location. Locating food places, fuel, stores etc. . They are pretty feature rich.
Weather the same here... Heading South this Thursday then got the weather report so I am upping the trip to skirt snow. Means snow at your location Friday :)... :wacko3:
Quote from: yamaha fj rider on February 23, 2015, 03:37:28 PM
Thank you all for your input. This has been very helpful. What I diced to do was to order a Garmin Nuvi. Finding a super deal on amazon. It's not a motorcycle specific model but it has all the features I want and was only $139.00 delivered. The plan is to put it in the map pouch of my tank bag for the first few trips and see how that works. Once I see how that works then I will stay with that or order a mount and case for the GPS. The mount and case is about $20.00. I want to be able to use it on both bikes. This may mean two mounts. It's not needed immediately so taking time to figure out the the best answer for me is what I am going to do. I also have thirty days to return it if it's not what I want. I will post pictures when it gets here.
Winter seems to be making a comeback in Utah. Fifty to sixty five for the last six weeks. Buy a new bike, cold and snow in the mountains. Not in the valleys thankfully. I took the demo bike three quarters of the way up Big Cottonwood Canyon during my test ride, it got a foot and a half of snow over the weekend.
Kurt
Unless your Nuvi has a very large and bright screen its going to be very hard, if not impossible to see in a tank bag clear pocket. Just too much light and reflection, I've tried it. But, if you have bluetooth, and all you need is spoken directions, then it would work fine. We have two Nuvis and have used them in the open, hand held, and often have to hold a the thing near vertical with a hand over the top to shade the screen. Would be worse in tank bag with plastic over it. Sorry if that's not what you want to hear. A car GPS can be used successfully, weather permitting, wife had one on her 250 Ninja, a little Navman, mounted almost vertically with a little stick-on shade attached over it to keep sun off. Was real handy on that bike as the speedo was over 10kph optomistic.
Quote from: Pat Conlon on February 23, 2015, 05:21:44 PM
Strange surroundings in BFE, night time, tired/sore from riding all day, red fuel light glowing on your dash.....
The ability to find the closest gas station = priceless.
Period.
On a long stretch north of Lake Superior, I filled up in Wawa, Ontario and had some lunch. I spent a bit of effort topping off the tank as best as I could knowing that towns were few and far-between on Canadian highway 17 heading west.
At about the 170 mile mark it was now dark and still raining...a bit of panic set in for the fuel situation. I looked up the nearest gas station in the nav app on my iPhone and it looked like Nipigon, ON was my only option. Having an app that doesn't require a cell signal for points of interest has saved me in many remote areas. Doing some quick math, that would be 225 miles on a single tank of fuel... I backed the speed down a bit to add some range, but started gaining in altitude. Watching the fuel gauge was nerve-wracking as it dropped below the E mark a half an hour earlier.
With about 15 miles to go, I spotted an unattended fuel station about 1/4 mile down a side road. It was an odd sight...a single pump under a small overhang with a fluorescent light and not a building or person in sight. I had a quick decision to make...I may not have enough fuel to get to Nipigon...but this mirage of a station might not deliver fuel either. Burning the extra 1/2 mile of fuel to find out was a risk and I thought again of having to walk that extra distance in the dark...in the rain...in my riding gear, but what choice did I have? I pulled up to the pump...stuck a credit card into the slot, put the nozzle into my tank and prayed that gasoline would come out. The moment fuel started flowing was the happiest I had been in the last couple of hours! I probably would have made it to the next town, but who knows. I was happy to not have to find out the hard way.
The ability to find fuel...when and where you need it is the difference of a great day of riding and getting to a warm hotel...or walking miles in the rain on a lonely stretch of highway in the dark.
Firehawk's setup is also how I mounted my Zumo 550 on my '87, and in my case it tended to keep the GPS dry (at least when I was moving). Even when traveling down the Interstate at speed in a driving rain with spray coming up off of semis it never got soaked. At stops it would catch a few drops, but in general stays pretty dry mounted in that location. For best results, you definitely want to get a mount of some kind and if you haven't already done so, look into a power cable as well. I would also advise that when you get your device, take the time to study the manual. Many of the Garmin devices have some really cool features that may not be evident by just toggling through the menu screens.
Last week we rode from Clanton Alabama, to New Orleans ( Mardi Gras ) , Avery Island ( Tabasco factory ), and back through the bayou and through the back roads of Alabama. The roads are so poorly marked there, that finding fun roads is almost impossible with a map. A good GPS would probably be the only way to discover interesting roads that one could use to string together a route.
Many times we passed interesting roads that were not on our map. We were using NEW map that we purchased the same week we travelled.
Our route planner ALLWAYS plans our routes with a map, but had to admit defeat. True story.
I like the smartphone apps but there are still plenty of areas that are out of range for cell coverage so I take my Magellan Maestro and maps on the long trips. Magellan hasn't had a map update since I bought it so I may be looking at a new gps. It does ok with routes for the most part but local stuff like gas stations and restaurants change too often.
Quote from: magge52 on February 25, 2015, 07:54:45 PM
.....I like the smartphone apps....
Interesting. I read an article recently about the future of the stand alone GPS units vs Smart phone apps. The conclusion was the GPS unit has nothing to fear, basically because we are lazy (and a few other things)
We apparently want them working independent of each other and the relatively cheap price of GPS units means we can. I have GPS units in all my cars and on my bike. When they were expensive I would move the one unit from vehicle to vehicle. I have tried using the phone apps and quite simply, find it a PIA. Technically you can do it but practically it doesn't work.
I know Capn' Ron swears by his phone app and has navigated his way all over the country with it but for me it's a matter of convenience, phone for phone calls, mail etc, GPS unit for navigating.
As already mentioned they don't work very well in tank bags because of the reflection and, as someone mentioned they aren't much good in direct sunlight. The Zumos, and I imagine other motorbike specific units have different screens. The Zumo (Garmin) can be easily read in all light conditions.
If choosing to use a normal car unit, which I will do when my Zumo dies, you can get universal peaks that shade the screen. I have the standard non US screen (finned type) on my bike and find that even in the harshest conditions, it stays dry, it only gets a bit of rain if stopped with the weather coming from behind and tests done on normal units show them to be surprisingly waterproof anyway, although the manufacturers make no such claims.
I have mine mounted in what seems to be a popular spot, over the steering stem nut, although mounting methods differ, the location is a favourite.
Noel
I'm going the smartphone route. I own a high-end one, and from what I've been reading about others on other cycling forums that are using them, is that they are very capable. I've been very interested in some of their details of using various offline map systems (free), that you download into your phone, then you do not need to have an internet connection (something you'll lose in the boonies) to navigate.
One of the drawbacks to the phone, is its small screen. I plan on either using earbuds, or Bluetooth, to listen to the directions, and/or listen to podcasts or music. The latter, can also be downloaded to the phone, so no internet connection is needed.
A larger GPS screen may be nice for viewing, but I am not sure how safe it is to try and ride and look at the screen at the same time. However, that's not an issue if you stop, look at the screen, and take off again.
From researching smartphones versus a dedicated GPS, there's some strong arguements for using a smartphone instead.
Mis dos centavos.
Let us know if you find a good map download that works.
Quote from: FJ1100mjk on February 26, 2015, 07:46:39 AM
I'm going the smartphone route. I own a high-end one, and from what I've been reading about others on other cycling forums that are using them, is that they are very capable. I've been very interested in some of their details of using various offline map systems (free), that you download into your phone, then you do not need to have an internet connection (something you'll lose in the boonies) to navigate.
One of the drawbacks to the phone, is its small screen. I plan on either using earbuds, or Bluetooth, to listen to the directions, and/or listen to podcasts or music. The latter, can also be downloaded to the phone, so no internet connection is needed.
A larger GPS screen may be nice for viewing, but I am not sure how safe it is to try and ride and look at the screen at the same time. However, that's not an issue if you stop, look at the screen, and take off again.
From researching smartphones versus a dedicated GPS, there's some strong arguements for using a smartphone instead.
Mis dos centavos.
Having used both it's a no brainer for me, but I understand it is largely a matter of personal choice. I do wonder though if these "arguments" are made in the office or on the bike.
One thing I didn't mention was the data the phone sucks up when it's connected all day long.
How do offline maps plot your current position if not connected?
As far as the safety of looking at the screen, you don't stare at it for any length of time, the glances are no longer than a speedo check. You already have a picture in you mind and are just checking the detail such as distance to turn etc.
If it's mounted high enough, the road remains in your peripheral vision.
Yes, a phone will do the job, but as a user of both, I reckon the GPS is waaaay better.
What happens if you're on the phone and sail right past your turn off?
As the article said, in theory the phone works, in practice it doesn't. I agree.
The only thing that
really matters is that you're out riding your bike and how you navigate to where ever you're going is only icing.
Noel
Quote from: giantkiller on February 26, 2015, 08:11:49 AM
Let us know if you find a good map download that works.
This one http://osmand.net/ (http://osmand.net/) seems to tick a lot of the boxes. You can get a watered-down free version to play around with and see if you like it. Same for this one http://copilotgps.com/us/ (http://copilotgps.com/us/) It also ticks a lot of boxes.
Probably get a Sena or Cardo unit for Bluetooth and other wireless data transfer.
Quote from: FJ1100mjk on February 26, 2015, 11:50:09 AM
Quote from: giantkiller on February 26, 2015, 08:11:49 AM
Let us know if you find a good map download that works.
This one http://osmand.net/ (http://osmand.net/) seems to tick a lot of the boxes. You can get a watered-down free version to play around with and see if you like it. Same for this one http://copilotgps.com/us/ (http://copilotgps.com/us/) It also ticks a lot of boxes.
CoPilot is the one I use and have been using since around 2005. Started with it on a laptop with a GPS puck...then ported it over to an HTC Windows mobile phone (with a bluetooth GPS puck) and then to an iPhone 3GS and then to the iPhone 4 and soon to the iPhone 6 +.
All along I have also used a dedicated Garmin GPS unit on occasion, but will never go back to them. I even have a factory GPS in my Nissan (a $2,000 option btw) that works pretty well...just not as good as CoPilot so it's just taking up dash space now. Just too many benefits to a *good* phone-based nav app.
Part of me thinks this resistance to smart-phone navigation is the proliferation of the ones that come canned with your phone? The little Google navigation app would be horrible to use on a motorcycle for many of the stated reasons. As would Waze. And MotionX. They can get you to a destination in a pinch, but would be just awful on the bike.
Quote from: ribbert on February 26, 2015, 08:27:27 AM
Having used both it's a no brainer for me, but I understand it is largely a matter of personal choice. I do wonder though if these "arguments" are made in the office or on the bike.
I think you're onto something there Noel. As mentioned in my previous post, if people tried to use the little free nav apps (Apple Maps, Google Maps, Waze) on their phone, the "bench talk" would quickly dismiss them as viable for use on a motorcycle. If that's the exposure folks have to nav tools...or that's all that was available...I'd agree 100%...although they have their place, they're not a long-term solution for your bike.
Quote from: ribbert on February 26, 2015, 08:27:27 AM
One thing I didn't mention was the data the phone sucks up when it's connected all day long.
I rode through the states with an unlimited data plan, so I just left the data on...for no other reason than I didn't have to switch it back and forth when I wanted to check my email or text my position at lunchtime.
I rode the entire width of Canada with cellular data
turned off...for no other reason than it was crazy expensive for international roaming (even with a temp plan). In much of my remote exploration in Canada, I wouldn't have found a signal anyway.
In BOTH scenarios, navigation is not effected. A proper navigation app does NOT use a data connection.
Quote from: ribbert on February 26, 2015, 08:27:27 AM
How do offline maps plot your current position if not connected?
GPS satellites...We regular civilians have had access to those buggers orbiting the planet for the last 25 years. Exactly the same way a dedicated GPS unit works. No different at all. There's a GPS chip in nearly every phone or tablet made now. All the street-level map data for two entire countries along with every restaurant, gas station and Yamaha dealer are stored in the phone to pull up and navigate to anytime you want. Further, all that information is added to or corrected at EVERY app update.
Quote from: ribbert on February 26, 2015, 08:27:27 AM
As far as the safety of looking at the screen, you don't stare at it for any length of time, the glances are no longer than a speedo check. You already have a picture in you mind and are just checking the detail such as distance to turn etc.
If it's mounted high enough, the road remains in your peripheral vision.
This is exactly correct. You never look down at your screen and then start wondering what information you'd like. Quite the opposite. You think about what you want to know: Speed, distance to next turn, altitude, ETA, current road name, nearest city, what the next three curves in the road look like, etc... You then picture where that is on the screen...glance down at that position and you're done. Just like a speedo, tach or fuel check.
Quote from: ribbert on February 26, 2015, 08:27:27 AM
What happens if you're on the phone and sail right past your turn off?
The same thing that happens when I'm in the car. "Hey, I'll call you back." I know others can, but I can't focus on riding, talking on the phone and navigating all at the same moment. When I'm riding, they can leave a message. :good2:
Quote from: ribbert on February 26, 2015, 08:27:27 AM
As the article said, in theory the phone works, in practice it doesn't. I agree. Yes, a phone will do the job, but as a user of both, I reckon the GPS is waaaay better.
A proper GPS app on the iPhone works awesome...in theory and in practice. A dedicated GPS unit also works awesome!!! In both theory and in practice.
Quote from: ribbert on February 26, 2015, 08:27:27 AM
The only thing that really matters is that you're out riding your bike and how you navigate to where ever you're going is only icing.
Noel
100% agreed! :good2: Doesn't matter what you pick to navigate with as long as it's a good fit for YOU. Heck, I'll even refer to a paper map once a year or so... :biggrin:
Disclaimers:
I don't ever take or make phone calls while riding...so my need for two disparate devices is reduced. I suppose if I were taking a lot of calls, I would have a different view on tying up my cell phone otherwise...or tying up my GPS otherwise.
I use an iPhone. Not all apps work the same on all devices as developers will pick a platform to focus on first and then port them to other platforms. They then work on fixing issues under some priority scheme. I have used CoPilot on an Android tablet two years ago and it wasn't as "polished" as the version I use on IOS.
Quote from: FJ1100mjk on February 26, 2015, 11:50:09 AM
This one http://osmand.net/ (http://osmand.net/) seems to tick a lot of the boxes. You can get a watered-down free version to play around with and see if you like it. Same for this one http://copilotgps.com/us/ (http://copilotgps.com/us/) It also ticks a lot of boxes.
I used OSMand on my Android Tablet, and it seemed to work fine. I don't know how well it works for Navigation (on/off bike), as I never had the opportunity to try it out for that purpose. to be honest, I had no real reason to, as I use my Garmin ZUMO for Navigation on the bike. I can tell you that on my tablet, it does use a lot of battery power, so I would again advise making sure you have a power cable installed on your bike to alleviate that potential issue.
I mainly tried it out for route planning purposes when traveling, and I was looking for an option that included terrain (contour-lines). I found out that OSMand uses terrain map data from governmental agencies such as the U.S. Geological Survey (at least for U.S. coverage), so I figured the data would be accurate enough. I don't know what the differences are between the pay and free versions. I got the app from https://f-droid.org/ (https://f-droid.org/) which is a repository (app store), for free and open source apps. Many of the apps are the full version that normally would cost money on Google Play, I don't know if my version was the same as the paid version on Google play, but I can tell you that I never encountered any 'ads' or notifications that the function I wanted to use was only available in the paid version. Also, they had the contour-line plugin for free, where as Google Play had it listed for $2.00.
I use Neotreks GPS on my iphone when I'm off-road in the mountains.
The US street maps I have loaded in my Zumo doesn't show off-road trails very much at all.
Neotreks lets you download detailed topo, and trail maps to the iphone while you are in range of a cellular signal (i prefer to download them at home while on my network)
You can use them just fine with no tower signal, as they use GPS built-in to the phone to track your movements.
I rarely go off-road on the FJ (unless I'm riding with CapnRon) :sarcastic:
So, the Zumo works fine for me there.
The Neotreks app works excellent in the Jeep.
I just found the info on OSMand's website, the version available on F-droid is the full version. Non paid version only lets you download 10 map files, I had all of North America downloaded with contour data onto my SD card.
With that in mind, I'd like to add one key piece of info that should be taken into consideration. From my short time using OSMand I found the road data very accurate, not perfect to be sure, but very accurate in terms of a road being there (at least for the states of Oregon and Washington, USA). However, it's POI database is very limited (compared to Google and Garmin). I would still recommend giving the app a try. It may provide you with what you need on the cheep.
Quote from: FeralRdr on February 26, 2015, 04:38:21 PM
I just found the info on OSMand's website, the version available on F-droid is the full version.
However, it's POI database is very limited (compared to Google and Garmin). I would still recommend giving the app a try. It may provide you with what you need on the cheep.
A good POI database is great to have! I've found CoPilot to be pretty thorough with your most used categories on the first screen and then the choice for more categories on the lower right. That'll bring up 28 main categories and each one of those has a pile of sub-categories (including wineries!). :good2:
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/8/697_26_02_15_6_40_03_2.png)
If you can't find it in there (rare) you can search directly within the app using Google, Wikipedia or Yelp (with a data connection)...and once you've found what you're after, it'll just pop the address straight into the nav app. Pretty cool.
As for the keeping your eyes on the road, I have the iPhone mounted dead-center juuuuust below the view-line of my gauges and have it angled *directly* at my eyes to avoid any sky-induced glare. I've used RAM mount bits to accomplish this as well as a nice little platform for my radar detector. It's got switchable charger power fed to it to keep the battery topped up.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/8/697_26_02_15_7_10_10.jpeg)
The standard screen works fine for me with the next "instruction" as the largest element bottom-center. This is easy enough to give a quick glance to every once in a while to keep my timing correct for a soon to arrive lane change...or I can cruise the carpool lane for another 30 miles!
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/8/697_26_02_15_6_40_03_1.png)
If that seems small (it's really not)...two presses gets you into "Directions" view and the whole screen is just the pointy arrow bit...and it's HUGE!
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/8/697_26_02_15_6_40_03_0.png)
Oh...and because it's a *smart* phone, the app knows when sunset is each day for wherever you are and automatically goes into "night mode" accordingly. Freakin' magic I tell ya! :yes:
Quote from: Firehawk068 on February 26, 2015, 04:03:09 PM
I use Neotreks GPS on my iphone when I'm off-road in the mountains.
The US street maps I have loaded in my Zumo doesn't show off-road trails very much at all.
Neotreks lets you download detailed topo, and trail maps to the iphone while you are in range of a cellular signal (i prefer to download them at home while on my network)
You can use them just fine with no tower signal, as they use GPS built-in to the phone to track your movements.
I rarely go off-road on the FJ (unless I'm riding with CapnRon) :sarcastic:
So, the Zumo works fine for me there.
The Neotreks app works excellent in the Jeep.
Alan,
Thanks for the tip on NeoTreks! I just did some off-roading in the Panamint Range and my fellow rock crawlers used an app called Gaia...it too has local topo maps that you can layer on top of road maps. The two guys using that app were amazing at finding little off-shoot trails and the landmarks we were looking for!
You KNOW you will end up off-road with me on the FJ again...it's just gonna happen! :biggrin:
My Garmin GPS units do that as well without the need to be connected to the cellular network. I believe just about every GPS has that feature - something about knowing exactly where it is on the planet and what time it is.
Quote from: Capn Ron on February 26, 2015, 07:17:22 PM
Oh...and because it's a *smart* phone, the app knows when sunset is each day for wherever you are and automatically goes into "night mode" accordingly. Freakin' magic I tell ya! :yes:
Quote from: Zwartie on February 27, 2015, 07:23:06 AM
My Garmin GPS units do that as well without the need to be connected to the cellular network. I believe just about every GPS has that feature - something about knowing exactly where it is on the planet and what time it is.
Quote from: Capn Ron on February 26, 2015, 07:17:22 PM
Oh...and because it's a *smart* phone, the app knows when sunset is each day for wherever you are and automatically goes into "night mode" accordingly. Freakin' magic I tell ya! :yes:
Yep...just a cool thing, huh? Right about the time I'm thinking the screen is a bit bright, it switches. :good2:
Quote from: Capn Ron on February 26, 2015, 07:39:10 PM
You KNOW you will end up off-road with me on the FJ again...it's just gonna happen! :biggrin:
I am aware of this, and I accept it........... :blum1:
My Zumo dims at sunset also.
Well did OP pick out a unit yet? This thread sure has drawn a lot of comments, so why not me? :)
I've been using GPS on motorcycles since at least 2007. The most useful advice I can start with is to think about how you, as the individual you are, are going to interact with this doo-hickey while you're riding, or even at the side of the road. All the features are cool but if you get frustrated trying to input and get the results you want in short order, it starts to look more like an expensive brick on a RAM mount.
Checklist:
- Is the screen responding with gloves on? The kind of gloves you already like to use? Fewer consumer GPS screens are pressure sensitive to cut costs. They depend on making a conductive connection to your skin or gloves adapted to compensate for that necessity.
- Does it acknowledge your choices on the first push of your fingers or are you screwing around pressing longer or harder than necessary?
- Do you have to keep your eye on the screen (and off the road) longer than safe to be sure it responded? Visual/Audible clues.
All the above are factors in favour of some dedicated real buttons instead of on screen "buttons" à la Zumo, or my old baby that died last year - a StreetPilot 2720 - friggin' loved that GPS but very big and heavy by today's standards.
- Does it have a robust and secure power connector? Or maybe you do runs short enough to go with built in battery power. Micro/Mini USB jacks suck at remaining in place and eventually the internal connections on a phone or GPS get loosened up and break down from frequent handling, jostling the unit while the USB cable is inserted, etc.
- Check the auto zoom feature. Some of them drive me nuts the way they keep changing zoom range on their own at the worst times just when I get the map the way I want it.
Going with a cheap non water resistant unit - is it going to overheat in a sealed bag?
Features you pretty much have to look for in the specs. model by model and of course add cost:
Can you plan custom routes on your desktop and download them to the GPS vai the USB cable or microSD?
Bluetooth - really only helpful if you have a helmet headset with Bluetooth for 3 functions I know of:
Voice announcements and clicks from the GPS, playing music from the GPS, using the GPS as a dial pad for a Bluetooth paired smartphone.
So if I had the dinero I'd look at a Zumo and there are knockoffs with the physical buttons, etc.
Hang out at some bike meets and be a PITA politely inquiring about the units you see mounted. Geek types that ended up with something they still like to use will be happy to demonstrate.
Right now I'm screwing around with a Chinese thingy called the Chinavision Rage which runs a Windows CE operating system. I like to dabble with systems and kill useless time reading forums on how to actually get this device hacked to be half decent. I would not recommend it as a first unit unless you like reading third party instructions because it comes with no GPS software and no instructions. Otherwise lots of stuff it WILL EVENTUALLY do because it's basically a waterproof Windows mobile computer. I have two versions of iGO installed with custom routes, save routes, multiple user profiles, book reader, MP3 player, photo gallery, calculator, bluetooth, shrouded housing . . but still a work in progress.
Charlie, I have also been using GPS for a similar time and while mine will store photos and music etc I very quickly learned that all those things are much better on a phone. I enjoyed it much more once I limited myself to it's basic function, navigation.
You make some very good points about things and features to look for. While the Zumo can be used with a gloved hand (any glove) and the alpha pad doubled in size to allow for gloved finger use, it is a PIA. Easier to just pull your glove off.
On that point, I rarely experience your frustration at using it on the run. Once the route is set for one or multiple day rides I rarely touch it and I have never found an occasion to need the zoom function.
They are not a planning tool and I do all that on google maps beforehand. If a major deviation is needed mid ride/trip I have a paper map buried somewhere in my bag. Once again though, I can't remember when I last referred to it. Just deviate down any road and the GPS will still take you to your destination.
I carry one of these in my tank bag and use it like a stylus, much easier than fingers. It's one of those retractable pencil erasers. You get it right first time every time.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8664/16535167198_db93b9ce1d.jpg)
You haven't had a Zumo and would like one, I have one and won't be replacing it. It does everything claimed exceedingly well but so do my much cheaper car Garmins. The only advantage I see to the Zumo is it's waterproof, which I'm not fussed about,(mine rarely gets more than a few drops on it when stationary) and you can read the screen in full sun (I'll get a shroud). These are great features but I'm not sure they're worth a $600 to $700 (Aus) premium.
When I bought it I got all excited and replaced the card with a big one, loaded it up with photos and music etc, never used any of it, the smart phone does it all so much better.
Yesterday I bought a new phone, 64gb, 13 megapixel camera, 5.5"screen, 120 fps slow motion, half the thickness of an iPhone etc, next week? who knows what will hit the market. Phones are at the forefront of this technology, GPS's have no need to compete with them on peripheral functions and why carry two devices that overlap to that extent.
I do use the bluetooth. I am always connected to my phone and headset although I never listen to verbal instructions, I have that function muted, this is a great feature of GPS units.
If mounted in a hard wired shoe, connection integrity is not an issue.
I fully understand (and admire) the fun your having mucking around and improving stuff, electronics have left me behind :scratch_one-s_head: but for me, I'm happy to just have it navigate.
Noel
Quote from: Charlie-brm on March 04, 2015, 02:09:38 PM
Well did OP pick out a unit yet? This thread sure has drawn a lot of comments, so why not me? :)
Yes I did buy one. Garmin nuvi, it's a car model with all the features and was only $139.00 delivered. It is normally a $300 plus dollar model, a super deal on amazon. I could not see spending $700.00 plus dollars for a motorcycle model. This might be a mistake but I can return it if it doesn't work out. The handle bar mount I ordered ($9.00) should be here today. Hoping to test it out Sunday. After trying it out I will post an update with pictures.
Thank you all for your input.
Kurt
Quote from: yamaha fj rider on March 05, 2015, 06:34:46 AM
Quote from: Charlie-brm on March 04, 2015, 02:09:38 PM
Well did OP pick out a unit yet? This thread sure has drawn a lot of comments, so why not me? :)
Yes I did buy one. Garmin nuvi, it's a car model with all the features and was only $139.00 delivered. It is normally a $300 plus dollar model, a super deal on amazon. I could not see spending $700.00 plus dollars for a motorcycle model. This might be a mistake but I can return it if it doesn't work out. The handle bar mount I ordered ($9.00) should be here today. Hoping to test it out Sunday. After trying it out I will post an update with pictures.
Thank you all for your input.
Kurt
Hi Kurt, I've got a Garmin nuvi 3490, I bought if for the car originally but bought the 3490 because it had bluetooth with the idea I could use it on the bike as well, I have a Sena bluetooth headset. Tried to set it up today and although it will recognise the Sena it seems the bluetooth is only for a phone connection and will receive but not transmit so directions can't be heard through the headset.
Which model did you get and did it work ok? or does anyone else know of a way around this.
John.
Hiya John. As a Sena owner for quite a while now, I would say to go about your issues - start with the Sena unit to look for answers, not the GPS. There are some very knowledgeable Sena users out there who know in what order to pair up all kinds of combinations of devices. I'm going to assume you have a newer Sena with the capability of firmware upgrades. Mine is first generation so until I make some more scratch - $$$ - I'm stuck in the bluetooth stone age.
Hi Charlie, have upgraded firmware and tried every which way to connect them, but it seems the Nuvi 3490 doesn't transmit blue-tooth only receives it. There is no output socket either for headphones so I can't use a blue-tooth transmitter.
John
Quote from: aussiefj on March 18, 2015, 07:02:13 AM
Hi Charlie, have upgraded firmware and tried every which way to connect them, but it seems the Nuvi 3490 doesn't transmit blue-tooth only receives it. There is no output socket either for headphones so I can't use a blue-tooth transmitter.
John
I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest it is operator error. I've had GPS for years and was one of the first with bluetooth intercom. I bought a Scala Q2 when they first came out and when they could barely give them away.
I have come across many people over the years who swear and curse at them, their problems have always been in setting them up, without exception.
I never heard of one-way blue tooth!
Get on the net, read some forums, re read the instructions etc. I'm sure you can get on top of it.
Having the two units paired and working properly with phone, speed camera alerts, intercom, music, whatever you want in what ever order you want is great. I believe that model is capable of voice commands for address inputs too.
Stick with it.
Noel
Cnet posted a review for the Nuvi 3490. It sure looks like you should have two way communication with it.
http://www.cnet.com/products/garmin-nuvi-prestige/ (http://www.cnet.com/products/garmin-nuvi-prestige/)
I've emailed Garmin support just waiting on a reply.
John
Quote from: aussiefj on March 19, 2015, 06:59:38 AM
I've emailed Garmin support just waiting on a reply.
John
I just found this on Garmin's website, and it seems the problem is that most Nuvi's
don't support Bluetooth headsets. I appears that they rely on the devices built in speaker and microphone which is not really feasible for motorcycle applications.
http://support.garmin.com/support/searchSupport/simpleCase.htm?caseId={04794b50-0c83-11dd-dc9c-000000000000}&kbName=garmin (http://support.garmin.com/support/searchSupport/simpleCase.htm?caseId=%7B04794b50-0c83-11dd-dc9c-000000000000%7D&kbName=garmin)
QuoteIs there a list of compatible Bluetooth headsets for my Garmin device?
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03/05/2015
Garmin strives to maintain Bluetooth compatibility with the most popular motorcycle and truck headsets on the market. Currently, as long as the headset supports the hands-free profile and has a Bluetooth version of 1.1 or higher, it should be compatible, although it cannot be guaranteed.
Below is a list of Garmin devices that can be paired with a Bluetooth headset:
dezl 770
nuvi 765T
nuvi 775T
nuvi 785T
zumo 2201
zumo 3501
zumo 390
zumo 500
zumo 550
zumo 590
zumo 660
zumo 665
The dezl 770 has been tested and verified to work with the following:
Blue Tiger Deluxe
Blue Parrott B250-XT+
M55 headsets
Parrott CK3000 Evolution
Voyager Pro HD
The zumo 390 must be paired with a headset or helmet and a phone. The following headsets have been tested and verified to work with the zumo 390:
BMW System 6 (Software version 2.5 or higher)
Cardo Scala G4
Cardo Scala Q2 Multiset Pro
Cardo Scala G9 PowerSet
Cardo Scala TeamSet Pro
Cardo Scala Q2 Pro
Interphone Blueant F4
Midland BT2-S
Nolan
Nolan N-Com B4
Plantronics M55
Sena SMH105
Schuberth SRC
The zumo 590 can be paired with two wireless headsets at a time. Only one headset can receive navigation prompts and phone calls. Both headsets can be used for multimedia audio. The following headsets have been tested and verified to work with the zumo 590:
BMW System 6 (Software version 2.5 or higher)
Cardo Scala G4
Cardo Scala Q2 Multiset Pro
Cardo Scala G9 PowerSet
Cardo Scala TeamSet Pro
Cardo Scala Q2 Pro
Interphone Blueant F4
Midland BT2-S
Nolan
Nolan N-Com B4
Plantronics M55
Sena SMH105
Schuberth SRC
1The zumo 220 and zumo 350 do not have the ability to pair to a Bluetooth-enabled phone and will only pair to a Bluetooth headset or helmet.
This is something that we should remember when the topic of GPS devices comes up. I never realized (until I saw the above list) that most Garmin devices don't support Bluetooth headsets. I'm still a proponent of standalone GPS units myself, but for some folks this would definitely be a deal breaker.
So it would seem not all bluetooth is created equal.
John
I just designed :sarcastic: and installed two holders for my GPS - 5" Garmin. I don't know yet which one will stay on bike.
one is above dash and one is connected to handlebar screw.
General view:
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/8/medium_4406_07_04_15_9_50_15_0.jpeg)
Lower holder:
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/8/medium_4406_07_04_15_9_50_15_1.jpeg)
Lower holder- side:
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/8/medium_4406_07_04_15_9_50_16_2.jpeg)
That what I used for create this monster:
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/8/medium_4406_07_04_15_9_50_16_3.jpeg)
Top one:
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/8/medium_4406_07_04_15_9_50_17_5.jpeg)
IMHO, the higher the better. Having to drop your eyes so low as to the handle bars will have your eyes off the road too long, especially dangerous in traffic.
My $0.02.
Dan
Quote from: Capn Ron on February 26, 2015, 03:07:42 PM
I rode the entire width of Canada with cellular data turned off...for no other reason than it was crazy expensive for international roaming (even with a temp plan). In much of my remote exploration in Canada, I wouldn't have found a signal anyway.
My 2¥ worth.... I confess I still use paper and sun precisely for the above reason. :shok: No really, the sun actually works! Hasn't deviated in 4 billion years, so it's quite useful. Also in Canada we have the highest data and roaming rates in the world. Coverage outside of main corridors,towns, or more populated rural areas is sketchy to non existent, so I think GPS units would be more useful for anyone going beyond the shopping mall. The other guys up here are better informed on this, but it sounds like a lot of them prefer GPS from reading the thread.
At present I also don't have the pleasure of extended time off - actually I do have the time, just can't afford it - that would make any of this stuff useful. On my trip to Texas 2 yrs ago, we only got significantly lost once in two weeks. Though I confess again a GPS unit would have been welcome. I did buy a temporary data plan but didn't have a clue as to how to use it properly. I only reluctantly got a cell phone less than 3 yrs ago, so all this techy stuff is a good education. Eventually the tide of technology will sweep over me, and I'll probably buy a GPS unit - I was already eying them up at Costco a few weeks ago....
I'll keep this thread in mind once I make up my mind to guid me to a conclusion. Maybe some of us local FJ members can get together for a navigation workshop when the riding season winds down later this year?
Anyhow, great info once again.
Quote from: PaulG on April 07, 2015, 04:35:38 PM
Quote from: Capn Ron on February 26, 2015, 03:07:42 PM
I rode the entire width of Canada with cellular data turned off...for no other reason than it was crazy expensive for international roaming (even with a temp plan). In much of my remote exploration in Canada, I wouldn't have found a signal anyway.
....... Coverage outside of main corridors,towns, or more populated rural areas is sketchy to non existent, so I think GPS units would be more useful for anyone going beyond the shopping mall.
Paul the good news is the GPS signal is free and world wide, being beamed from satellites in space. Mobile (cell) phone signals are transmitted from land based towers and you pay for it and reception is limited, especially in remote areas.
Cap'n Ron was using a Nav app on his phone, hence the expense and dodgy coverage.
Once you have purchased the GPS unit, that's it for cost and no such thing as being out of range.
If you are somewhere that can't get satellite coverage, you are either underground or have been abducted by aliens.
Noel
As a long time, and constant user of GPS, can I suggest that how you end up using it is not necessarily how you imagine you will use it.
Once the novelty of the new toy (and the need to constantly look at it) has worn off, you will find an occasional look is all you need and once familiar with it, you eye will go straight to the relevant info on the screen. In my case "distance to next turn" I don't use the audio, or "arrive in ....(distance to destination)
It is no more distracting than a speedo check, you glance at it, not stare at it.
I have mine mounted somewhere near your lower mount so that from the seated position it sits immediately u der the speedo.
IMO having it mounted above your instruments is unnecessary and you may tire of having it in your face the whole time.
Anyway, if both your mounts are attached and operational give them both a good trial, everybody's different.
Many (most) things fitted to my bike and cars are no longer where I initially imagined they would work best.
Noel
I used a GPS last summer to great effect. I was headed to the a particular point in southern Virginia. I knew there were great roads between here and there, but the GPS wanted to take me only on the majors. -Near as I can tell, there's no 'route me on the best motorcycle roads' option, but that is a great idea... Anyway, I have a knack for meandering and finding great roads, but it's really the antithesis of actually getting somewhere. So I would turn the GPS off, get lost in the general direction I wanted to go, then once completely lost, turn it back on to get me going sort-of in the right direction again, then turn it off... I turned a 4 hour highway slog into an 8 hour, completely enjoyable ride this way.
Worth a thought.
Dan
Quote from: ribbert on April 07, 2015, 06:42:44 PM
Once the novelty of the new toy (and the need to constantly look at it) has worn off, you will find an occasional look is all you need and once familiar with it, you eye will go straight to the relevant info on the screen. In my case "distance to next turn" I don't use the audio, or "arrive in ....(distance to destination)
It is no more distracting than a speedo check, you glance at it, not stare at it.
I have mine mounted roughly where your lower one is and when I'm using it to get somewhere, I look at it a for more information than I need typically in a brief glance. More than once I wished it was higher up.
Take note how you use your GPS in the car. How much time do you look at the screen, what sort of information are you getting from it? With a full-face helmet, understand you need to rotate your head down pretty far because of the chin-bar to look at that spot and also, that your peripheral vision forward is completely restricted. It personally makes me a bit uncomfortable to ride and try to get anything more than a very brief glance, too breif look at it sometimes requiring a second or third look, especially at speed. I have found for instants, when I wanted to check the accuracy of my speedo, I was pretty darn uncomfortable rotating my head that far down to look at my actual speed.
To Noel's point if all you want is a single piece of information that can be had in a glance, the lower location is probably OK, it's just going to depend on what how you want to use it.
Dan
I personally like the turn-by-turn voice directions, especially if I'm in an unfamiliar area.
I can focus on my riding, and on the traffic and other dangers around me, while still getting the information I need to make my next turn. I don't have to look down at my GPS.
In a rural or sparse area, this is not as important to me, and I glance at it for speed and other relevant info.
If I find myself really wanting to fiddle with it, or find some more detailed info on it, I'll just pull off to the side and stop.
I certainly am glad I made the purchase. I find myself using it all the time on trips, both on 2-wheels and in our other vehicles.
Quote from: Dan Filetti on April 07, 2015, 07:49:21 PM
I used a GPS last summer to great effect. I was headed to the a particular point in southern Virginia. I knew there were great roads between here and there, but the GPS wanted to take me only on the majors. -Near as I can tell, there's no 'route me on the best motorcycle roads' option, but that is a great idea... Anyway, I have a knack for meandering and finding great roads, but it's really the antithesis of actually getting somewhere. So I would turn the GPS off, get lost in the general direction I wanted to go, then once completely lost, turn it back on to get me going sort-of in the right direction again, then turn it off... I turned a 4 hour highway slog into an 8 hour, completely enjoyable ride this way.
Worth a thought.
Dan
Awesome. That is the best way to travel.
Quote from: ribbert on April 07, 2015, 06:12:11 PM
Cap'n Ron was using a Nav app on his phone, hence the expense and dodgy coverage.
Noel
[Rant on] I really don't know how much clearer I can make this. Yes, I USE a nav app on my iPhone. It DOES NOT use cellular data. There is NO expense. There are NO coverage issues. It uses the same GPS satellites I've been relying on since the 90's on the sailboat. ALL map data is "canned" on the phone requiring ZERO data coverage. It's EXACTLY the same as a dedicated GPS unit. Well, that's not exactly true...A dedicated GPS unit will set you back $150. The app for the phone you already own is $19.
I really don't care what you use as long as it's the right fit for you. It's the mis-information that I find so bothering. [/Rant off]
Quote from: Dan Filetti on April 07, 2015, 07:49:21 PM
I knew there were great roads between here and there, but the GPS wanted to take me only on the majors. -Near as I can tell, there's no 'route me on the best motorcycle roads' option, but that is a great idea... Anyway, I have a knack for meandering and finding great roads, but it's really the antithesis of actually getting somewhere. So I would turn the GPS off, get lost in the general direction I wanted to go, then once completely lost, turn it back on to get me going sort-of in the right direction again, then turn it off... I turned a 4 hour highway slog into an 8 hour, completely enjoyable ride this way.
Worth a thought.
Dan
Dan, this surprises me coming from you. I would have thought you of all people would embrace the this technology.
The GPS takes you to those remote roads in the first place, not just back from them.
Google maps finds roads you could never hope to stumble across and is the exploring tool, the GPS just takes you to them.
I have been travelling frequently to a coastal town (Apollo Bay) a few hundred Kms away for forty years, most folks, inlcuding me, would tell you there are only two roads to choose from. the ones I used for 40 years. In the last few years I have found about a dozen variations I didn't know existed in roughly the same time and distance frame. I found them all on google maps and navigated to them with GPS.
You don't always want to double your travelling time but you do want to make a regular trip more interesting.
I have said many times here, I have discovered more roads in the last 5 years than I ever found with maps, getting lost or a road atlas in the previous 40.
Noel
Quote from: Capn Ron on April 07, 2015, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: ribbert on April 07, 2015, 06:12:11 PM
Cap'n Ron was using a Nav app on his phone, hence the expense and dodgy coverage.
Noel
[Rant on] ....I really don't know how much clearer I can make this.
It's the mis-information that I find so bothering...... [/Rant off]
I was wrong, my appologies.
Recalcitrant Ribbert's Repentant Reply to Ropeable Ron's Raging Rant
Quote from: ribbert on April 08, 2015, 06:12:56 AM
Quote from: Dan Filetti on April 07, 2015, 07:49:21 PM
I knew there were great roads between here and there, but the GPS wanted to take me only on the majors. -Near as I can tell, there's no 'route me on the best motorcycle roads' option, but that is a great idea... Anyway, I have a knack for meandering and finding great roads, but it's really the antithesis of actually getting somewhere. So I would turn the GPS off, get lost in the general direction I wanted to go, then once completely lost, turn it back on to get me going sort-of in the right direction again, then turn it off... I turned a 4 hour highway slog into an 8 hour, completely enjoyable ride this way.
Worth a thought.
Dan
Dan, this surprises me coming from you. I would have thought you of all people would embrace the this technology.
The GPS takes you to those remote roads in the first place, not just back from them.
Google maps finds roads you could never hope to stumble across and is the exploring tool, the GPS just takes you to them.
I have been travelling frequently to a coastal town (Apollo Bay) a few hundred Kms away for forty years, most folks, inlcuding me, would tell you there are only two roads to choose from. the ones I used for 40 years. In the last few years I have found about a dozen variations I didn't know existed in roughly the same time and distance frame. I found them all on google maps and navigated to them with GPS.
You don't always want to double your travelling time but you do want to make a regular trip more interesting.
I have said many times here, I have discovered more roads in the last 5 years than I ever found with maps, getting lost or a road atlas in the previous 40.
Noel
Ignore this post in it's entirety, it is incorrect and I missed the "Modify" time window.
Noel