While trying to sync, I've noticed that my '85 FJ1100 is burning oil, though she wasn't 19 years ago when I stopped running her. As a matter of fact the oil sight gauge was full before I drained it and put in new oil for her resurrection a week ago. Also during the sync I noticed that when she gets hot, kind of fast, her RPM's start to rise all by themselves. I've heard several possibilities, a vacuum leak, which doesn't seem to be the problem, I sprayed WD-40 all around the intake manifolds and carbs, I've also heard that valves can cause the problem, which seems to go along with burning oil, maybe.
I was wondering if anyone that has brought an FJ back from mothballs, or anyone else for that matter, is familiar with my current situation? No I haven't checked valve clearances yet, because suddenly her resurrection went from a slow paced hobby, to a full blown immediate necessity, with the sudden demise of our Honda Civic, going down hard. So I decided to sync all over again after the valve adjustment at a later date, post the Honda Civic resurrection.
I currently find myself between a rock and a hard spot.
Anyone have any ideas?
TIA
FJ Forever!
JoBrCo
It's most likely dried out/ leaking valve stem seals. It's possible that one or more of the bores has rusted or the rings are stuck but my money would be on valve seals.
Rising idle, while generally a vacuum issue, is likely a clogged passage in the idle circuit. If you have checked all of the vacuum lines including the ones connected to the petcock and advancer, I would reclean the carbs.
Quote from: the fan on August 28, 2014, 04:48:19 PM
It's most likely dried out/ leaking valve stem seals. It's possible that one or more of the bores has rusted or the rings are stuck but my money would be on valve seals.
Rising idle, while generally a vacuum issue, is likely a clogged passage in the idle circuit. If you have checked all of the vacuum lines including the ones connected to the petcock and advancer, I would reclean the carbs.
Kudos on the valve stem seals. Mine sat for 5 yrs and I had a smoking/oil burning issue when I brought her back to life...new seals and problems go away. Did you oil the cylinders and pistons good when you put her away? Very good Idea. Hope this helps,The Fan has it down on the carb cleaning Idle circuit idea also! Good luck to you! Charley.
I use to rebuild and restored old cars (lots of them). They almost always smoke like a pig if they have been sitting for a few years (or as in one case underwater). Not that there isn't a problem but I would not pass judgment on it until you have at least 500 miles on it. This is going to draw a ton a flack but I have done it and will do it again if the problem arises. Drain a quart of oil and put a quart of ATF in it, run it for 500 miles and then change your oil. Or if you are short on funds or time, just run it. Just an opinion and just because I do it doesn't mean you should. Give it at least 500 miles of mid range RPM running for the rings and seals to reseat.
RPM rising by it's self is normal when cold using no choke. Mine will come up about 4 or 500 RPM from cold to warm when using no choke. Using the choke it will idle up about the same amount to around 1500 RPM and drop to 1100 RPM +- when warm and choke off.
George
Quote from: the fan on August 28, 2014, 04:48:19 PM
It's most likely dried out/ leaking valve stem seals. It's possible that one or more of the bores has rusted or the rings are stuck but my money would be on valve seals.
Rising idle, while generally a vacuum issue, is likely a clogged passage in the idle circuit. If you have checked all of the vacuum lines including the ones connected to the petcock and advancer, I would reclean the carbs.
While syncing neither the petcock nor the igniter advance box is connected to a vacuum source, they are out of the mix. I thought that it's true that during synching one would not want anything bleeding vacuum from any "one" carb as that would taint the results of a "balanced" sync, yes/no?
As far as the valve stem seals go, that's exactly what I was thinking. All rubber on this bike is definitely showing signs of oxidation age; VOC depletion. Though I was also thinking of a stuck ring or two, which would definitely cause the engine to get hot fast, which it's doing. Once I turn it off you can hear all the creaking, popping and snapping, as the metal starts to shrink back down to it's former size. I actually tried to crack the plugs while it was hot and couldn't budge them until she was cool. Of course I could be forgetting how hot she used to get, thus unknowingly exaggerating how hot she's getting now.
I really just don't want to do anything wrong, then regret it, I've done enough of that already, 19 years worth! :dash2:
Thanks for your time, my friend!
FJ Forever! :drinks:
JoBrCo
Quote from: charleygofast on August 28, 2014, 05:07:30 PM
Quote from: the fan on August 28, 2014, 04:48:19 PM
It's most likely dried out/ leaking valve stem seals. It's possible that one or more of the bores has rusted or the rings are stuck but my money would be on valve seals.
Rising idle, while generally a vacuum issue, is likely a clogged passage in the idle circuit. If you have checked all of the vacuum lines including the ones connected to the petcock and advancer, I would reclean the carbs.
Kudos on the valve stem seals. Mine sat for 5 yrs and I had a smoking/oil burning issue when I brought her back to life...new seals and problems go away. Did you oil the cylinders and pistons good when you put her away? Very good Idea. Hope this helps,The Fan has it down on the carb cleaning Idle circuit idea also! Good luck to you! Charley.
Since the 19 years began, I mystery oiled each cylinder, about 1-2 tablespoons each, in the beginning, about 6 years ago, and about 2 weeks ago. In all cases I manually turned her over by hand to distribute the oil as much as I could, considering her slant, I guess I should have pushed her up a slight hill to compensate for that as well, but I didn't. In all three cases it turned smooth and easy.
Thanks Charley, I'll need it!
FJ Forever! :drinks:
JoBrCo
Quote from: movenon on August 28, 2014, 05:48:56 PM
I use to rebuild and restored old cars (lots of them). They almost always smoke like a pig if they have been sitting for a few years (or as in one case underwater). Not that there isn't a problem but I would not pass judgment on it until you have at least 500 miles on it. This is going to draw a ton a flack but I have done it and will do it again if the problem arises. Drain a quart of oil and put a quart of ATF in it, run it for 500 miles and then change your oil. Or if you are short on funds or time, just run it. Just an opinion and just because I do it doesn't mean you should. Give it at least 500 miles of mid range RPM running for the rings and seals to reseat.
RPM rising by it's self is normal when cold using no choke. Mine will come up about 4 or 500 RPM from cold to warm when using no choke. Using the choke it will idle up about the same amount to around 1500 RPM and drop to 1100 RPM +- when warm and choke off.
George
Thanks George, I've heard of the ATF fix for cars before, how about motorcycles and their wet clutch? And what's the idea? Does the ATF loosen rings and rejuvenate seals? That's my assumption.
FJ Forever! :drinks:
JoBrCo
In my MX days we used ATF to help a worn clutch make it through one last race... the idea was that the ATF would slightly swell the fiber plates and get you through the night. No idea if actually true... but it worked more than once.
Quote from: JoBrCo on August 28, 2014, 06:39:39 PM
Once I turn it off you can hear all the creaking, popping and snapping........ Of course I could be forgetting how hot she used to get, thus unknowingly exaggerating how hot she's getting now.
JoBrCo
It
is possible you have forgotten how hot it gets and how quickly, but the noises you mention are classic indications of an overheated motor.
Interestingly, I also have a motor that heats up much as you describe, both before and after a rebuild. It is not currently in service and I haven't figured out why yet but it was exactly the same before and after a rebore, pistons and rings.
On an air cooled motor there are not a lot of things that would contribute to this condition, particularly at idle where speed and load have no effect. I haven't really looked into yet but one thing I will be checking for is an obstruction to/in the oil cooler. I left the coolers attached to the motors when swapping.
I didn't realise how abnormal this was until I started using another motor. Of course they still get hot if not moving but at a rate more in keeping for expectations for an air cooled engine.
Noel
The ATF adds adds a little detergent factor. Possably helps your seals (it works in transmissions). I had no problem using it and others have probably used ATF before. Not a "do all" just helps with an old engine that hasn't been ran for a long time. It is an old bike and yes probably every rubber seal in it is hard to some degree but I wouldn't spend any money or time on those issues until you run it for a while barring any catastrophic leaks.
When you pulled the plugs how did they look? It would seem if your engine is getting that hot the plugs would be white? Might run a compression check just for reference. I can assume it will be low until the rings get reseated but it is nice to know the numbers.
Also if you don't get some good air flowing across the engine they will get hotter than hell in a short period of time. Have you just got on it and rode down the block and back ?
George
As already said, run it for a while and see if the seals tighten up. I resurrected a '78 KZ400 that sat in a dry desert shed with a tarp for 30 years and just about everything leaked at first. Now, after just riding it a few hundred miles, it's reduced to just a small drip at the kick starter seal.
Quote from: Maticuno on August 29, 2014, 01:48:06 PM
As already said, run it for a while and see if the seals tighten up. I resurrected a '78 KZ400 that sat in a dry desert shed with a tarp for 30 years and just about everything leaked at first. Now, after just riding it a few hundred miles, it's reduced to just a small drip at the kick starter seal.
This a good point, many things on a motor, and the rest of a bike, that has not been run for very long time "come good" after some use.
Noel
Quote from: ribbert on August 28, 2014, 07:37:13 PM
Quote from: JoBrCo on August 28, 2014, 06:39:39 PM
Once I turn it off you can hear all the creaking, popping and snapping........ Of course I could be forgetting how hot she used to get, thus unknowingly exaggerating how hot she's getting now.
JoBrCo
It is possible you have forgotten how hot it gets and how quickly, but the noises you mention are classic indications of an overheated motor.
Interestingly, I also have a motor that heats up much as you describe, both before and after a rebuild. It is not currently in service and I haven't figured out why yet but it was exactly the same before and after a rebore, pistons and rings.
On an air cooled motor there are not a lot of things that would contribute to this condition, particularly at idle where speed and load have no effect. I haven't really looked into yet but one thing I will be checking for is an obstruction to/in the oil cooler. I left the coolers attached to the motors when swapping.
I didn't realise how abnormal this was until I started using another motor. Of course they still get hot if not moving but at a rate more in keeping for expectations for an air cooled engine.
Noel
I noticed that the oil cooler is pretty cool while the rest of the engine is really hot. I'm thinking about removing it and flushing it with some kerosene. Yes/No? What do you guys think?
FJ Forever! :drinks:
JoBrCo
Quote from: JoBrCo on August 30, 2014, 12:13:53 AM
I noticed that the oil cooler is pretty cool while the rest of the engine is really hot. I'm thinking about removing it and flushing it with some kerosene. Yes/No? What do you guys think?
FJ Forever! :drinks:
JoBrCo
Can't hurt and it eliminates it as a possible cause. I've never come across one being blocked or partially blocked but that doesn't mean it can't happen, it just makes it unusual. I'll be checking mine for flow.
Not all engine problems fit into the "common faults" category.
Noel
Quote from: ribbert on August 30, 2014, 05:16:15 AM
Quote from: JoBrCo on August 30, 2014, 12:13:53 AM
I noticed that the oil cooler is pretty cool while the rest of the engine is really hot. I'm thinking about removing it and flushing it with some kerosene. Yes/No? What do you guys think?
FJ Forever! :drinks:
JoBrCo
Can't hurt and it eliminates it as a possible cause. I've never come across one being blocked or partially blocked but that doesn't mean it can't happen, it just makes it unusual. I'll be checking mine for flow.
Not all engine problems fit into the "common faults" category.
Noel
Do you mean the "rate of flow?" If so, or otherwise, what's your plan for checking "flow?" Meaning what tools, fittings or home made thingamabobs are you thinking on using to obtain such information. I was thinking of something as simple as a clear hose, to see if there was any flow at all. I haven't checked the engines schematic for the oil circuit yet, if there is such a thing in the GYSM, but I would imagine that the oil pump is connected directly to the inlet of the oil cooler, at least that would make the most sense to me, but then oil has to be pumped up to the DOHC's too. I've never cracked open the bikes engine before, and would rather not, actually, so I don't know the plumbing sequence of oil flow.
Rib, anyone?
FJ Forever! :drinks:
JoBrCo
The cooling fins on the cylinder head and the cylinder block, will heat up fairly quickly, as they are in direct contact with the combustion process..........................
The engine oil on the other hand, will take quite some time to heat up to operating temperature..........
On cool mornings, the oil in my FJ engine will sometimes take my whole commute (approx 25 minutes of in town, stop-and-go riding) before it reaches operating temperature......(190-200 degrees F)
More than likely, this is what you are experiencing when you start the engine and put your hand directly on the engine cooling fins, and then put your hand on the oil cooler..........The oil is probably not up to temperature yet.
The oil cooler is not on the main engine oil pump circuit. The pump for the oil cooler just circulates oil between the cooler and the oil pan.
Quote from: Firehawk068 on August 30, 2014, 05:00:06 PM
More than likely, this is what you are experiencing when you start the engine and put your hand directly on the engine cooling fins, and then put your hand on the oil cooler..........The oil is probably not up to temperature yet.
So Mr. firebird of prey, ;) that's what I was kind of thinking, I thought that it may even be under some kind of thermostat control in the pump.
Actually it's not just the cooling fins that I was talking about, obviously I knew that the metal around the combustion chamber would be the hottest, as well as the headers, been burnt many times due to complacency, :dash2:, but other parts get hotter than the oil cooler as well, like the cover for the "pickup coil governor" which really surprised me, because it's below the combustion chamber, adjacent to the sump.
In the end I think I'm just being way too paranoid. I really just don't want to frack this up right about now, it's just way to important to my wife's an my welfare, as our only running vehicle.
I made some important headway today, and ended up finally riding her around the block a couple times. There are still a few kinks to iron out though, before she's safe to ride, some of which I plan on taking care of tomorrow.
Quote from: FJ_Hooligan on August 30, 2014, 08:55:31 PM
The oil cooler is not on the main engine oil pump circuit. The pump for the oil cooler just circulates oil between the cooler and the oil pan.
Wow, I had no idea there were two mechanical pumps in the engine. I'm assuming that you've been inside the engine and done some work. Thanks for the info, Hooli, the mental picture of my bike keeps getting clearer and clearer.
Thanks to all you guys that take the time to help the "nervous mechanic," (me). I'm just feeling old and incompetent due to all the pressure we're currently experiencing, but she's gonna change all that...
...I just hope I don't kill myself in the process, I think the wife actually needs me sometimes! :yes: :sarcastic:
FJ Forever! :drinks:
JoBrCo
Congrats JoBro! Progress my man, getn that first ride after19yrs...epic,simply epic! I bet the memories are flooding you're brain into Maximum-Overdrive about now! Lotsa work but well worth the effort right? Dam about your car if you were closer I'd let you borrow one. Well, press on, gonna jam today with my childhood friend awesome keyboardist then go for a ride. (Hes got a sweet Bumble bee '76 CB750F) Maybe we'll try Red Barchetta...my Whisky/cigarette voice I'm no Geddy! Charley.
Quote from: charleygofast on August 31, 2014, 08:41:06 AM
Congrats JoBro! Progress my man, getn that first ride after19yrs...epic,simply epic! I bet the memories are flooding you're brain into Maximum-Overdrive about now! Lotsa work but well worth the effort right? Dam about your car if you were closer I'd let you borrow one. Well, press on, gonna jam today with my childhood friend awesome keyboardist then go for a ride. (Hes got a sweet Bumble bee '76 CB750F) Maybe we'll try Red Barchetta...my Whisky/cigarette voice I'm no Geddy! Charley.
A touch of the Prog Rock band Marillion maybe?
To say the least, I was elated, overjoyed, soaring high on the Silent Wings of Freedom, something inside, flying even higher still, almost to the Dark Side of the Moon, for I have dined on honeydew, and drunk the milk of paradise; she giving me emotional feedback on a timeless wavelength, bearing a gift beyond price, almost free.
Yes Charlie, it felt great, my trusty steed with its stock airbox and mufflers humming, with that familiar slight whistle, but trust me it's not even close to over yet. Not only am I going to continue tuning, but I have tons of cosmetic things to do, as well as general maintenance, replacing as much of the rubber as possible, etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum. What a wild ride it's gonna be! Sorry, didn't I tell you? I was Born to be Wild!
Yes, Maximum Overdrive, or maybe pushing for that Mind Drive.
Thanks for the friendly exuberance, at my inkling of success, it's much appreciated, a little bit of icing on the cake, to share the joy of riding the astral plane, trips around the bay, to be back the same day! No! Not Timothy Leary! ;)
I hope you and you childhood friend had fun pickin' and a grinin', a strumming, and a tickling those ebonies and ivories, those flats and sharps be just as important, depending upon the key. ;)
Later my fellow FJ'er and Guitar aficionado!
FJ Forever! :drinks:
JoBrCo (JoBro) ;)
Oh, and to everyone, "Have a great Labor Day!"
Had a great afternoon riding with Jimmy. Lotsa killer roads nearby, only wish I could ride em year round. Didnt have time for playin music...but it didnt matter! Hows the oil burning issue? Hope fully it'll loosen up and fix itself...might help to pray to the Gods of Internal Combustion. Hang it there man! Heres a pic of Jim and CB-F. Charley.
Quote from: charleygofast on September 01, 2014, 12:40:31 PM
Had a great afternoon riding with Jimmy. Lotsa killer roads nearby, only wish I could ride em year round. Didnt have time for playin music...but it didnt matter! Hows the oil burning issue? Hope fully it'll loosen up and fix itself...might help to pray to the Gods of Internal Combustion. Hang it there man! Heres a pic of Jim and CB-F. Charley.
Nice bikes, especially the red and white one, it somehow looks familiar. ;) :lol:
Not really burning oil, but it is dripping from the oil filter, (flattened O-rings), onto the exhaust, 4 into two, collector, and smoking from there. The new O-rings arrive tomorrow. I also purchased a head gasket and 8 of the head bolt rubber plugs from RPM. It is leaking slightly around #1 & 2 cylinders. While the cover is off, I'll finally do the valve adjustment, as the valve tool is coming soon as well.
I am having another problem though. After it gets hot after running for a while, the Idle raises slightly, and is hard to adjust to 1k. It seams like possibly a vacuum leak, but if so, I don't know where it's at. Someone said earlier that with heat, it sounds like some hole/crack is expanding, thus changing the A/F ratio. I have not changed either the intake manifold boots nor their o-rings yet. They seem sound though, because I've sprayed WD-40 around them, without an increase in idle speed, though it may not have been hot enough yet. It is frustrating. In time I guess. Unless someone has any ideas as to specific more likely causes/checks to perform so as to exclude possibilities, and narrow it down.
Alright everyone! If anyone has any ideas, I'm all ears!
FJ Forever! :drinks:
JoBrCo
A idling condition that increases as the engine gets warm, can mean that your idle mixture screws are set too rich.
Try leaning them out (turn in) 1/4 turn to see if that helps.
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 04, 2014, 06:18:43 PM
A idling condition that increases as the engine gets warm, can mean that your idle mixture screws are set too rich.
Try leaning them out (turn in) 1/4 turn to see if that helps.
Thanks Pat, I am having a problem setting them, and have temporarily set them all to 3 turns out. Of course as to my knowing what I'm doing, Randy's recent explanation as to the primary circuit, i.e., pilot jet, bleed air jet and mixture screw, has left me with more questions than it does answers. Not that I don't understand what he's saying, I do, but I really don't see that the orifice that the mixture screw opens is necessarily a constant either, which the thumb nail ensuring an initial flush setting, assumes. I used to be a machinist for a short time and know how different parts with different tolerances come off the line. The problem he mentioned deals with the screw holes depth, the tapping process allowing the screw to reach varying depths, but one has to consider diameter as well, which also varies from part to part, not the screw hole, but the one the screw is opening/closing to vary the quantity of fuel/air.
I'm seriously considering buying a ColorTune device, or is that actually a ColourTune, seeing as how it's British, I say there old chap, cheerio! :biggrin:
Thanks again, I'll fiddle with it in small increments tomorrow.
I just love this food for thoughts you guys dish up! ;)
FJ Forever! :drinks:
JoBrCo
You really need to stop over thinking everything. A lot of the advice on here comes from decades of experience with these motorcycles.
It's okay to question the advice. But to continue to question EVERYTHING is getting a little tiresome. Try some of the recommendations and see if it works before you over analyze it to death. Asking a question then disagreeing with someone's "solicited" opinion by siting some internet search results makes me wonder why you even ask the question.
Sometimes we might not be able to explain why the universe spins in the direction that it does. That doesn't mean that our firsthand experiences are necessarily invalid just because it doesn't agree with your preconceived notion or something someone else wrote on the internet.
BTW, the Colortune is worthless. The blip test is far more accurate. But go ahead and spend your money
Quote from: FJ_Hooligan on September 04, 2014, 09:26:47 PMYou really need to stop over thinking everything. A lot of the advice on here comes from decades of experience with these motorcycles.
You do realize that you are asking me to stop being me, right? What if I asked you to stop being you? Would that offend you? There are things you don't know about me, that are why I am as I am, that you probably wouldn't want to hear. Hooli, either you can tolerate me or not. I've really valued your giving me time, truly I have, but you can always ignore me if I'm that much of a bother. No I'm not being ungrateful, just don't like feeling bad about myself, I've had enough of that during the first 17 years of my life. I have no time for people attempting to make me feel guilty for being me.
Quote from: FJ_Hooligan on September 04, 2014, 09:26:47 PMIt's okay to question the advice. But to continue to question EVERYTHING is getting a little tiresome. Try some of the recommendations and see if it works before you over analyze it to death. Asking a question then disagreeing with someone's "solicited" opinion by siting some internet search results makes me wonder why you even ask the question.
No hooli it's all about sequence, my friend. I didn't set anyone up, with knowledge I already had, then asking them the question just to slap them in the face with that which I already knew, not at all. I'm actually a pretty smart guy, according to my IQ tests. When I hear someone use words that I know the meaning of, and they are contradictory, I seek other avenues, then I either find the same info, or conflicting info, and in either case I believe it's important to relay that info back to those that seem to have it wrong, I feel that I owe them that much! To me it's not about who is right or wrong, rather all that matters is the truth of the day. I'm not here to compete, rather only to find the truth.
Quote from: FJ_Hooligan on September 04, 2014, 09:26:47 PMSometimes we might not be able to explain why the universe spins in the direction that it does. That doesn't mean that our firsthand experiences are necessarily invalid just because it doesn't agree with your preconceived notion or something someone else wrote on the internet.
I agree, and that applies to everyone just the same! Some people, at any particular time in their life, seem to be more adept at recognizing the truth when it presents, at other times they're not. For instance, I believe I may have found the reason for the petcock SNAFU, that causes the pressed in fitting to fall out, sending fuel all over the engine, potentially making the rider Johnny Torch. So far I've not seen anyone present a potential why of it happening. Of course I could be wrong, as I haven't verified it yet! Which is why I haven't said anything.
Quote from: FJ_Hooligan on September 04, 2014, 09:26:47 PMBTW, the Colortune is worthless. The blip test is far more accurate. But go ahead and spend your money
Cool, am I to understand that you've actually had an experience with one of them? If so, what specifically did you find as it's problem? The reason I have a problem with the blip test is that it can't differentiate between the cylinders; there is no indication of which cylinder requires tweaking, so it's a guessing game of hit and miss. So one can easily screw up a cyl that was perfect, only to find out much later with continued fiddling. The colortune, on the other hand, allows one to see exactly which cylinder is richer or leaner, all one has to do is place it in every cylinder, one at a time, then they're done, "from Yellow, to just Blue" is perfect, so they say. That is if what they say is true. I've watched a youtube video that surely seems to verify their claim.
I'm not pissed, you have your opinion and I have mine.
FJ Forever! :drinks:
JoBrCo
(popcorn)
explaination: "first 17 years of my life"
Quote from: FJ_Hooligan on September 04, 2014, 09:26:47 PM
BTW, the Colortune is worthless.
I think I acquired one of those setups with the purchase of an MG a while back. Haven't had the time to try it out. One day...
Steve
(popcorn)
While I admire your quest for perfection and the truth, I also wonder how you sleep at night. Being the father of 3 teenagers is more than enough for me to worry about.
You don't need a full error budget of the idle mixture circuit tolerances to know what works for adjusting it. Is it perfect? No! But this isn't brain surgery.
For the Colortune, I have not personally used one but based on the opinion of people that I trust I decided that they aren't worth it. Maybe they redesigned them but the original ones were very hard to read. It had to be at night with the lights out in order to see the flame. If it gets me 100% perfect it's probably still not worth the cost or effort to me when I can get ~98% there with the blip test.
I once paid a dealer to set my mixture screws using an exhaust gas analyzer. That should have been perfection. Unfortunately it was just a waste of $50. Motor surged and stumbled at low throttle. Went straight home and readjusted them to what works in the real world.
For the petcock, what caused mine to come apart was the pulling and twisting to remove the fuel hose. That eventually loosened the outlet pipe enough to where it would fall out.
I also have a small exhaust gas analyzer and it is hard to use on an FJ. You really need a 4 probe unit and set it up to each cylinder to tell you much and they are old school There is an art to reading them also. I just use the blip method. There is a little learning curve (practice) using that method but now I can zero in pretty good. Close enough anyhow.
George
Quote from: FJ_Hooligan on September 05, 2014, 02:47:40 PM
For the petcock, what caused mine to come apart was the pulling and twisting to remove the fuel hose. That eventually loosened the outlet pipe enough to where it would fall out.
Perfect lead in for my yearly safety announcement:
Read this thread for my tale of woe, that lead to the untimely and fiery death of my '85 FJ1100, all due to that little outlet pipe coming loose while riding:
http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=7647.msg68686#msg68686 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=7647.msg68686#msg68686)
Twist-tie and glue those outlets folks!
Dan
Quote from: FJ_Hooligan on September 05, 2014, 02:47:40 PM
While I admire your quest for perfection and the truth, I also wonder how you sleep at night. Being the father of 3 teenagers is more than enough for me to worry about. (JoBrCo: Now you're on to something, I don't much, and I and my wife are empty nester's. It's the state of the human, so called, civilization/societal construct, that has me tossing and turning.)
You don't need a full error budget of the idle mixture circuit tolerances to know what works for adjusting it. Is it perfect? No! But this isn't brain surgery. (JoBrCo: spoken by a man that has figured it out and is now comfortable with it, to a man that is, as he once was, unknowing, and uncomfortable.)
For the Colortune, I have not personally used one but based on the opinion of people that I trust I decided that they aren't worth it. Maybe they redesigned them but the original ones were very hard to read. It had to be at night with the lights out in order to see the flame. If it gets me 100% perfect it's probably still not worth the cost or effort to me when I can get ~98% there with the blip test.
(JoBrCo: Thanks for the facts Hooli, for me, they shed far more light, than your previous comments on the gizmo.)
I once paid a dealer to set my mixture screws using an exhaust gas analyzer. That should have been perfection. Unfortunately it was just a waste of $50. Motor surged and stumbled at low throttle. Went straight home and readjusted them to what works in the real world.
(JoBrCo: Aware of it well, once bitten twice shy, especially when it comes to money, I'm no rich man by any American measure. OK maybe to those living in a box under an expressway overpass, I'm rich, and that's about it! So I'm lucky; {<-relativity}?)
For the petcock, what caused mine to come apart was the pulling and twisting to remove the fuel hose. That eventually loosened the outlet pipe enough to where it would fall out.
(JoBrCo: I have found something else at work too, shrinking/growing tolerances, it was actually quite uncanny, that she doesn't fit together as closely as she once did. I'm now quite sure it's to do with those components that once contained far more VOC's than they now do, i.e. plastics and rubbers.)
Again Hooli, you deliver without obvious discontent, a good man in my book, with much tolerance for the differences between us, no one's perfect. I'm certainly not, though as I'm sure you've guessed by now, I am a perfectionist: One that, although not perfect, always seeks it, as that's the only way they believe they can do what's adequate.
The ones eating popcorn, say both something
good and
bad.
The
good: That they believe "they know" the "common" disposition of the "group," and that "loose cannons" are being tugged at, by one just being "themselves." A "heads up," if you will, for the one merely being themselves, with absolutely "no" pointedness aimed at anyone.
The
bad?? "Often" a "preconceived, unenlightened notion" that "anyone" is a "standard" human with which "all" others "must" be "compared," and that "often," they themselves "exemplify" such a human, when in fact "there is no such thing," as there are "only ever," "ever varying differences" between us all, it's just that, on any one "particular" point, it would "seem" some of us agree, but what does that "really" say, "only" a psychologist "might know" for "certain," or maybe a very wise philosopher.
So then, should the "mob" really rule? Or is it just "fear" supreme?
Some of my favorite lines, from one of my favorite songs: "Witch Hunt," by Rush:
"The mob moves like demons possessed.
Quiet in conscience, calm in their right,
Confident their ways are best."
"The righteous rise
With burning eyes
Of hatred and ill-will.
Madmen fed on fear and lies
To beat and burn and kill."
"Those who "know" what's best for us
Must rise and save us from ourselves."
"Quick to judge,
Quick to anger,
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand..."
And that about sums up the truth of things.
(popcorn) (popcorn) ;)
FJ Forever! :drinks:
JoBrCo
Quote from: Arnie on September 05, 2014, 10:23:23 AM
(popcorn)
explaination: "first 17 years of my life"
Come on arnie, with that popcorn in hand, you're certainly not ready for a PTSD since the age of 4 diagnosis from a VA Psychologist as well as another one of suffering from anxiety these days, because of the PTSD, and apparently a belief of no purpose. And certainly not ready for the story of a 13 year old experiencing the ramifications of a 44 magnum and someones head at point blank range, with brains and skull fragments spattered all over the room. Certainly not, as it shall surely taint the flavor of that popped corn. Of course spectators at a safe distance are certainly disconnected, just like a drama on TV, requiring no empathy whatsoever.
(popcorn) (popcorn)
A spectacle, crunch, crunch! Something to be amused by? Easy, the spectator, with no actualization of the spectacle at hand, as they can't "know" it for themselves. The laughter of fear, to stave off the deamons.
FJ Forever! :drinks:
JoBrCo
Quote from: movenon on September 05, 2014, 06:25:20 PM
I also have a small exhaust gas analyzer and it is hard to use on an FJ. You really need a 4 probe unit and set it up to each cylinder to tell you much and they are old school There is an art to reading them also. I just use the blip method. There is a little learning curve (practice) using that method but now I can zero in pretty good. Close enough anyhow.
George
Yes George, you got it, you experienced with the blip, me where you were when you first heard it's name uttered, uncertain, wondering if there can be anything more certain, so my bumbling hands don't screw things up any more than 19 years has caused, I the inexperienced of blip, full of regret, and uncertainty, and she couldn't be more important to me and my wife right about now.
But the oil thing is much better, only dripping on the exhaust now, due to flattened o-rings in the OEM oil filter assembly.
FJ Forever! :drinks:
JoBrCo