Good article on saving the bacon in a turn

[terryk]

Yes, I know this was written for squids....but this applies for FJ jockeys as well. Good suggestions.



Pucker should always be translated to leaning more when in trouble mid-turn or entering too hot.



Too many lowsides or running off the road these days because folks do not get that the bike can be aggressively turned in a safe manner. Frankly, they are never trained or taught to do this well in many cases. See this every day.



Practice , practice and practice leaning until it is second nature to save f*ucking up your day, your bike and your hide.



Never dug into the road with your pegs through a turn, well, how could you stay in control in an emergency? IMHO.



http://www.sportrider.com/riding_tips/146_1201_coping_with_mid_corner_crises_riding_skills/index.html

[ELIMINATOR]

All it says is lean more, doesn't mention counter steering, it would be useful if it did.

[terryk]

All it says is lean more, doesn't mention counter steering, it would be useful if it did.

There is a reason for this.

Counter steering is a natural outcome of using your lower body and knees and feet weighting on the inside peg to steer the bike. With your eyes and head in the proper position.

Too many people just counter steer to turn which weights the bars and truly fucks up your line when you hit a bump mid turn with heavy weight/leverage  on the bars.

Hands should be relatively light on the bars with most turn inputs from the body. Yeah, we all get counter steering but if that is your primary means of turning....well...say hello to the asphalt in an emergency situation.

[glfredrick]

I've found that there is a certain thrill once one learns just how far over a bike can truly lean in a corner, but the practice curve is difficult.   

Slidng part way off the seat, dropping the inside knee to the pavement, getting on the gas -- hard -- then slingshotting out of the curve is exhilarating once one masters the effort.  High side and it will cost you body parts -- both types -- ask me how I know (at least the silver-dollar sized hole in my left knee is now healed over).

I used to "flat track" dirt bikes so I may be advanced in my feel for the corners, but start slow and work up to a full on weight shift corner, then just try to wipe the perma-grin off your face!

Biggest problems I've found are dragging a bike part and lifting the rear wheel or that slight dust that sometimes gets washed up on a corner.  Dust has got me more often than bike parts -- that is predictable, the instant loss of traction isn't.   

[Mark Olson]

the part in the article that is most important is no abrupt inputs , don't chop throttle or grab a handful of brake, keep the bike settled thru corners .

I think most of us already know this.

[ELIMINATOR]

the only time that counter steering is not used is when the bike is upright riding slowly. Counter steering happens all the time above that. if a corner tightens unexpectedly, then counter steering drops the bike sharper into the turn, trying to lean more, will not produce such a quick effect.

My definition of counter steering is to push the bar away from you, if going into a right hand bend, push the right bar, this turns the bike quicker. To be honest, I've never tried the weighting of a foot technique. Must give it a try some time.

Also a good way to get the bike upright quickly. (which I've only ever done to see how it works)

ultimately, if you've gone in too fast, you're doing something wrong in the first place! once in a while happens to us all, but, if it's a frequent event?

I've done quite a bit of training, and it's improved my riding, I think I am a safer rider than I was a few years back. Road positioning is paramount to get a good view of the road ahead.

[Dan Filetti]

the only time that counter steering is not used is when the bike is upright riding slowly. Counter steering happens all the time above that. if a corner tightens unexpectedly, then counter steering drops the bike sharper into the turn, trying to lean more, will not produce such a quick effect.

My definition of counter steering is to push the bar away from you, if going into a right hand bend, push the right bar, this turns the bike quicker. To be honest, I've never tried the weighting of a foot technique. Must give it a try some time.

Also a good way to get the bike upright quickly. (which I've only ever done to see how it works)

ultimately, if you've gone in too fast, you're doing something wrong in the first place! once in a while happens to us all, but, if it's a frequent event?

I've done quite a bit of training, and it's improved my riding, I think I am a safer rider than I was a few years back. Road positioning is paramount to get a good view of the road ahead.

I agree with this, Pushing on the bars has a much bugger impact than weighting the pegs.  I have done done both, and pushing on the bars makes a MUCH bigger difference than weighting the pegs.

Dan

[terryk]

the only time that counter steering is not used is when the bike is upright riding slowly. Counter steering happens all the time above that. if a corner tightens unexpectedly, then counter steering drops the bike sharper into the turn, trying to lean more, will not produce such a quick effect.

My definition of counter steering is to push the bar away from you, if going into a right hand bend, push the right bar, this turns the bike quicker. To be honest, I've never tried the weighting of a foot technique. Must give it a try some time.

Also a good way to get the bike upright quickly. (which I've only ever done to see how it works)

ultimately, if you've gone in too fast, you're doing something wrong in the first place! once in a while happens to us all, but, if it's a frequent event?

I've done quite a bit of training, and it's improved my riding, I think I am a safer rider than I was a few years back. Road positioning is paramount to get a good view of the road ahead.

I agree with this, Pushing on the bars has a much bugger impact than weighting the pegs.  I have done done both, and pushing on the bars makes a MUCH bigger difference than weighting the pegs.

Dan

Well dan, go get some training and you will learn to ride like an experienced rider. 

[craigo]

the only time that counter steering is not used is when the bike is upright riding slowly. Counter steering happens all the time above that. if a corner tightens unexpectedly, then counter steering drops the bike sharper into the turn, trying to lean more, will not produce such a quick effect.

My definition of counter steering is to push the bar away from you, if going into a right hand bend, push the right bar, this turns the bike quicker. To be honest, I've never tried the weighting of a foot technique. Must give it a try some time.

Also a good way to get the bike upright quickly. (which I've only ever done to see how it works)

ultimately, if you've gone in too fast, you're doing something wrong in the first place! once in a while happens to us all, but, if it's a frequent event?

I've done quite a bit of training, and it's improved my riding, I think I am a safer rider than I was a few years back. Road positioning is paramount to get a good view of the road ahead.

I agree with this, Pushing on the bars has a much bugger impact than weighting the pegs.  I have done done both, and pushing on the bars makes a MUCH bigger difference than weighting the pegs.

Dan

Well dan, go get some training and you will learn to ride like an experienced rider. 

This is going to be good!!!   

[Dan Filetti]

Well dan, go get some training and you will learn to ride like an experienced rider.  

Terry-

Jusy like with politics, you are woefully missinformed on this:

Will you argue with Keith Code and a test designed explictly to prove the matter?  I rather think Keith has received, (and oh by the way provided ) a hell of a lot more training than you....   

http://www.soundrider.com/archive/safety-skills/nobsbike.htm

Dan

[Lotsokids]

the part in the article that is most important is no abrupt inputs , don't chop throttle or grab a handful of brake, keep the bike settled thru corners .

I think most of us already know this.

That's right. Also not too much acceleration (if any) in the corners. That brings a lot of people down, including myself. As a former sportbike instructor, the most important things we taught were:

1. Suspension setup (half the day!)
2. C.G. (Center of Gravity) - Prep for the corners and GET OFF THE SEAT and get that C.G down and inside the corner.
3. Looking through the corner
4. Throttle control

We can't talk about this stuff too much. It's a good reminder.

Here's an on-bike video of my instructor:
http://www.dskuhn.com/oleben.wmv

[terryk]

Well dan, go get some training and you will learn to ride like an experienced rider.  

Terry-

Jusy like with politics, you are woefully missinformed on this:

Will you argue with Keith Code and a test designed explictly to prove the matter?  I rather think Keith has received, (and oh by the way provided ) a hell of a lot more training than you....   

http://www.soundrider.com/archive/safety-skills/nobsbike.htm

Dan

As usual Dan, you like personal attacks because that is all you can muster with your abilities. Dan, get thee, as in you and your bike to a race track and get some track time with training and report back. BTW - Code advocates what I speaking about as well. It is not just about yanking on a handle bar dan.

[craigo]

As usual Dan, you like personal attacks because that is all you can muster with your abilities.

OK Terry,

First off, I have to say that you put the 1st shot across Dan's bow on this. It was you who attacked him first. No one was talking to you about this and Dan's advise was valid. So why this attack on Dan out of you?

I have watched you 2 spar over the debt, how we American's should be taxed and what the liberal media has "spewed" upon us, and I do not agree with you on any of your points.

And now, without anyone saying anything to you personally attack Dan on the issue of riding skills. To say Dan has personally "attacked" you, is way over the line.

I know there is no use arguing with you about my personal feelings about how the government should be run as you are so lost in the liberal spin, it's not even worth it. I could go on, but as from the first sentence, what's the point.

Good day,

CraigO

[terryk]

As usual Dan, you like personal attacks because that is all you can muster with your abilities.

OK Terry,

First off, I have to say that you put the 1st shot across Dan's bow on this. It was you who attacked him first. No one was talking to you about this and Dan's advise was valid. So why this attack on Dan out of you?

I have watched you 2 spar over the debt, how we American's should be taxed and what the liberal media has "spewed" upon us, and I do not agree with you on any of your points.

And now, without anyone saying anything to you personally attack Dan on the issue of riding skills. To say Dan has personally "attacked" you, is way over the line.

I know there is no use arguing with you about my personal feelings about how the government should be run as you are so lost in the liberal spin, it's not even worth it. I could go on, but as from the first sentence, what's the point.

Good day,

CraigO

Craigo -...stick to your own knitting as no one was speaking to you sir.

[rktmanfj]

Well said, Craig!