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FJ1346 from ashes to... Well, we'll see...

Started by skymasteres, October 17, 2012, 06:32:46 PM

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skymasteres

Okay, so I'm guessing all of this angst about the transmission assembly order is the starter and cam chain arrangement in the upper case?
(It has to loop around the crankshaft so you can't really load it in the bottom while it's seperate?)

Dads_FJ

I used Yamabond when I did my 2nd gear fix (back in spring of '05).  I don't recall any issues, nothing you won't be able to handle.  A decent write up here under *maintenance* http://www.fj1100.com/main.htm
John S.

'84 Yamaha FJ1100
'89 Yamaha FJ1200
'94 Yamaha WR250
'80 BMW R100S/Sidecar
'39 BSA WM20

skymasteres

Quote from: Dads_FJ on March 29, 2013, 12:04:02 PM
I used Yamabond when I did my 2nd gear fix (back in spring of '05).  I don't recall any issues, nothing you won't be able to handle.  A decent write up here under *maintenance* http://www.fj1100.com/main.htm

Oh wow, it's been so long since I've seen that that I totally forgot about it. Thank you.

An another subject, what is the best proceedure for finding the correct thickness for your base gasket?
I have the overbore sleeves in this block so I cannot use the stock base gasket anyway. And with the
cylinder head work and all, I don't think it's goint to come out to the stock fitment.
(I figure it'll help me with time if I can get some of these "long lead" items ordered now)

Pat Conlon

1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

JMR

Quote from: skymasteres on April 01, 2013, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: Dads_FJ on March 29, 2013, 12:04:02 PM
I used Yamabond when I did my 2nd gear fix (back in spring of '05).  I don't recall any issues, nothing you won't be able to handle.  A decent write up here under *maintenance* http://www.fj1100.com/main.htm

Oh wow, it's been so long since I've seen that that I totally forgot about it. Thank you.

An another subject, what is the best proceedure for finding the correct thickness for your base gasket?
I have the overbore sleeves in this block so I cannot use the stock base gasket anyway. And with the
cylinder head work and all, I don't think it's goint to come out to the stock fitment.
(I figure it'll help me with time if I can get some of these "long lead" items ordered now)
Fit a piston (no ring pack or c clips installed) on a rod, slide the cylinder on (no base gasket installed) and gently seat it on the upper case (dowels in place). I use a couple of pieces of PVC pipe ( with washers/nuts) over some studs to gently clamp the the cylinder down. Bring the piston to TDC and using a dial indicator measure whether it is + or - to the cylinder deck. Measure over the pin to avoid the rocking motion of the thrust sides of the skirt. Unless you have decked the cylinder or upper case it should be a negative figure i.e. -.005, -.010 etc. Add the thickness of the base gasket and that is you deck height. Example...-.010 in the hole plus using a .010 base gasket gives you 0 deck height.

skymasteres

Quote from: JMR on April 01, 2013, 05:03:27 PM
Fit a piston (no ring pack or c clips installed) on a rod, slide the cylinder on (no base gasket installed) and gently seat it on the upper case (dowels in place). I use a couple of pieces of PVC pipe ( with washers/nuts) over some studs to gently clamp the the cylinder down. Bring the piston to TDC and using a dial indicator measure whether it is + or - to the cylinder deck. Measure over the pin to avoid the rocking motion of the thrust sides of the skirt. Unless you have decked the cylinder or upper case it should be a negative figure i.e. -.005, -.010 etc. Add the thickness of the base gasket and that is you deck height. Example...-.010 in the hole plus using a .010 base gasket gives you 0 deck height.

Okay, I'll do just that. (Seems straightforward enough.)
What about the piston domb though? Should that be somewhat above the height of the cylinders?
(I'm making the assumption that when you say over the pin, you mean at the edge over the pin?)

JMR

You measure off the flat squish band on the the piston (that narrow lateral edge area).The dome will be well above the cylinder deck. And yes....on that piston pin edge over the pin itself.

skymasteres

Okay, I've been looking for the answer to this question.
And I can't find it in the manual or the pictures I took.

Where does the odd bearing go? It fits loosely on a few
of the webs but not really right anywhere...


JMR

Quote from: skymasteres on April 05, 2013, 01:20:55 AM
Okay, I've been looking for the answer to this question.
And I can't find it in the manual or the pictures I took.

Where does the odd bearing go? It fits loosely on a few
of the webs but not really right anywhere...


On a different bike.

racerrad8

Quote from: skymasteres on April 05, 2013, 01:20:55 AM
Okay, I've been looking for the answer to this question.
And I can't find it in the manual or the pictures I took.

Where does the odd bearing go? It fits loosely on a few
of the webs but not really right anywhere...



I have never seen one of those in an FJ engine. First thing I would check is if the bearing fits between any of the crank shaft main bearing journals? If it does not fit it is definitely for a different application.

Was that something that was supplied to you to machine down the thrust bearing surface of the case as a replacement to the stock bearing using the case as the thrust? I ask because the thrust is only controlled at the upper portion of the case.

Randy - RPM
Randy - RPM

skymasteres

Quote from: racerrad8 on April 05, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
I have never seen one of those in an FJ engine. First thing I would check is if the bearing fits between any of the crank shaft main bearing journals? If it does not fit it is definitely for a different application.

Was that something that was supplied to you to machine down the thrust bearing surface of the case as a replacement to the stock bearing using the case as the thrust? I ask because the thrust is only controlled at the upper portion of the case.

Randy - RPM

It came in the bearing set that I bought for the engine. I don't know if it fits in the upper case. (Haven't tried that yet)
I do feel a lot better about it now though. Thought I was a complete bummy for not knowing where it went... :wacko3:

racerrad8

Like I said, you better see if it fits the crank before you do anything else. If it does not fit the crank then it doesn't fit the engine.

If it does fit the crank you will have to determine how you are going to have to machine the case to make it fit, because Yamaha never supplied that style bearing with the FJ/XJR engine...

Randy - RPM
Randy - RPM

jscgdunn

Quote from: skymasteres on April 05, 2013, 01:20:55 AM
Okay, I've been looking for the answer to this question.
And I can't find it in the manual or the pictures I took.

Where does the odd bearing go? It fits loosely on a few
of the webs but not really right anywhere...



Did your bearing kit get packed on April 1?
92 FJ1200 2008 ZX14 Forks, wheels, 2008 cbr 600 RR swingarm
92 FJ1200 2009 R1 Swinger, Forks, Wheels, 2013 CBR 1000 Shock
90 FJ 1200 (Son # 2), Stock
89 FJ 1200 Built from parts: (Brother bought it) mostly 92 parts inc. motor
84 FJ 1100 (Son #1), 89 forks wheels, blue spots

Mark Olson

It looks like the rear brg of a small block chevy,  somebody is being funny.
Mark O.
86 fj1200
sac ca.

                           " Get off your ass and Ride"

Country Joe

Quote from: Mark Olson on April 06, 2013, 12:42:23 PM
It looks like the rear brg of a small block chevy,  somebody is being funny.
Thats what it looks like to me, too.

   Joe
1993 FJ 1200