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Started by irishluck, September 06, 2011, 08:10:34 PM

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ddlewis

Quote from: irishluck on September 08, 2011, 11:29:15 AM
ok then let me ask you a question here, how do I go abouts wiring up a newer one to the 10pin or how ever many pins it is old stock flasher. Cause ive looked at newer flasher relays and they only have like 3 wires on them

10 pins, oh that sucks.  It's not just a simple flasher.  So that explains the $100, it serves other purposes.

There's a schematic with wire colors in the service manual and a .pdf version floating around here somewhere.  Might try to figure it out before spending $100 on the OE that probably will not work with LED's anyway.   If you can post it (diagram) up we'll take a look.

irishluck

Yea the flasher has quite a few wires coming out of it. I'm not sure if its exactly 10 pins or not but its around there.

If it was one of the regular little small relays i would of had that done and replaced by now.


I have a wiring diagram at home in my Haynes manual but someone said there not very accurate. Cause my bike is an 87 fj1200 and has 3 front blinker wires but the manual only shows its suppose to have 2.

If I can find a diagram ill post it, if not ill just copy it out of my Haynes book and post it.

pic of my relay


andyb

Just have to bypass the non-required functions and splice it in, really.

The other thing to try would be load resistors to make the unit see more resistance than it would with modern bulbs.

irishluck

well does anyone else know what all these other wires even do or go to? or what else this flasher relay does?

FJ111200

I've got a couple of genuine spare ones, and printed on them it says "turn signal, and hazard warning".
Some bikes come equipped with a switch that when pressed makes all the signal lights flash together when pressed, that's the hazard warning system.
These relays are 9 pin, not 10.

It's not hard to work out where each wire goes if you follow the diagram in the Haynes manual.

irishluck

Quote from: FJ111200 on September 08, 2011, 01:46:43 PM
I've got a couple of genuine spare ones, and printed on them it says "turn signal, and hazard warning".
Some bikes come equipped with a switch that when pressed makes all the signal lights flash together when pressed, that's the hazard warning system.
These relays are 9 pin, not 10.

It's not hard to work out where each wire goes if you follow the diagram in the Haynes manual.


see idk if my relay can do a hazard warning. my stock handlebar switch and my new one just has a left and right and when you push the button in and just cancels out the signal.

well i can do that with the diagram if it was right. I have the 87 fj1200 and when i look that diagram up in the book it shows 2 wire to my front turn signals but my bike has 3, so just looking at that it looks like its not going to be completely accurate

tqmx1

Don't worry about the Blue/Red trace it has nothing to do with the turn signals. It is for the running lights only.

By the way how good is your battry? A low one will cause all sorts of problems.

irishluck

Quote from: tqmx1 on September 08, 2011, 03:12:21 PM
Don't worry about the Blue/Red trace it has nothing to do with the turn signals. It is for the running lights only.

By the way how good is your battry? A low one will cause all sorts of problems.

yea i know its for running lights, i kinda wanted to use them as running lights


And I just bought a brand new battery Saturday, so I know that's good

SlowOldGuy

Quote from: irishluck on September 08, 2011, 02:52:49 PM
well i can do that with the diagram if it was right. I have the 87 fj1200 and when i look that diagram up in the book it shows 2 wire to my front turn signals but my bike has 3, so just looking at that it looks like its not going to be completely accurate

Simple:  Find the wire that lights up the filament you want to flash and wire a different flasher relay into that line.  You might need to be creative with the LED current draw, if so then use a relay intended for LEDs.

Others have successfully wired in a "normal" (car-type) flasher relay into their blinker system, so it can be done.  I recall helping someone with the wiring, but that's been several years ago and I'm currently not able to access any wiring diagrams.

DavidR.

irishluck

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Simple:  Find the wire that lights up the filament you want to flash and wire a different flasher relay into that line.  You might need to be creative with the LED current draw, if so then use a relay intended for LEDs.

Others have successfully wired in a "normal" (car-type) flasher relay into their blinker system, so it can be done.  I recall helping someone with the wiring, but that's been several years ago and I'm currently not able to access any wiring diagrams.

DavidR.

So essentially I could take a LED flasher relay if I decide to put them back on and just splice it into the wire that controls the flashing on it. I wouldn't need to completely disconnect the wire just splice the relay in it right?

yosemite

 have you checked that the connections at the junction blockon the  with the main harness are ok I know it seems basic but youve had the block apart ,could simply be a broken wire or bad connection or a poor earth which would give you the problems you have

irishluck

yea ive checked the wires and all the plugs to and cleaned them, doesnt look like a problem there i dont think

irishluck

Ok now im getting pissed off at this bike.

I put all brand new single filament turn singles on my bike, standard bulbs, standard OEM replacements. still nothing, no blinking or anything with the new or old handlebar switch.  All 4 fuses are perfectly fine, not blown.

The only thing i can even think of would be the flasher relay!

Im about to say f*** it and take all the blinkers off and call it good.

irishluck

i cant even get my horn to work now, brand new 12v horn and i cant even get it to work!

tqmx1

Quote from: irishluck on September 08, 2011, 09:38:28 PM
i cant even get my horn to work now, brand new 12v horn and i cant even get it to work!

Well, From your last statement go over your Grounds (Earths for the euro set). The horn gets power from the ignition switch then to the Horn and from there to the switch and last stop ground. Where ever the bad grounding problem lies is the root of all your problems