Hello I am from California and am considering a new bike here in the next week. I currently ride a gs850 and feel the bike is a bit smallish for me. I am six feet four inches tall. The ride is great but I feel cramped in the leg dept, riding for very long gets a bit painful in my left hip and I have no wind protection so I get burned out.
So I am buying a bike this week. I am choosing between two bikes. The 1991 fj 1200 with 33k miles in mint condition with upgraded front and rear suspension new, new tires, bar risers, corbin seat and an extra inch lower in the foot pegs. Did I mention the bike is mint very clean garage kept. The guy is asking 3k.
The other bike I am considering is a 2002 concours. 60k miles it also has suspension mod, new tires, well maintained, heated grips, gps, radio, three wind screens full luggage with trunk two way communication system for driver and passenger. 3300
I am switching bikes because I want more wind protection and more comfort for long rides. Also I want bags luggage because of the utility, I ride to estimates, school etc I would like to be able to carry my stuff with out a back back.
The fj does not come with any luggage. I am torn based on performance and comfort. I like the connie for all its accessories. But it has higher mileage. I could always buy luggage for the fj. What are the benefits of the fj over the concours?
What do memebers here think? Does the fj blow the connie away. I like wind protection how much can I get on the fj. I dont want total wind protection but 80 percent maybe. I dont want to boil on hot days.
Any help would be great.
Hey and welcome to the forum! Where in California are you? Lots of riders out here for get-togethers/rallys.
That '91 FJ1200 would be an excellent comfort choice given the rubber engine mounts, upgraded suspension, Corbin seat and wind protection. I'm 6'2" (with proportionally long legs) and am very comfortable on my '92. I knocked out a just over 17,000 mile road trip last year...You can read about it here if you're bored:
http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=10252.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=10252.0)
There were moments on the trip where I wished for a few more modern features, but they were just that...moments. By the end of the trip, with all things considered...I couldn't imagine a better bike to do 400 mile days for a months on end.
Take a look around here...there's a great community as well to help support your ride!
Good luck with your decision!
Cap'n Ron. . .
Quote from: Capn Ron on November 17, 2013, 07:09:40 PM
Hey and welcome to the forum! Where in California are you? Lots of riders out here for get-togethers/rallys.
That '91 FJ1200 would be an excellent comfort choice given the rubber engine mounts, upgraded suspension, Corbin seat and wind protection. I'm 6'2" (with proportionally long legs) and am very comfortable on my '92. I knocked out a just over 17,000 mile road trip last year...You can read about it here if you're bored:
http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=10252.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=10252.0)
There were moments on the trip where I wished for a few more modern features, but they were just that...moments. By the end of the trip, with all things considered...I couldn't imagine a better bike to do 400 mile days for a months on end.
Take a look around here...there's a great community as well to help support your ride!
Good luck with your decision!
Cap'n Ron. . .
Hello Cap n
I wonder how smooth the ride is compared to an 1982 gs 850? The bike I have now is smooth but I have not ridden many bikes to know how smooth the ride can get. Do you think it would be smoother? The suzuki is a shaft drive.
I spend way more time ridding day trips vs. weekends and the FJ is way better for me as it is sportier than the Kawi. I might think differently if I spent more time on longer trips. Capt'n Ron has shown us all the FJ can be loaded up and taken on epic rides. The luggage is already there on the Kawi. A serious consideration depends on if you like be your own mechanic. The FJ is very easy to maintain and upgrade. The engine is nearly bullet proof, one member here has over 300K on his original unopened engine. So an FJ with 60K is just breaking in. We are also spoiled because we have Randy at www.rpmracingca.com (http://www.rpmracingca.com) developing well designed custom parts to make our FJs way better than OEM, modern in fact. Plus this group is the most supportive that I ever met. Spend some more time browsing around here, you will a get feel that many of us are like family and this is one big digital campfire. I was plesanty shocked :shok: to find many like myself here like the pay it forward way of helping. Depending on where you are in SoCal you can meet a few local FJowners. If you choose the Kawi you are still welcome to hang out here, not all that contribute own FJs. They just like it here. Cheers mate.
I know for me, it wouldn't be a question!
But I understand how it could be for others.
The FJ is truly a performance engine, and it feels that way. The Concours is a little heavier than the FJ, looks like it has a little better protection from the elements... Other than that, it seems to be:
corbin + lowered footpegs + bar risers + upgraded front suspension + mint
vs.
new tires + luggage you won't have to hunt for + comset
gps/radio/heated grips shouldn't come into the equation--smart phone and a bluetooth helmet does radio and gps, and heated grips can be installed yourself aftermarket cheaply and with little fuss.
That $300 difference will go a fair ways towards equalizing the difference on the FJ, and it sounds like it's already kind of in better shape. If you want hard luggage, you will have to hunt a little bit, but it's out there. Soft luggage can work pretty well, though.
Since you mention leg room as a primary concern, the risers and lowered pegs sound like particularly compelling points.
And, I may be biased, but I have always thought concourses felt a little soul-less. The FJ instills passions in a way a concours never could for me...
I'd go for the FJ if I were you. That's my two cents, take it for what it's worth.
QuoteThe 1991 fj 1200 with 33k miles in mint condition with upgraded front and rear suspension new, new tires, bar risers, corbin seat and an extra inch lower in the foot pegs. Did I mention the bike is mint very clean garage kept. The guy is asking 3k.
The other bike I am considering is a 2002 concours. 60k miles it also has suspension mod, new tires, well maintained, heated grips, gps, radio, three wind screens full luggage with trunk two way communication system for driver and passenger. 3300
I am switching bikes because I want more wind protection and more comfort for long rides. Also I want bags luggage because of the utility, I ride to estimates, school etc I would like to be able to carry my stuff with out a back back.
Also:
I've driven a shaft that was supposedly a slight step up or at least equal (the yamaha xj650) to the GS850 (I almost got a '79 of that bike, but picked the XJ instead at the time). I also read a lot about those old GS's. I would say from what I've read about the later model FJ's, that if everything is in good order, it will likely be substantially smoother than the GS. A chain just takes more maintenance than a shaft--oiling once every thousand miles or so instead of once every decade (:P) and checking tension as necessary. Not a big deal, but something you don't have to worry about with a shaft.
My 2 cents..... :mail1:
Both bikes are Sport Tourers. They are on opposite ends of the spectrum from each other. The Connie leans more towards the full bagged touring and the FJ leans more towards the Sport side. The 91'-93' F's have the largest fairings of all the F's. I can give you a comparison with the fairing size....
I have 87' and 89' FJ's. The 87' has the smallest of the 1200 fairings. While riding it is noticeably smaller than the 89'. The windscreen is not as high, my hands on the bars are in the wind. The 89' fairing is 2 inches taller and 2 inches wider with turn signal bulges that are almost in line with the handle bars. In 50 degree weather I can wear summer gloves, my hands are out of the wind and comfortable. I have not ridden a 91'-93' FJ, but the 91's fairing is much larger than my 89's fairing. It should give great wind protection, but not so much as to roast you in the summer.
As already been mentioned, with bar risers, lowered pegs, and a Corbin seat. That should take care of most comfort items. The other thing to consider would be a standard, touring/flip, and vario windscreens. Self maintenance is a breeze for most mechanically inclined owners. No fancy electronics to short out. With Randy at RPM, OEM and custom parts are easily gotten. About everything that can happen to a FJ has been bestowed on the collective members here. The wealth of knowledge and willingness to share is Priceless.
The $300.00 difference in price can go towards a set of hard luggage. Used sets do come up for sale occasionally. I have $500.00 invested in my used hard luggage which included shipping from Canada.
Photos in full touring mode
(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/aviationfred/6344e013-847b-424f-8427-b7b902383497_zpsd8d960d0.jpg) (http://s119.photobucket.com/user/aviationfred/media/6344e013-847b-424f-8427-b7b902383497_zpsd8d960d0.jpg.html)
(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/aviationfred/0c1a5ad4-f6de-42ad-b82c-9becc2f1a55f_zps43737657.jpg) (http://s119.photobucket.com/user/aviationfred/media/0c1a5ad4-f6de-42ad-b82c-9becc2f1a55f_zps43737657.jpg.html)
Fairing size comparison, my 89' and another members 93'. The 91' that is in consideration has the same size fairing as the 93'
(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/aviationfred/799e39a6-71c0-444a-abd8-906e179f6700_zps4186e279.jpg) (http://s119.photobucket.com/user/aviationfred/media/799e39a6-71c0-444a-abd8-906e179f6700_zps4186e279.jpg.html)
Fred
The Connie is slower, and heavier (680lbs) than the FJs but they are very, very good motorcycles.
The Connie's 6 speed gearbox (vs FJ's 5 speed) 7.5 gallons of fuel (vs 5.5) shaft drive (vs chain) water cooled (vs air) slightly smoother with a counter balance shaft (none on the FJ) easier valve adjustments, screw adjusters (vs shim over bucket) factory hard bags, better wind protection.
Both bikes have carbs....(bummer) so sooner or later you will have to get to them and clean them, I think the FJ carbs are very accessible with UniPod filters, I don't know about the Connie.
The Connie is a very, very good bike and has a tremendously loyal following. *Almost* as good as our FJs.
For a sport tourer, the Connie leans more towards the touring end of the spectrum.
The Lighter, faster FJ, leans more towards the sporting end of the spectrum.
Great posts so far. After reading them I am more inclined to get the fj. I am worried about the connie buzz as well.
In regards to the gearing on the fj. How smooth is the ride lets say at 80 mph? What kind of rpms is the bike doing there. I wonder which bike seems to work harder at higher speeds?
Also I would say I would be doing more commuting than
touring. I may do a tour though but it is not my main purpose in buying the motorcycle.
My good friend bought an '06 (I think it's an '06) last year. He hates the 6 speed tranny. The hard bags are flopping around at speeds over 80, enough to upset the ride.
I've driven it. It does provide more protection from the wind. I feel like I'm sitting in the Concourse, and on the FJ. I don't think it handles very well at all. It's definitely a big road touring bike, it really doesn't feel sporty. I find a Gold Wing handles and feels way better than the 10-gen Concourse. I'd go for the FJ and find some hard bags.
Quote from: aviationfred on November 17, 2013, 08:37:50 PM
My 2 cents..... :mail1:
Both bikes are Sport Tourers. They are on opposite ends of the spectrum from each other. The Connie leans more towards the full bagged touring and the FJ leans more towards the Sport side. The 91'-93' F's have the largest fairings of all the F's. I can give you a comparison with the fairing size....
I have 87' and 89' FJ's. The 87' has the smallest of the 1200 fairings. While riding it is noticeably smaller than the 89'. The windscreen is not as high, my hands on the bars are in the wind. The 89' fairing is 2 inches taller and 2 inches wider with turn signal bulges that are almost in line with the handle bars. In 50 degree weather I can wear summer gloves, my hands are out of the wind and comfortable. I have not ridden a 91'-93' FJ, but the 91's fairing is much larger than my 89's fairing. It should give great wind protection, but not so much as to roast you in the summer.
As already been mentioned, with bar risers, lowered pegs, and a Corbin seat. That should take care of most comfort items. The other thing to consider would be a standard, touring/flip, and vario windscreens. Self maintenance is a breeze for most mechanically inclined owners. No fancy electronics to short out. With Randy at RPM, OEM and custom parts are easily gotten. About everything that can happen to a FJ has been bestowed on the collective members here. The wealth of knowledge and willingness to share is Priceless.
The $300.00 difference in price can go towards a set of hard luggage. Used sets do come up for sale occasionally. I have $500.00 invested in my used hard luggage which included shipping from Canada.
Photos in full touring mode
I like that luggage. I am partial to the square luggage, real nice. Good insight. All posts have been great.
(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/aviationfred/6344e013-847b-424f-8427-b7b902383497_zpsd8d960d0.jpg) (http://s119.photobucket.com/user/aviationfred/media/6344e013-847b-424f-8427-b7b902383497_zpsd8d960d0.jpg.html)
(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/aviationfred/0c1a5ad4-f6de-42ad-b82c-9becc2f1a55f_zps43737657.jpg) (http://s119.photobucket.com/user/aviationfred/media/0c1a5ad4-f6de-42ad-b82c-9becc2f1a55f_zps43737657.jpg.html)
Fairing size comparison, my 89' and another members 93'. The 91' that is in consideration has the same size fairing as the 93'
(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/aviationfred/799e39a6-71c0-444a-abd8-906e179f6700_zps4186e279.jpg) (http://s119.photobucket.com/user/aviationfred/media/799e39a6-71c0-444a-abd8-906e179f6700_zps4186e279.jpg.html)
Fred
Quote from: rockhammer on November 17, 2013, 09:05:57 PM
Great posts so far. After reading them I am more inclined to get the fj. I am worried about the connie buzz as well.
In regards to the gearing on the fj. How smooth is the ride lets say at 80 mph? What kind of rpms is the bike doing there. I wonder which bike seems to work harder at higher speeds?
You can change the sprockets on the FJ to accommodate the type of performance you want. It's got plenty of torque. I've gone to an 18 front and a 38 rear from a 17/42 stock gearing. BTW, I find 80 is where it feels the best.
Quote from: rockhammer on November 17, 2013, 09:05:57 PM
In regards to the gearing on the fj. How smooth is the ride lets say at 80 mph? What kind of rpms is the bike doing there. I wonder which bike seems to work harder at higher speeds?
I have 18/38 gearing on my 89'. I commute and ride around the city with it. I find the torque is more than enough for the tall gearing. My speedo bounces a bit at higher speeds. Riding with others on the interstate at 80mph indicates close to 4500 rpm.
The FJ never seems to work hard in any situation. Fully loaded luggage, big saddlebags sticking out, cruising 75-80mph for hours on end and getting 50+ mpg on the highway.
The 91' has rubber engine mounts. Smooths out a lot of vibrations. Also Randy at RPM www.RPMRacingCA.com (http://www.rpmracingca.com) has bar end vibranators. I have a set, they work wonderful to dampen handle bar vibration.
Fred
Quote from: rockhammer on November 17, 2013, 09:11:00 PM
Also I would say I would be doing more commuting than
touring. I may do a tour though but it is not my main purpose in buying the motorcycle.
The FJ1200 is truly a "sport touring" bike rather than a "touring" bike. That doesn't mean you can't gear up and log some 600 mile days on her in this trim:
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/6/697_27_10_13_12_55_48_2.jpeg)
Or just cruise around the twisty mountain roads in this trim with a place to throw in your jacket and pant liners if you ride into the wee hours:
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/6/697_09_11_13_2_13_54.jpeg)
Or no hard cases at all for a quick run down PCH:
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/3/697_12_04_12_3_36_16.jpeg)
The FJ has plenty of torque to spare so you can roll along in fifth gear most of the day...and handles great in the twisty stuff to have you working through the gears if you want. It's hard for me to imagine a more versatile bike.
Cap'n Ron. . .
Quote from: rockhammer on November 17, 2013, 09:14:05 PM
......All posts have been great.
See the quality you get when you hang with the FJ folks?
Try this, ask the same question over here: http://forum.cog-online.org/ (http://forum.cog-online.org/)
I'm 6'3" and still have my first real bike, a '78 GS750, a great, great bike for it's time.
FJ all the way.
The Connie seems to be an excellent tool; but which one would you turn around and look at as you walked away?
(BTW, I have a Hepco-Becker top box on mine, dramatically increases any bike's utility.) :good:
Quote from: airheadPete on November 18, 2013, 02:01:40 AM
......but which one would you turn around and look at as you walked away?
oooooh, that's good Pete....and very true.
Thanks FJ members for all your input. I have decided on the fj and will be picking her up this weekend. Once I do I will update my profile. Oh btw Cap'n I am out of Corona Ca.
Best
Sounds like it is time for a run to Palomar to meet and ride with our new member.
Quote from: FJmonkey on November 18, 2013, 02:17:28 PM
Sounds like it is time for a run to Palomar to meet and ride with our new member.
Yeah...that sounds about right! :good2:
Cap'n Ron. . .
Hello
So one last question. Any one have any thoughts on the st1100? Just curious because this would be the only other bike I would possibly consider.
Quote from: FJmonkey on November 18, 2013, 02:17:28 PM
Sounds like it is time for a run to Palomar to meet and ride with our new member.
At least try not to scare him off like the last one....... :rofl:
Joe
Same comments as the Connie.
The ST is a big heavy bike, slower than the FJ, but with the V4 much smoother than both the FJ and Connie.
For long distance tours the ST is hands down better, for canyon carving duties much worse than the FJ.
The only bike I would consider replacing my versatile FJ with would need:
1) a big gas tank, 6.5 gallons minimum
2) fuel injection
3) water cooled
4) six speed tranny
5) it must weigh less than our 550 lb bikes, around 450 lbs wet would be great
6) it must have at least 85-95 ft/lbs of torque, 140-160rwhp.
7) fully adjustable suspension, high/low compression/rebound. ESA would be cool.
Oh yea,
8 ) it must not look like a dog turd. IMHO, the FJ is one of the most beautiful bikes made.
Quote from: rockhammer on November 18, 2013, 05:39:56 PM
Any one have any thoughts on the st1100?
I rented a 2009ish ST1300 in Nashville and rode it for a full 300mi kind of day. Very competent, but very BLAH.... pretty far from sporty, soft and squishy suspension, decent luggage and comfort level. I think for pure touring it might be a little better than an FJ, but not a good commuter, lane splitter, run around kind of bike... too ponderous for that. Not sure how it compares to an 1100?
I think your initial description sounds more FJ to me. I commute one day, blast the redwoods the next, then load the top box and wife onboard and head for Big Sur. Awesome bikes!
Frank
Quote from: Pat Conlon on November 18, 2013, 06:10:56 PM
The only bike I would consider replacing my versatile FJ with would need:
1) a big gas tank, 6.5 gallons minimum
2) fuel injection
3) water cooled
4) six speed tranny
5) it must weigh less than our 550 lb bikes, around 450 lbs wet would be great
6) it must have at least 85-95 ft/lbs of torque, 140-160rwhp.
7) fully adjustable suspension, high/low compression/rebound. ESA would be cool.
8 ) it must not look like a dog turd. IMHO, the FJ is one of the most beautiful bikes made.
You are a Hypermotard man... My '08 1100 Ducati Hyper graded on your criteria:
1. 6.4 gal, 250+ mile range
2. check... really excellent fueling overall
3. nope... another air-cooled bike, but they're simple and this one has integrated temp gauge and warning (never seen it)
4. check
5. 380lb wet
6. check on torque... you won't care about Hp
7. check, USD front, Ohlins rear
8. you be the judge:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8526/8552900609_483a002d15_c.jpg)
Makes a great compliment to the FJ.
Frank
Quote from: Flynt on November 18, 2013, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on November 18, 2013, 06:10:56 PM
The only bike I would consider replacing my versatile FJ with would need:
1) a big gas tank, 6.5 gallons minimum
2) fuel injection
3) water cooled
4) six speed tranny
5) it must weigh less than our 550 lb bikes, around 450 lbs wet would be great
6) it must have at least 85-95 ft/lbs of torque, 140-160rwhp.
7) fully adjustable suspension, high/low compression/rebound. ESA would be cool.
8 ) it must not look like a dog turd. IMHO, the FJ is one of the most beautiful bikes made.
You are a Hypermotard man... My '08 1100 Ducati Hyper graded on your criteria:
1. 6.4 gal, 250+ mile range
2. check... really excellent fueling overall
3. nope... another air-cooled bike, but they're simple and this one has integrated temp gauge and warning (never seen it)
4. check
5. 380lb wet
6. check on torque... you won't care about Hp
7. check, USD front, Ohlins rear
8. you be the judge:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8526/8552900609_483a002d15_c.jpg)
Makes a great compliment to the FJ.
Frank
Does the dry clutch make a mess with dust? If so you know that won't do with Pat.
not much dust from clutch... Pat need's more to polish anyway.
Frank
For me it's the awful noise of a dry clutch... They sell kits to convert them to wet clutch, though, from what I understand.
I used to think so highly of ducatti, as if it were some unobtainable far and away performance brand. A friend bought a monster. I test rode it for him. Total disappointment for me. Such a boring ride. So much torque, so little usable unless you were pulling a trailer. Just felt cumbersome. And rough. Ugh. I'm sure their performance crotch rockets must be different, but... I was not impressed.
And that GOD AWFUL DRY CLUTCH NOISE?!?! How do people DEAL with that???
Quote from: Pat Conlon on November 18, 2013, 06:10:56 PM
Same comments as the Connie.
The ST is a big heavy bike, slower than the FJ, but with the V4 much smoother than both the FJ and Connie.
For long distance tours the ST is hands down better, for canyon carving duties much worse than the FJ.
The only bike I would consider replacing my versatile FJ with would need:
1) a big gas tank, 6.5 gallons minimum
2) fuel injection
3) water cooled
4) six speed tranny
5) it must weigh less than our 550 lb bikes, around 450 lbs wet would be great
6) it must have at least 85-95 ft/lbs of torque, 140-160rwhp.
7) fully adjustable suspension, high/low compression/rebound. ESA would be cool.
Oh yea,
8 ) it must not look like a dog turd. IMHO, the FJ is one of the most beautiful bikes made.
Pat
The BMW K1300S ticks many of your boxes: 503lbs (dry) 560lbs (wet), FI, water cooled, Six speed tranny, 175HP, 103 ft/lbs, the tank is only 5 gallons though, with a 1 gallon reserve, adjustable everything on the suspension (on the fly) but the single-sided swing arm, traction control, and quick shifter are cool too. It does have shaft drive, which you did not order, and it sure as hell is not cheap ($18K).
You really should give one a test ride at some point, a fine machine for sure. I only rode one for a couple of miles, not nearly enough, but it felt like a modern, more refined, stronger, black bird.
Doesn't look like a turd either:
(http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2009models/2009-BMW-K1300Sd.jpg)
Dan
Good evening,
"Blast the Redwoods..."
"Blast" is the operative word when riding with Mr. B...!
I believe "epic" as in a memorable ride was also used.
Ride safe.
It's funny Dan, that Frank sold his K1300 shortly after assembling the 1350 Wizard. Wonder why? I've been reading about them, but never ridden one.
The Duc would be fun. I've never thought about it being a long distance bike, but it looks like it could do the job.
Unfortunately the closest Ducati dealer is in San Diego, 2 hours away.
I fell in love with Gary Mastro's Aprilla Falco/Tuono hybrid riding thru the redwoods from Leggett out to the coast. So light, flickable. No need for brakes with that 1000cc twin, just roll off the gas and the compression will slow you down. With six speed tranny, that twin was smooth as silk on the slab.
Interesting that Yamaha has the new 850 triple coming out although it needs a bigger tank.
A upgraded version of that triple in 1200cc with a larger tank and hard bags would fill the bill.
For now, I'm holding on to my FJ's....something I've been saying for 30 years ... Pat
Quote from: Dan Filetti on November 18, 2013, 07:25:25 PM
The BMW K1300S ticks many of your boxes...
Yep. Had one and it is an awesome bike. Excellent luggage system, all the electronic stuff, and went like stink.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7348/10936326053_c9b252445f_c.jpg)
Current revision of Wizard won the fight, so my K13S got swapped for the Duc.
Frank
Quote from: Pat Conlon on November 18, 2013, 07:48:41 PM
Wonder why?
Wizard and the K13S were for the same purpose... sporty touring. My FJ is so tuned to my taste that I'd ride it for everything and the Beemer became a show piece. I wanted a very different bike so the "horses for courses" approach would determine which bike goes. The FJ can do anything the Duc can and vice versa, but they are at their best on different types of rides. Twisty, bumpy, switchback filled run to Mt Hamilton = Duc. Sweeping, smooth, higher speed runs with some slab transit and you're picking the FJ.
The FJ still gets more miles cause I love it so much. The Duc goes to work on Fridays and goes on the redwood blast every couple of weeks. FJ goes to work other days and gets a weekly thrashing like Mike experienced last week.
That's why...
Frank
Quote from: fintip on November 18, 2013, 07:05:58 PM
GOD AWFUL DRY CLUTCH NOISE?!?! How do people DEAL with that???
My FJ is loud too with the flatsides clattering and the Akra thumping... The Duc is just a different loud and the exposed clutch is sooooo cool to see spinning next to your foot.
Frank
Quote from: Flynt on November 18, 2013, 08:58:41 PM
Quote from: fintip on November 18, 2013, 07:05:58 PM
GOD AWFUL DRY CLUTCH NOISE?!?! How do people DEAL with that???
My FJ is loud too with the flatsides clattering and the Akra thumping... The Duc is just a different loud and the exposed clutch is sooooo cool to see spinning next to your foot.
Frank
Dry clutches saves lives... Or the loud pipe and FS carbs emulating a dry clutch...
Well Pat, this KTM MAY meet your requirements. It meets mine, perhaps except for the eye appeal thing ...
(http://www.motorcycledaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/100113top-i-2.jpg)
The specs are awesome (180 hp, 415 lbs dry weight!). 2 up looks rather dicey, but it sure has all the bells & whistles of a new bike. ABS & TC, ride by wire, water cooled V-twin, Brembo mono-blocs.
Here are some reviews:
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2013/10/ktm-officially-unveils-1290-superduke-r-180-hp-in-a-lightweight-naked/ (http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2013/10/ktm-officially-unveils-1290-superduke-r-180-hp-in-a-lightweight-naked/)
http://cyclenews.uberflip.com/i/205581/0 (http://cyclenews.uberflip.com/i/205581/0)
Quote from: rockhammer on November 17, 2013, 06:57:00 PM
Hello I am from California and am considering a new bike here in the next week. I currently ride a gs850 and feel the bike is a bit smallish for me. I am six feet four inches tall. The ride is great but I feel cramped in the leg dept, riding for very long gets a bit painful in my left hip and I have no wind protection so I get burned out.
So I am buying a bike this week. I am choosing between two bikes. The 1991 fj 1200 with 33k miles in mint condition with upgraded front and rear suspension new, new tires, bar risers, corbin seat and an extra inch lower in the foot pegs. Did I mention the bike is mint very clean garage kept. The guy is asking 3k.
The other bike I am considering is a 2002 concours. 60k miles it also has suspension mod, new tires, well maintained, heated grips, gps, radio, three wind screens full luggage with trunk two way communication system for driver and passenger. 3300
I am switching bikes because I want more wind protection and more comfort for long rides. Also I want bags luggage because of the utility, I ride to estimates, school etc I would like to be able to carry my stuff with out a back back.
The fj does not come with any luggage. I am torn based on performance and comfort. I like the connie for all its accessories. But it has higher mileage. I could always buy luggage for the fj. What are the benefits of the fj over the concours?
What do memebers here think? Does the fj blow the connie away. I like wind protection how much can I get on the fj. I dont want total wind protection but 80 percent maybe. I dont want to boil on hot days.
Any help would be great.
Buy the bike with the least miles. There are after-market luggage pieces for the FJ. This is how mine used to look prior to me buying it.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p124/Northwet/FJ1200A_zps89583ce7.jpg)
I don't know the maker of the luggage, but it's available.
Good luck
~JM~
Quote from: simi_ed on November 19, 2013, 02:59:48 AM
Well Pat, this KTM MAY meet your requirements. It meets mine, perhaps except for the eye appeal thing ...
(http://www.motorcycledaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/100113top-i-2.jpg)
The specs are awesome (180 hp, 415 lbs dry weight!). 2 up looks rather dicey, but it sure has all the bells & whistles of a new bike. ABS & TC, ride by wire, water cooled V-twin, Brembo mono-blocs.
Here are some reviews:
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2013/10/ktm-officially-unveils-1290-superduke-r-180-hp-in-a-lightweight-naked/ (http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2013/10/ktm-officially-unveils-1290-superduke-r-180-hp-in-a-lightweight-naked/)
http://cyclenews.uberflip.com/i/205581/0 (http://cyclenews.uberflip.com/i/205581/0)
THAT bike has been on my list of bikes I'd like to beg/ borrow/ steal a ride on, and has been since I first read about it... I will someday.
Dan
Yea, the Super Duke is interesting (looks aside) a little small on the fuel tank @18L, 4.7 gal.
Ok gents please forgive me I am struggling here with what to do. I dont want to buy a bike then regret it. I have also come across an fz1 2002 with 25k miles for five hundred less than the fj1200 1992 with 32k miles. Any one here ridden a first gen fz1 how does it compare to the fj1200? Any thoughts would be great. Again sorry for all the questions. The thing is I bought my current bike a bit to quickly and found out it did not fit me well and I do not want that to happen again.
Quote from: rockhammer on November 20, 2013, 07:54:28 PM
Any one here ridden a first gen fz1 how does it compare to the fj1200?
It is a more modern, more nimble, sporty bike... Has more of the sport bike motor with much less torque and more rev happy. Many of the mods on an FJ will move it closer to the FZ (better suspension, better brakes, etc). I think the comfort level is pretty similar, but you do have a bigger fairing with the later FJs.
I'd say ride them both and buy the one you like best. Both great bikes and you can't go wrong.
Frank
This is not scientific, but I have seen several FZ1 accidents, and read (on here and elsewhere) about several others. I have it in my head that it's a bike that is plenty capable of throwing an unsuspecting you into the bushes/ down the road. At least, I gather, it commands greater respect (throttle control etc.) and immediate attention than the FJ.
Like Flynt says, ride em both, pick the one that fits.
Dan
Based on the prices I am seeing for 2002 fz1 i am begining to feel the guy that wants 3000 for his bike is asking a bit much. Does 3k sound like to much for a mint fj1200 with mods I mentioned and 33k miles?
I liked & selected the FJ due to the almost bullet proof & AIR COOLED engine. I prefer Air Cooled bikes as there is just one less system to maintain, plus they just look cleaner. I have not done much work on my FJ (haven't needed to yet) but it appears to be an easy bike to work on. There is not much in the way of anything that needs maintenance or adjustment.
If you are able to test ride the bikes, then do so & see which one feels the best to you. When it comes down to it, only you can pick out your bike. Which one feels the best & has the features that you want, or can easily be added later. Check out: http://www.kbb.com/motorcycles/#zipo=87f08a443f9e813cb5067ebdbe22aeeb (http://www.kbb.com/motorcycles/#zipo=87f08a443f9e813cb5067ebdbe22aeeb) and: http://www.nadaguides.com/Motorcycles (http://www.nadaguides.com/Motorcycles) for an idea on values.
Of course you came to an FJ Board so we are all a bit biased. :biggrin:
Good luck
~JM~
I see that price on high quality FJ's with some mods in my area. 2200 would be the super low, 3300 would be the high. But this kind of thing varies by region. In the end, it's worth a mixture of what you're willing to pay for it and how much the guy needs to allow himself to part with it.
It's not an unreasonable price, but it's not a low price.
That it holds that value after 20 years and beyond, compared to the FZ1, might be a hint, though. Also, remember to think of things like: how much does a corbin seat cost again? Because in theory, to even out the price some, you could, for instance, put that seat on ebay and sell it and then buy a stock seat, recovering at least, for example, $150 there.
I paid $1100 for a non running FJ (earlier generation, not in as good cosmetic condition), but I was ok paying that because I knew it wouldn't take much work, and it came with a corbin as well as hard bags, which together were worth at least $300-$400, meaning I was really getting the FJ for $800ish.
A cosmetically pristine bike with that much fairing, this old, too, is a sign that the bike has been adult owned. It's hard to make sure a bike doesn't fall over once over the course of a few decades, you know?
My $0.02.
+Also, like JM stated, I was hunting for an FJ (explicitly) because I wanted an FJ. My personal reasons were likely a little different than yours, but air cooled, carb, ease of maintenance was definitely a factor. Insane torque was another big factor. And looks--frankly, I'm not much of a fan of the FZ1 look, but to each their own. History/character; the FJ was a game changer when it came out. (Inconsequential to some, mattered to me.)
You have to develop your own criterion, though.
My FJ always receives positive comments on either its appearance or performance potential. Even by the few Sport Bike kids that actually know what it is. Mine has the Corbin Gunfighter & Lady seat, which has come in handy a few times when I've really gotten on the throttle. My ass became slightly airborn as the bike lept forward & the back raised portion of the seat caught me & put me back in the saddle. They are very nice seats! :good:
~JM~
Subliminal Message: BUY THE FJ... BUY THE FJ... BUY THE FJ... BUY THE FJ... FEEL THE KOOKALOO... FEEL THE KOOKALOO...
The first gen FZ1 is very FJ-like in ergos. You sit more on top of the FZ whereas you sit more in the FJ.
The FZ motor lacks the very low end grunt of the FJ, but it is still a very good motor and a very good bike.
You should be happy with either bike.
Quote from: rockhammer on November 21, 2013, 09:40:35 AM
Based on the prices I am seeing for 2002 fz1 i am begining to feel the guy that wants 3000 for his bike is asking a bit much. Does 3k sound like to much for a mint fj1200 with mods I mentioned and 33k miles?
What does he mean when he says an upgraded front and rear suspension? A new shock and front springs and valves could easily be worth $1000 + . If so, $3000 for a mint FJ with 33K, risers, lowed pegs, and a Corbin seat would be a very fair deal.
my 2 cents
The mods to the FJ are tailor made for what you mention as some of your requirements with a motorcycle. Plus to purchase the mods with no labor expense would be in the neighborhood of $1500.00. A rough estimate, not knowing what suspension mods were made. As already mentioned, the FJ has a larger fairing that will provide more wind protection. Ride both bikes, The FJ should fit someone your size a bit better. The FZ1 will feel a bit cramped, it will have a bit more power, but less torque, and handle a little better.
Ultimately pick the one in your price range, fits better and will perform to your requirements.
Fred
He can ask whatever he wants for it, it's a free country... kinda.
What he can get for it is another matter.
You wave 20 hundred dollar bills in his face he might change his mind.
Be patient.
The rear is a new hagar mono the front progressive springs, new avon radials, one inch bar riser, five year old corbin and one inch dropped pegs. Thats the mods
Hagon mono shock i mean. He was asking 3500. Got him dpwn to 3000. Seems high.
I'm not familiar with the performance of a Hagon shock, but lets say it's an upgrade from stock. As for the new front progressive springs, I'd call that a wash--maybe better than stock but I wouldn't consider it an upgrade. There are upgrade choices for the front end but they'll cost a few hundred bucks.
All in all I still think it's a fair deal for that bike. Not a steal, but a fair deal.
2 more cents...
I don't think $3K is out of the question. Usually when you buy a used bike you have to buy a new tire or a new battery. Take a look at the teeth on the sprocket & make sure that they aren't hooked looking. I don't know how long the original chain & sprockets last. Mine has 24+K miles & the sprocket still looks good.
Subliminal Message: BUY THE FJ... BUY THE FJ... BUY THE FJ... BUY THE FJ... FEEL THE KOOKALOO... FEEL THE KOOKALOO...
~JM~
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/mcy/4202599161.html (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/mcy/4202599161.html)
That is the bike.
Quote from: rockhammer on November 21, 2013, 04:45:18 PM
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/mcy/4202599161.html (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/mcy/4202599161.html)
That is the bike.
That is a fine looking example. A brand new Hagon shock runs between $480.00 to $681.00
Fred
That's a good-looking FJ!
Quote from: not a lib on November 21, 2013, 06:18:04 PM
That's a good-looking FJ!
Randy, you too can have a pink stripe!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pro-Grip-Wheel-Tape-Strip-Stripe-Fluorescent-Pink-/190940942457?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c74f79079&_uhb=1 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pro-Grip-Wheel-Tape-Strip-Stripe-Fluorescent-Pink-/190940942457?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c74f79079&_uhb=1)
:blum1:
Harvy
Quote from: not a lib on November 21, 2013, 06:18:04 PM
That's a good-looking FJ!
Damn right! Pink stripe and all!!
Looks like mine when I bought mine.
I paid $2700 with 30K miles in 2010.
Mine was stock accept for some POS aftermarket mirrors and a blue windscreen.
I'd say the one in the CL ad is maybe slightly nicer than the one I bought.
I'd say $3000 would be a fair price.
With all the support for the FJ here, you can't go wrong.
Leon
Quote from: Harvy on November 21, 2013, 07:22:44 PM
Quote from: not a lib on November 21, 2013, 06:18:04 PM
That's a good-looking FJ!
Randy, you too can have a pink stripe!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pro-Grip-Wheel-Tape-Strip-Stripe-Fluorescent-Pink-/190940942457?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c74f79079&_uhb=1 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pro-Grip-Wheel-Tape-Strip-Stripe-Fluorescent-Pink-/190940942457?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c74f79079&_uhb=1)
:blum1:
Harvy
Let's not go all crazy and shit, okay? :pardon:
It's not a freakin ambulance prototype model, ya know... (I do really like that shade of blue, though). :bomb:
A pound or three of Simichrome and a few gallons of elbow grease, and that thing could be REALLY nice. :blum1:
Quote from: rockhammer on November 21, 2013, 09:40:35 AM
Does 3k sound like to much for a mint fj1200 with mods I mentioned and 33k miles?
Actually pretty hard to say... you don't see many of the (vastly superior... at least for the purposes you describe) '91-'93 versions come up for sale, so determining a market value isn't so easy. One in excellent condition with the mods you mention would come up like every 3-4 years or so maybe. Those "Ambulance" versions come up every week or so, so I'd say $3K would be way too much for one of those unless it had some serious mods. :bomb:
For the '91 in great shape and even with just the Corbin I think $3K is in the ballpark for sure. You're going to spend a few hundred right away on Randy's (RPM) goodies, so figure that in. You'll have a classic, game changing motorcycle that you won't see at every stop light and it will deliver 100Kmi+ of faithful service if you take care of it... all for about $4K (tax, lic, RPM front suspension, spin on filter, vibranators, etc figured in). If you like the ride now, buy the bike and customize to taste... you won't be sorry! :yahoo:
Frank
Is that "three jag Steve's" FJ he sold a while back due to his eye surgery?
Randy - RPM
Quote from: racerrad8 on November 21, 2013, 09:08:13 PM
Is that "three jag Steve's" FJ he sold a while back due to his eye surgery?
Randy - RPM
When I first saw the photo I thought the same thing. Looking closer it is not 'three jag Steve's'. His had a stock seat and gold dot calipers and OEM stickers on the belly cowl. This one has OEM front calipers.
Still a great looking FJ
Fred
Man this is a tough one for me. I went out to look at the fz1, now I am not liking the fz because of more horse power or any thing like that. I am sure the Fj has plenty I like the way they both look.
A little history I rode a gs850 it was a naked bike. It was a great ride but beat me up long distance. I do alot of freeway commuting no real touring. I wanted a bike for utility with a fairing to help with the wind and reliablity. I did not chose the fj because of its rarity but because it filled the bill. I also liked the fz not because of its horse power but because it seems like it will do what I want also.
I went to check out the fz1 a couple hours ago. 2002 liquid silver in mint condition. Has a couple mods and the bike has 25k miles. In addition it is newer more modern lighting things like that also has an alarm not sure if I will use it. Well it rode great looked great and will only cost me 2400. It will need new carb boots and I will change the fluids but the bike is ready. It has adjustable suspension and all that jazz. I am just thinking of value. 2400 plus another 100 for boots and fluids or 3000 and more to mod it to modern standards.
Its tough but that fz
rode so smooth and would really need nothing. The price is good too. For now.
I hate to say it. But i think I am going with the fz just makes more sense financially right now. I really do appreciate all the post on this thread you guys really helped me. I read through every single one some more than once, even on my phone.
Another thing I am not to fond of the pink stripe. That color scheme is a little to blue and pink. I like the black and blue color much better. Again thanks so much for all your time you members have been wonderful.
If any thing changes you know you will here from me.
Quote from: rockhammer on November 21, 2013, 10:21:58 PM
rode so smooth and would really need nothing. The price is good too. For now.
I hate to say it. But i think I am going with the fz just makes more sense financially right now. I really do appreciate all the post on this thread you guys really helped me. I read through every single one some more than once, even on my phone.
Another thing I am not to fond of the pink stripe. That color scheme is a little to blue and pink. I like the black and blue color much better. Again thanks so much for all your time you members have been wonderful.
If any thing changes you know you will here from me.
Here is another 2002 FZ1, 17,000 miles, asking 3200. It's been for sale for a while and winter is here..... :dash2: I am not affiliated with the bike or owner. I just see it on the local C.L.
http://boise.craigslist.org/mcy/4171740907.html (http://boise.craigslist.org/mcy/4171740907.html)
George
The reason I've avoided FZ1's is I've never been impressed with the low end or midrange, where I ride the most.
Sure, if you wind them up, they will leave the older FJ series for dead -
But that is way I added a CBR1100XX Blackbird to the collection - Great machines, worth considering.
(http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q630/goeway2012/Motohorseman/CIMG0560_zps7e474010.jpg)
Good stuff!
I like the way my FJ can drop down to 30mph or so in 4th gear & then pull all the way back up to where I want to be. Seems like the majority of my "spirited" riding is done in 4th gear, then 5th in the straightaways. It's nice not having to drop 2 or 3 gears for a sharp turn, then shift back up. Just drop to 4th & tap the brakes, hit the apex & then roll back onto the throttle & grab 5th, away you go on to the next turn.
Did you have a chance to ride the FJ? I wouldn't dismiss it simply due to a pink stripe. That can easily be covered with another color stripe.
~JM~
PS. I almost traded off my FJ recently toward a much newer, more expensive Italian bike. When it came down to it, I decided that I just didn't want to part with my FJ.
The FZ is a great bike, you won't regret the decision.
Almighty then..........enough of all these Sunkist Oranges....here's an Apple from the North......just don't eat it :diablo:.......or you will become just like Pat (knowing the difference between good and not so good) :yes:....... that being said....welcome to cloud 11.....or 12 whichever you prefer to ride... :good2:
CanDman
I decided not to buy the last fz1 another came up with 6k miles like new. I picked it up for 3200. I think thats a good deal.
A clean bike with less than 10K miles is usually what I try to find. My FJ was the exception to the rule. It had 24K single adult owner miles on it & mostly all highway touring miles. I don't think it was ever ridden hard until I rode it.
Nice find on a 6K mile bike. How about a picture so we can see what it looks like?
Good luck
~JM~
I love my '84 (it was the only FJ offered in '84) so don't get me wrong....but...
If I were to get in to a FJ today, knowing what I now know, I would choose the rubber mount 3rd gen model.
My '92 is a very comfortable bike.
Just got the FZ1 home. Huge difference in this bike compared to my gs850. Smooth ride or it feels smooth to me. I will post a pic asap.
Paddy, don't you already have a '92??? (Of course I know that you do ...)
Yep, my '92 is smoother, but the '84 is prettier and (thanks to RPM) will pull the wings of the '92.
How's your bike coming along Ed?
It's enjoying a nice fall/winter in Modesto. It recently found new digs, from some old shop to a newer place ... :lol:
Randy says it'll be done soon-ish.
Congrats on the FZ1! They have a top end rush that will get your attention right now. Sign up over at yamahafz1oa.com to get all the help you will ever need with your new ride. It's a great bunch of guys over there, pretty much like here.
Joe
Quote from: Pat Conlon on November 23, 2013, 04:35:21 PM
but the '84 will pull the wings off the '92...
Try that with my '92...