Good article on saving the bacon in a turn

[terryk]

Dudemonster, that ain't gonna happen. Terry's just venting. He knows that Dan is right. Terry's a good guy and so is Dan.

Now, who are you?    Great first post.

Thanks Pat.

[Marsh White]

Sorry to drop the bomb , but I think you need to leave, Terry. This website was made to have motorcycle discussion, and is not a place for such abhorrent language.    Who thinks we should ban Terry from this group?     

Have a good day. 

Why do you just ban yourself whoever you are.

Go away and never return.

Or, come back the language is within site rules bucko. Go mind your own fucking business.

Terry - you are correct - the language is within site rules - but being a complete immature dickhead and asshole will only be tolerated for so long...   I don't personally know you - but you have been coming across as pretty juvenile with a HUGE chip on your shoulder lately...

[dudemonster]

Thank You, I thought it was a great first post too.   Well since I don't like to give out too much information, I will just say that I'm a 6 foot 3 inch 160 pound 15 year old human garbage disposal; who also likes motorcycles.

[FJmonkey]

Dudemonster, that ain't gonna happen. Terry's just venting. He knows that Dan is right. Terry's a good guy and so is Dan.

Now, who are you?    Great first post.

Damn! I step away from the keyboard and miss another humdinger of a first post. I might loose my ranking as first post moderator.

[1tinindian]

15 years old.
That's speaks for itself!

[Klavdy]

Go Terry!
Ya shit stirring bastarard, good onya.

[Klavdy]

Had ta ride Pillion on a mates (BMW1150) recently. (To the Phillip Island races) and realised just how great a back rest is. (esp when using a camera). So I bought her one. - Most were too expensive so found it cheaper ta buy another FJ with one fitted already. .............I explained (and she believed) that I got it cheap because of some fault in the front end where the PO occidentally installed the forks upside down.  Anyhow I was explaining the knowledge I had gained from the forum about countersteering when she stopped me in mid conversation with the realisation that she`s ahead of the rest on left handers and that all my expletives were worthy of an apology.  ..............Ya see, she likes to keep an eye on the oncoming traffic (which of course is on the Right hand side over here) and she has always found it difficult to see when I`m leaning inta a lefthander, soooo......she just leans out further  ....which of course is countersteering  ..... We make a great team.  

Leaning is leaning, nothing to do with countersteering.
See Keith Codes "No BS BIKE"
Countersteering is pushing on the bars in the opposite direction to the way you want to go.
You want to turn left?
You push your left handle bar.

[fj11.5]

Best bit of shit stirring I've seen for ages, didn't realise terry was stralin    , dont we actually counter steer 90% of the time

[rktmanfj]

Terry - you are correct - the language is within site rules - but being a complete immature dickhead and asshole will only be tolerated for so long...   I don't personally know you - but you have been coming across as pretty juvenile with a HUGE chip on your shoulder lately...

                 lately?

[Zwartie]

Why is everyone so convinced that it's just one or the other?

What matters is if the bike leans.  Then you can turn the bars into it to maintain your balance, and that's when turning happens.  How you initiate that lean can happen in a number of ways!  Countersteering lets you move the tires under the center of gravity, which is always quicker than physically moving the entire center of gravity.  Saying that it's the only possible way to lean a bike is just showing that one has never had an unruly passenger, nor rode in a stiff, gusty crosswind.  Or had a bike tip over in the garage even, the forces don't actually change because you're not moving, but the effect does.

Countersteer HARD at no speed, and very little happens.  The front might move a pinch, just due to trail.  Now have someone kick the bike from the side, and you'll fall over.  That's a leaning effect, the center of gravity is being directly moved.  Park the same bike on a mild slope with some sand on it, and have someone kick the tires near the ground, sideways.  The bike will fall over (and hopefully break the prick's legs!), but that's an example of moving the contact patch so that it's not under the center of gravity, just as countersteering does.  If you want the same effect while moving, give it a great big fistful of gas on cold tires, and the contact patch in the back will jump sideways a good bit... same effect, just at the other end.

It's the same with using the front vs the rear brake, or using engine braking, or using the clutch to slip the tire (either direction), or using various types of oil.  Different tools for different situations.  They're all viable, but some are much better than others depending on the situation.

In a panic, when you've come in too hot or have a midcorner obstruction, the best thing is usually just controlling your vision, and looking at the line you want.  Do that, and probably 90% of the rest falls into place.

Andy,
You're spot on! It's all about the basics: 1. Look where you want to go because where you look is where you are going to go (whether you like it or not), and this is true for motorcycling, snowboarding, and life in general. 2. Choose an appropriate entry speed – if you don't know the curve or if it is a blind curve, err on the side of caution. 3. A motorcycle turns at speed by leaning. To initiate the lean, push (smoothly and progressively) on the inside bar – push right to go right, push left to go left. 4. Keep your hands on the grips and your wrists (especially the right wrist) in a flat or "broken" position so you don't make any sudden inputs to the throttle. 5. Lean with the motorcycle while keeping your head level with the horizon. 6. Did I mention to look where you want to go? We could get into rolling on the throttle but that's in the next lesson.  I don't claim to be an expert, just a CSC (Canada Safety Council) certified motorcycle training instructor (for the past 10 years). If there's one thing you can't stress enough when it comes to motorcycle riding it's all about being smooooth!
And yes, I thought the article in Sport Rider was good one. Not sure what all the fuss is about!

[The General]

............Ya see, she likes to keep an eye on the oncoming traffic (which of course is on the Right hand side over here) and she has always found it difficult to see when I`m leaning inta a lefthander, soooo......she just leans out further  ....which of course is countersteering  ..... We make a great team.  

Leaning is leaning, nothing to do with countersteering.
See Keith Codes "No BS BIKE"
Countersteering is pushing on the bars in the opposite direction to the way you want to go.
You want to turn left?
You push your left handle bar.

Ahhhh... so if she`s leaning right when I`m leaning left it`s not countersteering it`s counterleaning....Got it. - except when she`s got my left handle bar and pushing - then it`s countersteering. Ummmm.... so if she counterleans of equal force to my countersteer will that make the bike go straight? or will it kinda go crab ways? (yawing?)   

[simi_ed]

but being a complete immature dickhead and asshole will only be tolerated for so long...   I don't personally know you - but you have been coming across as pretty juvenile with a HUGE chip zip on your shoulder in your mid-section lately...

Marsh, are you talking about Klavdy?

[The General]

Best bit of shit stirring I've seen for ages, didn't realise terry was stralin    , dont we actually counter steer 90% of the time

Then what are we doin the other 10% of the time??   -don`t say leaning unless ya hands are off tha handlebars - hmmmm.....how come I can steer my bike around some curves (no hands)  just by weighting the footrests?  counterweighting? (..........Naaaa that`s what happens at Aldi on thurs mornins)- Anyhow, I think our camber is opposite to the U.S. due to the side of the road  they are usually on, so what Terry & Dan are saying is actually counter ta Aussie physics.  - I think I`ll have ta visit there one day, ta see for meself! --they got Bundy Rum over thar??

[Klavdy]

but being a complete immature dickhead and asshole will only be tolerated for so long...   I don't personally know you - but you have been coming across as pretty juvenile with a HUGE chip zip on your shoulder in your mid-section lately...

Marsh, are you talking about Klavdy?

Don't be silly, I don't got no steenkin chips.

[fj11.5]

Other 10% is spent in straight lines on the highway heading for the good roads ,  hope they have bundy over there because the beer is below standard  , not that I mind