State Of The Union Address

[Dan Filetti]

Just one more point on this subject.  In my mind, the height of hypocrisy is illustrated in a quote from our illustrious president, back in 2006 (when then Senator Obama, voted AGAINST raising the debt ceiling to 9 Trillion).  the quote, word for word from his mouth in 2006:

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. ... Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better." 

Since becoming president, he raised it another 5 Trillion and went begging to congress for another raise. 

Seriously, how do the sheeple of America not see the duplicity?

Dan

[rktmanfj]

Just one more point on this subject.  In my mind, the height of hypocrisy is illustrated in a quote from our illustrious president, back in 2006 (when then Senator Obama, voted AGAINST raising the debt ceiling to 9 Trillion).  the quote, word for word from his mouth in 2006:

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. ... Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better." 

Since becoming president, he raised it another 5 Trillion and went begging to congress for another raise. 

Seriously, how do the sheeple of America not see the duplicity?

Dan

Yes, Dan, but don't you see?

Now he's spending it on his own "shovel-ready" jobs program, etc.     

[terryk]

Just one more point on this subject.  In my mind, the height of hypocrisy is illustrated in a quote from our illustrious president, back in 2006 (when then Senator Obama, voted AGAINST raising the debt ceiling to 9 Trillion).  the quote, word for word from his mouth in 2006:

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. ... Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."  

Since becoming president, he raised it another 5 Trillion and went begging to congress for another raise.  

Seriously, how do the sheeple of America not see the duplicity?

Dan

Yes, Dan, but don't you see?

Now he's spending it on his own "shovel-ready" jobs program, etc.      

1) He inherited a huge mess and should have told us all it would be 5-8 years to clean this up. 2) The republicans are not helping and are not piulling there fair share and teaming to form progress. Obstruction for political gain is not something that will be rewarded. What ideas do they really have except for lowering taxes for the wealthy and corporations. 3) Romney and Gingrich can not be credible candidates. Prediction - Obama re-elected and the republicans loose ground on seats as they so richly deserve.

[rktmanfj]

Please remove your leftist rhetoric from my quote box... I don't want anyone to think I said that.      

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[Dan Filetti]

1) He inherited a huge mess and should have told us all it would be 5-8 years to clean this up.

I refer back to my last posted picture.

2) The republicans are not helping and are not pulling there fair share and teaming to form progress. Obstruction for political gain is not something that will be rewarded. What ideas do they really have except for lowering taxes for the wealthy and corporations.

Wait, let me get your point straight on this?  The republicans are "not helping" like oh, say, NOT VOTING TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING?  Maybe even speechifying rhetorically about how wrong it is? Uh, surely even you Terry, must see the absurdity in the point you are trying to make in the context of my most recent post.

3) Romney and Gingrich can not be credible candidates. Prediction - Obama re-elected and the republicans loose ground on seats as they so richly deserve.

Doubt it, but we will see, won't we?

Cheers.

Dan

[mst3kguy]

k-man,

your new partner must be huge to have actually burst your appendix like that.

[Klavdy]

k-man,

your new partner must be huge to have actually burst your appendix like that.

MATE!
Finally!
You are out!


!!WHOO WHOOP!!





You best not GoWest to L.A just yet but, they have these Firetrucks there now that will get you harder than that turd you left stuck in your dead German mates throat last time.

[axiom-r]

I think it is easy to understand that an individual cannot be trusted not to reach for a better place in life if it is being waved in front of them for the taking...  this is why the banks are complicit and responsible for the real estate crash.

Tim-

That's the crux of it right there.  The penultimate liberal viewpoint:  'people can not be trusted to do the right thing for themselves, they must be coddled, taken care of, micro-managed, ruled!!  

So I guess I'm a genius.  Somehow I saw it was prudent to not spend too much.  All of these other jerks never gave it a thought?  Or did they simply not care?  No wait, they were PREYED upon!  That takes the responsibility right away from them -phrasing it like that, now doesn't it?    

Your other analogy -rabbits and waived carrots- also speaks to the liberal viewpoint.  Again, people are not rabbits, they have this thing called reason, and intellect.  Pardon the right and me for assuming that people can and should actually think!  

You say "...what about the American dream?" Can't you see that for some, that was all it ever was, (or at least should have been) -a dream?  The stark reality is that some folks will not be able to afford owning their own home.  It was a long term goal that not everyone would attain.  If it was easy, everyone would have one...  So it was well meaning liberal meddling that screwed this all up.  They thought they'd try and help that America dream along!  In 1977 Carter dreamed up the "Community Reinvestment Act" which essentially pressured private banks to make riskier loans, as well as set HUD affordable housing goals.

Again in 1999 it was Clinton who pressured Fannie and Freddie to make loans to lower-income people -hell this was in the NYT for crying out loud, at the time, they were proud of their president.  

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/1999-nyt-clinton-pressured-fannie-mae    

Yes, people should have self control, stating otherwise is merely justification for the greed your friends the mortgage bankers showed.  So how can you say that individuals are somehow absolved from needing self control, yet your evil greedy mortgage broker friends (individuals themselves) need it imposed on them?    

Game on.

Dan

Dan, wow you can take a sliver of a crack and turn it into the grand canyon!!  I mean, if you are going to bold one of my comments at font size 87 then at least dont take it out of context eh? "YOU CAN TRUST PEOPLE NOT TO REACH FOR A BETTER PLACE IN LIFE"- don't you agree that most people want a better place in life? So wait, then the flip side is if you are zoning in on we cant trust an individual where do you stand with the banks?  Do you trust the banks?    HA!

Everyone knows that people can be weak and are fail-able. That does not mean we should allow the banks to fraudulently market loans to people they knew would not qualify....  WTF?    Dan, you ARE the exception to the rule- you are a thinker and you use your head. You make decisions based on fact and not emotions- bravo!  The vast majority of people don't have that capacity especially on an issue like this where they have been TRAINED to buy, to accept debt and not think to far forward for themselves.... Plus, the housing bubble was still expanding and the banks preyed on that most vulnerable part of the American psyche.... GREED.  "Just go ahead and buy the house, if the payment becomes a problem next year you can sell it and make up to $250k tax free since its your primary residence,,,"  "sign here".   They did not give a rats ass that the person that just got them a fat commission check just put themselves in a very vulnerable position....  man that is a crime.

It is an open and closed case to me- the banks are guilty as fuck. Our government is complicit for taking the bankers money and dropping regulations and oversight which allowed it to happen.....  Do the individuals hold some responsibility- yeah. But it is justifiable - and they are paying for it are they not?  The banks acted with knowledge of their wrong doing, made buckets of profit and where are they now.......  on vacation in St. Thomas....

Just one more point on this subject.  

Ok the first two signals you gave that you were signing off I bought....  last comment? My guess is no...

Cheers Dan!  I do appreciate a solid debate!


Tim


PS:  I know you blame the individual.  Would you refute what I am saying about the banks - or better, how would you defend their actions??

[terryk]

1) He inherited a huge mess and should have told us all it would be 5-8 years to clean this up.

I refer back to my last posted picture.

2) The republicans are not helping and are not pulling there fair share and teaming to form progress. Obstruction for political gain is not something that will be rewarded. What ideas do they really have except for lowering taxes for the wealthy and corporations.

Wait, let me get your point straight on this?  The republicans are "not helping" like oh, say, NOT VOTING TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING?  Maybe even speechifying rhetorically about how wrong it is? Uh, surely even you Terry, must see the absurdity in the point you are trying to make in the context of my most recent post.

3) Romney and Gingrich can not be credible candidates. Prediction - Obama re-elected and the republicans loose ground on seats as they so richly deserve.

Doubt it, but we will see, won't we?

Cheers.

Dan

BTW - debt ceiling is a red herring and not a genuine issue. I know, this comes as a shock to ears tuned by Fox news.

Our economic system can power out of this debt if, wait for it, corporations and individuals pay their fair shre. Yes we need to control expenses but we also need to tax fiarly and often. 13.9% on Mitt's $21 million, don't that just piss you off. If it does, do not vote republican as they are turning your guilablity into slavery. The middle class is vital and so is a owrking wage for working men and women. tax the rich, expand the economy and pay working wages. Do not be a person who swallows the whole tea party crap boat and smile as the rich steal you and your families future. Wise up buddy.

[craigo]

Why is it that if someone has a conservative view that liberals automatically think that we are all robots that are programed by Fox News? This is the biggest bunch of malarkey that has ever been thrown in my face!!! 
Like we don't have a brain that we can think with and that we don't take into consideration other news outlets. Let me tell you something, I get irritated just as much as some of the BS that comes out of O'Reily's and Hannity's mouth as Keith Oberman's.

It's a pain in the ass to listen to the so called news that spewes out of what ever RICH BASTARD that owns it wants to spin.

Bottom line is, just because I have a Conservative view does not mean I am a mindless robot.

CraigO

[terryk]

Why is it that if someone has a conservative view that liberals automatically think that we are all robots that are programed by Fox News? This is the biggest bunch of malarkey that has ever been thrown in my face!!!  
Like we don't have a brain that we can think with and that we don't take into consideration other news outlets. Let me tell you something, I get irritated just as much as some of the BS that comes out of O'Reily's and Hannity's mouth as Keith Oberman's.

It's a pain in the ass to listen to the so called news that spewes out of what ever RICH BASTARD that owns it wants to spin.

Bottom line is, just because I have a Conservative view does not mean I am a mindless robot.

CraigO

Oberman, Maddow and Wallace are Gods. They will lead us to the liberal heaven and provide us with the conservative cryptonite to lead our country to progressive soicialism and the path to freedom and endless food stamps, free bus passes and 25 hour work weeks. Craigo, come join us.Together we can win.

[edit] Terry, when replying to a quote, make sure you response is below the [quote*] box or it will get co-mingled with the quote.
Makes it hard to read.  Cheers! Pat

[craigo]

Terry, you're on dope!!!! I will never go to the dark side of the entitlement mindset.

CraigO

[terryk]

Terry, you're on dope!!!! I will never go to the dark side of the entitlement mindset.

CraigO

OK, no reason to be conservative and racist.

[craigo]

Terry, you're on dope!!!! I will never go to the dark side of the entitlement mindset.

CraigO

OK, no reason to be conservative and racist.

Racist?  What the hell are you talking about? Where is it in my response that you think that I am racist?

Just because I will not take handouts from the government, you call me racist?

You need some kind of therapy, I don't know what, but you need help!!!

CraigO

[craigo]

Why is it that if someone has a conservative view that liberals automatically think that we are all robots that are programed by Fox News? This is the biggest bunch of malarkey that has ever been thrown in my face!!!  
Like we don't have a brain that we can think with and that we don't take into consideration other news outlets. Let me tell you something, I get irritated just as much as some of the BS that comes out of O'Reily's and Hannity's mouth as Keith Oberman's.

It's a pain in the ass to listen to the so called news that spewes out of what ever RICH BASTARD that owns it wants to spin.

Bottom line is, just because I have a Conservative view does not mean I am a mindless robot.

CraigO

Oberman, Maddow and Wallace are Gods. They will lead us to the liberal heaven and provide us with the conservative cryptonite to lead our country to progressive soicialism and the path to freedom and endless food stamps, free bus passes and 25 hour work weeks. Craigo, come join us.Together we can win.

[edit] Terry, when replying to a quote, make sure you response is below the [quote*] box or it will get co-mingled with the quote.
Makes it hard to read.  Cheers! Pat

Thanks for cleaning that up Pat. And thanks for the complements for my FJ. Only trying (and I mean trying) to emulate your good work on yours. I bow to your abilities...

CraigO