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DDM Tuning HID Kit

Started by keand3, June 02, 2013, 03:50:58 AM

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HARTLESS

Quote from: ribbert on June 12, 2013, 10:49:20 PM
Quote from: Arnie on June 12, 2013, 08:07:49 PM
Noel,

Trusting that the idiot in the cage behind you can tell the difference between a tail light and a brake light is very dangerous. 

Arnie

I have just fitted a brake light modulator, when you apply the brake, the light flashes for an amount of time and a number of flashes ( both are adjustable) before settling back to a solid light. I have it set for about a dozen flashes over about 4 seconds. I fitted led bulbs which give it even more impact.

Under $30 including postage from the UK.

Noel
Noel,
could you post a link for that modulator? The only ones I have found that aren't super expensive are 15 dollar eBay ones that don't even look sealed.....

Ken,
Did you end up getting it mounted? I think the po said he mounted the same kind you have and I'm not sure if he put anything in the bucket or lens or whatever, but the beam does not go any further in to oncoming traffic than with a normal halogen(at least compared to my cars and other bikes). I'll look at the receipts to check the brand and try and take night pics of the beam. I am curious if you find a way to make the beam a little more focused.... :pardon:
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keand3

Quote from: HARTLESS on June 13, 2013, 09:44:14 AM
Ken,
Did you end up getting it mounted? I think the po said he mounted the same kind you have and I'm not sure if he put anything in the bucket or lens or whatever, but the beam does not go any further in to oncoming traffic than with a normal halogen(at least compared to my cars and other bikes). I'll look at the receipts to check the brand and try and take night pics of the beam. I am curious if you find a way to make the beam a little more focused.... :pardon:

I have yet to mount it, my bike is at a mechanic and is dismantled for a engine rebuild at the moment. But I will be putting in the DDM HID as soon as i get it back. :yes:
The kit from DDM is made to fit the lens and a H4 connector, and the xenon bulb has a shield to correct the light beamed from the xenon bulb.

I do think it's possible to find a better way to have the xenon light correctly focused/beamed then it currently is with the use of all the different HID kit out there.
There are several lenses, or projectors if you like, that allows you swap out the entire inside assembly of the headlight. By installing this lens/projector the beam from the xenon will be spreed out correctly since it's no longer uses the reflectors designed for the halogen bulb.

I only have to questions left that needs answering:

1. Will any of the projectors/lenses fit inside the headlamp? There a different sizes available, and the space inside from the glass to the back needs to be 11cm for one of the larger and advanced projectors.

2. Most projectors/lenses beams through clear glass, and not trough an uneven glass like the one on the FJ. How would that glass affect the beam from the projector?

I guess I won't be getting them answered before I try it out, but that will have to wait.
I also have compared price, and this projectors often comes as a kit with all you need. Seen the from $150 to $350 range so they are more expensive. But if they work out well on the bike, i wouldn't mind saving up some money for it.

Anyway, the kit from DDM will have to suffice for now..

Cheers
Ken
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fj11.5

Hi mate, did you know the fj headlight is a sealed unit, with no easy way to take it apart, , unless of course you don't need to for fitting of a projector lense, if it fits through the globe hole :scratch_one-s_head: :good2:
unless you ride bikes, I mean really ride bikes, then you just won't get it

84 Fj1100  effie , with mods
( 88 ) Fj 1200  fairly standard , + blue spots
84 Fj1100 absolutely stock standard, now more stock , fitted with Fj12 twin system , no rusted headers for this felicity jayne

keand3

Quote from: fj11.5 on June 13, 2013, 03:13:30 PM
Hi mate, did you know the fj headlight is a sealed unit, with no easy way to take it apart, , unless of course you don't need to for fitting of a projector lense, if it fits through the globe hole :scratch_one-s_head: :good2:

Gday mate :good2:

Well that's one of my concerns of pursuing an attempt on this mod.  Most headlights are sealed with either plastic or rubber/vinyl of some sort.

You would have to either bake your light in the oven or use a heatgun to warm up and soften the seal so you will be able to remove the glass. Those projectors I have looked at would require this since the projector wont fit through the globhole.

At the moment I'm not able to see how the fj headlight is sealed since my bike is sent of.

Cheers
Ken
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fintip

I'm interested in this thread. Was considering a relay mod, then an HID, then decided not to because of this exact reason. If the kit works, it'll go on my long-term wishlist.

Be sure to do a before/after!
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ribbert

Quote from: fj11.5 on June 13, 2013, 03:13:30 PM
Hi mate, did you know the fj headlight is a sealed unit, with no easy way to take it apart, , unless of course you don't need to for fitting of a projector lense, if it fits through the globe hole :scratch_one-s_head: :good2:

That's not quite right, a sealed unit is doesn't have a removeable globe, the filament is part of the housing and the entire light one piece of glass, like an oversize globe.

My loose plan had been to cut some of the reflector out of the headlight to fit the projectors.

Noel
"Tell a wise man something he doesn't know and he'll thank you, tell a fool something he doesn't know and he'll abuse you"

ribbert

Quote from: HARTLESS on June 13, 2013, 09:44:14 AM



Noel,
could you post a link for that modulator? The only ones I have found that aren't super expensive are 15 dollar eBay ones that don't even look sealed.....



http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251065478566?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

It even came with 2  screwdrivers, flash electrical connectors and 3 fuses depending on the number and type of globes, which are not shown on the ebay ad. I have had it in use for a couple of weeks and like it.

Noel
"Tell a wise man something he doesn't know and he'll thank you, tell a fool something he doesn't know and he'll abuse you"

Paul1965

Quote from: keand3 on June 12, 2013, 05:04:55 AM
On Futher investigation on achieving true and legal HID, I found this:
http://eshop.ktautopart.com/motorcycle-hid-projector/hid-projector-motorcycle-single-beam/kt-mt5.html

The projector is meant to replace the ordinary H4 projector and reusing the lamp housing.
Looks promising, but don't know if it would fit the FJ headlamp. They have a tutorial on youtube with a similar headlamp as the fj, so it does look promessing.




I didn't watch the tutorial, but I wanted to chime in on this. To install a projector you have to remove the lens from the body, install the projector, then make sure you get the whole thing sealed back up. IMHO, I really don't think it's worth the effort for two reasons: First as I mentioned, you have to be able to get the headlight lens off without breaking anything, then seal it back up so it's completely water proof. Second and probably the most important, with the pattern that's molded into the lens on our bikes it's useless to put a projector behind it and expect it to have good output since a projector is designed for a clear lens only (I did a projector retrofit on my Monte Carlo, so I know what it takes!). Just my measly two cents worth :)
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1984 Yamaha Maxim 400 Blew up
1982 Yamaha Vision Sold
1983 Kawasaki GPz1100 Sold
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fj11.5

Quote from: ribbert on June 13, 2013, 06:14:34 PM
Quote from: fj11.5 on June 13, 2013, 03:13:30 PM
Hi mate, did you know the fj headlight is a sealed unit, with no easy way to take it apart, , unless of course you don't need to for fitting of a projector lense, if it fits through the globe hole :scratch_one-s_head: :good2:
all good, I know what a sealed beam headlight is, and expected he does to, I'm just saying the headlight unit is sealed except for where the h4 globe goes

That's not quite right, a sealed unit is doesn't have a removeable globe, the filament is part of the housing and the entire light one piece of glass, like an oversize globe.

My loose plan had been to cut some of the reflector out of the headlight to fit the projectors.

Noel
unless you ride bikes, I mean really ride bikes, then you just won't get it

84 Fj1100  effie , with mods
( 88 ) Fj 1200  fairly standard , + blue spots
84 Fj1100 absolutely stock standard, now more stock , fitted with Fj12 twin system , no rusted headers for this felicity jayne

Paul1965

Quote from: fj11.5 on June 13, 2013, 09:58:06 PM
Quote from: ribbert on June 13, 2013, 06:14:34 PM
Quote from: fj11.5 on June 13, 2013, 03:13:30 PM
Hi mate, did you know the fj headlight is a sealed unit, with no easy way to take it apart, , unless of course you don't need to for fitting of a projector lense, if it fits through the globe hole :scratch_one-s_head: :good2:
all good, I know what a sealed beam headlight is, and expected he does to, I'm just saying the headlight unit is sealed except for where the h4 globe goes

That's not quite right, a sealed unit is doesn't have a removeable globe, the filament is part of the housing and the entire light one piece of glass, like an oversize globe.

My loose plan had been to cut some of the reflector out of the headlight to fit the projectors.

Noel

And your point is?
1978 Yamaha 400 Sold
1984 Yamaha Maxim 400 Blew up
1982 Yamaha Vision Sold
1983 Kawasaki GPz1100 Sold
1984 Yamaha FJ1100 Killed it
1991 Yamaha FJ1200 Sold
2009 Triumph Sprint ST Sold
2014 Triumph Trophy SE

FJmonkey

Just put the DDM bulb in and go!!!! Quit dicken around with it and enjoy the light...
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

'86 Ambulance - Bent frame, cracked case, due for an overhaul
'89 Stormy Blue - Suits my Dark Side

keand3

Quote from: FJmonkey on June 13, 2013, 10:16:14 PM
Just put the DDM bulb in and go!!!! Quit dicken around with it and enjoy the light...

:rofl:
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keand3

Quote from: Paul1965 on June 13, 2013, 08:15:43 PM
Second and probably the most important, with the pattern that's molded into the lens on our bikes it's useless to put a projector behind it and expect it to have good output since a projector is designed for a clear lens only (I did a projector retrofit on my Monte Carlo, so I know what it takes!). Just my measly two cents worth :)

By a molded pattern you mean the reflector inside the case? The hole point of using a projctor is that you wont need to use that reflector, since the projector is doing the job. It could either be removed or painted to stop its reflections. I don't see that as a problem.

But i might think you have a good point with the clear lense, and i agree with you that that could be a issu.

For now i will bow down for the order from The Red Power Ranger :good2:

Ken
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fj11.5

Yes, the refracted lens could cause issues if you install the said projector, as they do use those cool curved lenses,, go with the monkeys orders,  they are much brighter than standard, even with a relay
unless you ride bikes, I mean really ride bikes, then you just won't get it

84 Fj1100  effie , with mods
( 88 ) Fj 1200  fairly standard , + blue spots
84 Fj1100 absolutely stock standard, now more stock , fitted with Fj12 twin system , no rusted headers for this felicity jayne

keand3

Quote from: fj11.5 on June 14, 2013, 12:25:45 AM
Yes, the refracted lens could cause issues if you install the said projector, as they do use those cool curved lenses,, go with the monkeys orders,  they are much brighter than standard, even with a relay

Yes, i will... Won't risk having the ranger come over and kick some arses now will we :biggrin:

I might be thinking way out of my fabrication skills now, maybe even logic skill too...  :rofl: But I think, too really benefit from a xenon projector the hole headlight ought be replaced. And that's just not worth it  :negative:

I will however, try too see if a mod like this is doable, just for fun.  :dance2: As I would have gotten a projector anyway for another vehicle, and i do think i have a spare headlight somewere laying around, so why not give it a shoot...

Won't risk destroying the one fitted on the bike. The bike a still a red and whit, and is bound by universal law to follow the Red Ranger command  :rofl2:
DDM kit came recommended to me, and I do trust the experience of this forum so they will be put to good use. We have bitch-en long nights on early and late season up here, so good light is a necessity

Cheers
Ken
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