State Of The Union Address

[axiom-r]

It's a pain in the ass to listen to the so called news that spews out of what ever RICH BASTARD that owns it wants to spin.

Bottom line is, just because I have a Conservative view does not mean I am a mindless robot.

CraigO

This is right on Craig.  We would all do well to recognize the spin and start to filter it...  Fact is, most of these issues are not nearly as polarized as the talking heads try to make it...  Remember a lack of controversy does not increase viewership... they have to make it gory and sensational if they want the masses to stay glued....

From the myriad of news companies and networks only a few decades ago, the FAA has allowed mergers and consolidation to the point where there are only 5 sources for media today.  The truth is out there- its just unlikely that it will be easily found!  Only ongoing discussion between people with opposing views brings out the truth to the surface these days..

tim

[ddlewis]

Really CraigO.. not racist hmmmm?  Then explain this!  (if you can)

Terry, you're on dope!!!! I will never go to the dark side of the entitlement mindset.
CraigO

 



I can only hope TerryK was also rofl when he threw down his race card... 

[terryk]

Terry, you're on dope!!!! I will never go to the dark side of the entitlement mindset.

CraigO

OK, no reason to be conservative and racist.

Racist?  What the hell are you talking about? Where is it in my response that you think that I am racist?

Just because I will not take handouts from the government, you call me racist?

You need some kind of therapy, I don't know what, but you need help!!!

CraigO

Some conservatives clearly have undersized irony detector neuorns. Take a step back and relax, no one really thinks you are a racist here. Miserably and woefully wrong on economic theory, perhaps, racist , nothing to indicate this.

BTW - you take handouts from the government every day. Police protection, military standing at the ready, FAA keeping your plane ride safe, DOT ensuring your helmet is reasonably effective,  FDA making sure your food is not tainted, Social security payments so your mom or grandma does not need to worry about her next meal and medicaid so she has medical care, etc, etc. A handout for you Craigo and your family, hope this is OK with you.  

Now, if only the rich and corporations would pay there fair share and stop destroying the middle class. I say again, Mitt paid 13.9% tax on $21 Million in earnings. How does that feel to you ?  Now talk about taking a government handout when you and I pay more in tax on far less income. Wow. How is this right? How is this an American value? Please do explain this economic reality to us so we can understand this and be good with it.

[terryk]

Really CraigO.. not racist hmmmm?  Then explain this!  (if you can)

Terry, you're on dope!!!! I will never go to the dark side of the entitlement mindset.
CraigO

 



I can only hope TerryK was also rofl when he threw down his race card... 

Bingo - we have a winner with functional irony neurons.

[rktmanfj]

the FAA FCC has allowed mergers

FTFY

[craigo]

Really CraigO.. not racist hmmmm?  Then explain this!  (if you can)

Terry, you're on dope!!!! I will never go to the dark side of the entitlement mindset.
CraigO

 



I can only hope TerryK was also rofl when he threw down his race card... 

Bingo - we have a winner with functional irony neurons.

It was a Star Wars metaphor. Get a clue..

CraigO

[craigo]

I am taxed at an alarming 28% plus property taxes plus sales tax. I do not take hand outs from anyone. Now, from my long years of service and frugelness, you libs want to take now 30% of my capital gains that I already paid taxes on while earning it.

I have worked in corporate America for over 20 years and never took a penny in any entitlement, not even unemployment. I am now self employed.

That may be your mindset, but not mine. I worked for everything I own. Now, you libs think that I should kick down to the "disenfranchised" (more like drug/alcohol addled and uninspired) for not holding up their end of the deal.

In a word, No.

CraigO

[terryk]

I am taxed at an alarming 28% plus property taxes plus sales tax. I do not take hand outs from anyone. Now, from my long years of service and frugelness, you libs want to take now 30% of my capital gains that I already paid taxes on while earning it.

I have worked in corporate America for over 20 years and never took a penny in any entitlement, not even unemployment. I am now self employed.

That may be your mindset, but not mine. I worked for everything I own. Now, you libs think that I should kick down to the "disenfranchised" for not holding up their end of the deal.

In a word, No.

CraigO

Do not be delusional, of course you are a taker, of course you pay heavy taxes while the rich pay far less of their income.

Here once again, in an attempt to break through and make you say Uncle,I am a leach on the USA society  like everyone else is exactly how you are a taker Craigo - Police protection, military standing at the ready, FAA keeping your plane ride safe, DOT ensuring your helmet is reasonably effective,  FDA making sure your food is not tainted, Social security payments so your mom or grandma does not need to worry about her next meal and medicaid so she has medical care, etc, etc

See, you are nothing but a big leach like all of us.

[axiom-r]

the FAA FCC has allowed mergers

FTFY

Ahhh oops!  Thanks for the correction Randy!

tim

[ddlewis]

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Now, if only the rich and corporations would pay there fair share and stop destroying the middle class. I say again, Mitt paid 13.9% tax on $21 Million in earnings. How does that feel to you ?  Now talk about taking a government handout when you and I pay more in tax on far less income. Wow. How is this right? How is this an American value? Please do explain this economic reality to us so we can understand this and be good with it.

Mitt paid 2.8 million.   That seems like a pretty good chunk of change, considering 47% pay nada and even worse many of them got an Earned Income Credit, aka refund.  That fact disturbs me more than Mitt "only" paying 2.8M. 

He gets most of his income from investments which is taxed at a lower rate.  Same applies to you and me.  So not exactly unfair unless you have bought into the class warfare line currently being played..  Ok lets say at some threshold of rich-ness maybe there should be a point where you pay more on your investment income.  People might get behind that IF they believed congress would use the extra income to pay down the debt.  but that's a laugh.. 

Feel 100% sure that if we crank up tax rates on the rich/corporations we will not use it for the deficit but it will go straight into the government spending crapper.

[Dan Filetti]

Oh, Terry, you are so far beyond reasoning with. But I will make my rebuttal for those that are not brain washed.

BTW - debt ceiling is a red herring and not a genuine issue. I know, this comes as a shock to ears tuned by Fox news...  Our economic system can power out of this debt if, wait for it, corporations and individuals pay their fair share. Yes we need to control expenses, but we also need to tax fairly and often.

RED HERRING!?  RED HERRING??!!??  Not a genuine issue?  
 
In 2008 (just three years ago!):
The debt per person in this country was $30,844
The debt per tax payer was $86,925

Now:
The debt per person in this country is now $48,866
The debt per tax payer is now $135,433


These number are not scary? We can 'power out of it'??  Show me ONE time in US history where this country has EVER powered out of it's debt?  The fact is, it has NEVER happened.  Johnson, the most successful of the three presidents that have ever even so much as reversed the course of the debt, managed a meager .85% (less than 1%) over 6 years -at that rate it would take 120 years to reduce the debt to zero.  This is just worlds away from "powering out" of debt.

Even your savoir Obama voted against raising the debt ceiling to a comparatively tame, 9 Trillion, (when it was politically expedient to do) as it was, in his own words, a 'reckless... lack of leadership'.  I guess then it was a real issue, but now that there's a dem in the white house, (and it's 93% higher), it's a just 'red hearing issue'.

Oh, I listen/ watch ALL of them, CNN, MSNBC, FOX, NPR, BBC, even translated Al Jazeera, plus the local liberal affiliates.  Then I make my mind up for myself.  Perhaps it is YOU that should consider watching something besides MSNBC...

13.9% on Mitt's $21 million, don't that just piss you off.

This does not bother me.  Not even a little bit. That 13.9% translates to just under 3 million dollars. Somehow, in the warped liberal mind, 3 million dollars, more than everyone on this list pays together, from 1 man, for one year, is "not enough".   Said another way, he completely paid off the debt of 59 other citizens.  

He paid that 14% against capitol gains, the same rate you or I, or anyone would pay -seems fair to me.  

Wise up buddy.

I'm plenty wise, this really does not even dignify a response.

Terry, If you believe the redistribution of wealth crap you seem to champion, then perhaps Terry should start with Terry.  Do this.  Average income in the US is $32,140.  Take every penny you make above and beyond that and give it away to someone who makes less than that.  Failure to do any less than this makes you a hypocrite -which puts you in good company, because so is our president.

Hrumph...

Dan

[bcguide]

News
Don't get me started where do you go for a nonbiest and imformative reporting. I have given up on TV news and the papers are not any better.
Look at the Edmonton sun today 20 pages in the news section 12 of the 20 were adds. The sunshine girl looked good though.

Scott

[Dan Filetti]

For Terry:



From Dan

[Flynt]

Hrumph...

Dan

Dan,

You clearly are adept at criticizing the President... Kudos.  I have enough Military left in me to respect him for where he is (I also think he is adept at letting the military do it's job...  Not easy).  I don't think he hits on all cylinders, but Newt would get us all killed (as in the planet) in a "Bad Newt" moment and Mitt is so out of touch with the US condition that he'll get no support from the Democratic membership of congress.  He's also at least as big a hypocrit as Barack (where do they get these fucking names?).

I think the trouble lies with the lack of benefit for any serious thinker with problem solving skills (many of the Presidents past had these) to run these days.  Sadly we have no better choice on balance than Barack...  He's been a quantum leap over Jr (not saying much).  He's been a ball buster on defense.  He's repaired our reputation in a world that needs a moral leader (Jr fucked us here) and put us back on the bully pulpit.  And recently the economy is coming back to life.  Slowly perhaps, but the Facebook IPO is a sign of improving investor sentiment.

I believe Barack will win and that result (lack of change) is the most sure path out of the current economic situation....  Betcha a beer he wins 

Frank

[terryk]

Oh, Terry, you are so far beyond reasoning with. But I will make my rebuttal for those that are not brain washed.

BTW - debt ceiling is a red herring and not a genuine issue. I know, this comes as a shock to ears tuned by Fox news...  Our economic system can power out of this debt if, wait for it, corporations and individuals pay their fair share. Yes we need to control expenses, but we also need to tax fairly and often.

RED HERRING!?  RED HERRING??!!??  Not a genuine issue?  
 
In 2008 (just three years ago!):
The debt per person in this country was $30,844
The debt per tax payer was $86,925

Now:
The debt per person in this country is now $48,866
The debt per tax payer is now $135,433


These number are not scary? We can 'power out of it'??  Show me ONE time in US history where this country has EVER powered out of it's debt?  The fact is, it has NEVER happened.  Johnson, the most successful of the three presidents that have ever even so much as reversed the course of the debt, managed a meager .85% (less than 1%) over 6 years -at that rate it would take 120 years to reduce the debt to zero.  This is just worlds away from "powering out" of debt.

Even your savoir Obama voted against raising the debt ceiling to a comparatively tame, 9 Trillion, (when it was politically expedient to do) as it was, in his own words, a 'reckless... lack of leadership'.  I guess then it was a real issue, but now that there's a dem in the white house, (and it's 93% higher), it's a just 'red hearing issue'.

Oh, I listen/ watch ALL of them, CNN, MSNBC, FOX, NPR, BBC, even translated Al Jazeera, plus the local liberal affiliates.  Then I make my mind up for myself.  Perhaps it is YOU that should consider watching something besides MSNBC...

13.9% on Mitt's $21 million, don't that just piss you off.

This does not bother me.  Not even a little bit. That 13.9% translates to just under 3 million dollars. Somehow, in the warped liberal mind, 3 million dollars, more than everyone on this list pays together, from 1 man, for one year, is "not enough".   Said another way, he completely paid off the debt of 59 other citizens.  

He paid that 14% against capitol gains, the same rate you or I, or anyone would pay -seems fair to me.  

Wise up buddy.

I'm plenty wise, this really does not even dignify a response.

Terry, If you believe the redistribution of wealth crap you seem to champion, then perhaps Terry should start with Terry.  Do this.  Average income in the US is $32,140.  Take every penny you make above and beyond that and give it away to someone who makes less than that.  Failure to do any less than this makes you a hypocrite -which puts you in good company, because so is our president.

Hrumph...

Dan

Arrghhh, I am cutting you loose as you clearly have absolutely no genuine understanding of macroeconomics and the tax base of our country.

Me, I have a degree or two in economics, not that this makes me any more knowlegable. OK, reading your post, it absolutely does. but that is OK.

Kookaloo Bro, and worry not, the country will easily power through this minor amount of debt that is not even close to a historical high. Hysteria might be close, but collecting taxes from corporations and the rich will address this and is inevitable, or there will be civil war again.

Now, on with the show.