EBC HH Pads?

[Dan Filetti]

Anyone running EBC HH Pads?

Do you like them, are there better street options out there?  Are organics preferred?

Thoughts?

Thanks,

Dan

[RichBaker]

Dan, I prefer the OEM pads, now in the R1 calipers, but also back when I had the stock ones....

[racerman_27410]

i had a set of the EBC HH pads on my stock front end and i ditched them after just a few thousand miles..... they were too hard a compound for my riding style (and the FJ which has a lot of engine braking ) had a hard time getting them up to temp and as a result they were very grabby initially.    They also soundsed like they were grinding my rotors down to nothing when just rolling the bike around .

maybe the greens would be better as i've heard favorable remarks about their performance but TBH i like (and run) the OEM FZ1 pads.


Kookaloo!

[jvb_ca]

Dan I concur with what Rich and Frank said. In my monoblocks I had oem pads in, but last year put in some EBC HH cause I had them on the shelf. They take a bit to heat up, make grinding noises and annoying squeals. They do stop the bike ok, but I will be going back to oem's shortly. They just feel better and are quieter.

Cheers...Jake

[Pat Conlon]

I'm using the Galfer HH's in my monoblocks. They're fine. Yea, they hiss a bit but,  I've not seen any adverse wear on my rotors.
Unfortunately I can not go back to organic pads because I'm running the Galfer wave rotors.

[SlowOldGuy]

I'm using the Galfer HH's in my monoblocks. They're fine. Yea, they hiss a bit but,  I've not seen any adverse wear on my rotors.
Unfortunately I can not go back to organic pads because I'm running the Galfer wave rotors.

Why not?  Do HH pads comtaminate the rotor somehow?  Can you only use HH pads on wave rotors? 

I kind of doubt it's that serious?  Maybe they just want to scare you into always using their pads?

DavidR.

[rktmanfj]

I'm using the Galfer HH's in my monoblocks. They're fine. Yea, they hiss a bit but,  I've not seen any adverse wear on my rotors.
Unfortunately I can not go back to organic pads because I'm running the Galfer wave rotors.

Why not?  Do HH pads comtaminate the rotor somehow?  Can you only use HH pads on wave rotors? 

I kind of doubt it's that serious?  Maybe they just want to scare you into always using their pads?

DavidR.

So then, what kind of pads do ya run on the Chinese wave rotors?       

Randy T
Indy

[Pat Conlon]

I'm using the Galfer HH's in my monoblocks. They're fine. Yea, they hiss a bit but,  I've not seen any adverse wear on my rotors.
Unfortunately I can not go back to organic pads because I'm running the Galfer wave rotors.

Why not?  Do HH pads comtaminate the rotor somehow?  Can you only use HH pads on wave rotors? 

I kind of doubt it's that serious?  Maybe they just want to scare you into always using their pads?

DavidR.

So then, what kind of pads do ya run on the Chinese wave rotors?       

Randy T
Indy

I have been told that soft organic pads get eaten up by the sharp edges of the wave rotors. Like cheese thru a cheese grater.
Galfer dosen't care whose pads you run, as long as they are rated HH or harder.
In big bold letters on the Galfer package:
WARNING: USE BRAKE PADS RATED HH OR HARDER WITH THESE ROTORS. DO NOT USE ORGANIC BRAKE PADS. THE USE OF ORGANIC PADS WILL RESULT IN PREMATURE PAD WEAR AND BRAKE FAILURE RESULTING IN POSSIBLE INJURY AND OR DEATH.
The warning is repeated in Spanish and French.

Perhaps the manufacturer is trying to tell me something? Just a guess.  I don't know if the eBay China knockoff's have the same warning.

[SlowOldGuy]

Pat,
Not arguing, just trying to see the logic.

The edge thing kind of makes sense, but is it significantly different than the holes in my drilled rotors? My organic pads seem to last a very long time.

I recall reading that there's something unique about the edges on a wave rotor (like the edge is an additional braking surface?), but don't remember it being particularly bad for organic pads.  Holes in a drilled rotor are for giving water somewhere to go, but I kind of thought the reason for a wave rotor was mainly for weight reduction.

I think we've had this discussion before, but the frictional force between 2 surfaces is not a big function of the contact area.  It's more dependent on the coefficient of friction between the 2 surfaces and the normal (caliper piston) force applied.  Wave rotors have reduced surface area (and weight), but it doesn't affect their ability to create stopping power.  Does a wave rotor run hotter since it has less surface area to dissipate heat? Or do the wave surfaces actually add extra dissipation surface along the perimeter of the rotor?

I have a somewhat jaded view of the braking world.  Especially brake shops who claim that rotors need to be turned at every pad change so that on the 3rd pad change your rotors are too thin and you need to buy new rotors (and have them turned before installation).  I haven't had a rotor turned in that last 30 years on any of my vehicles and my brakes work just fine (as long as there's no rotor damage from neglect).  I guess that cynical attitude spills over to all aspects of brake components.

DavidR.

[Pat Conlon]

David, I'm not sure exactly why, but the Galfer folks seem insistent about using  HH or better pads.  In fact, they were so adamant, that when I bought the set of  wave rotors, they sent me a free set of HH pads to help ensure that I use them.
Galfer has some smart folks who know more about brake systems and their product than I.
It's interesting to note that HH pads are not mentioned here: http://www.galferusa.com/Basic_Rotor_Installation_Tips.pdf

My hunch is that it's the long sharp edges on the wave rotors swishing across the pad surface that's detrimental. We know organics are fine with drilled rotors.

Tell you what, when my current HH's wear down, I'll replace them with some oem organics and report back how they work.
I'll have to sand off the old HH boundary layer on the rotor, so I can deposit a new boundary layer with a different compound pad, but it's no big deal.

[SlowOldGuy]

Oh sure, thanks Pat.

Now if you die because:

THE USE OF ORGANIC PADS WILL RESULT IN PREMATURE PAD WEAR AND BRAKE FAILURE RESULTING IN POSSIBLE INJURY AND OR DEATH.

I'll feel all guilty.  Because I'm sure you had your rotors "installed by a factory trained professional."

:-)

Again, I'm just somewhat skeptical of such over-reactive claims (by the manufacturer, not you)

Here's how I translate the manufacturer's statement:
"If you have enough money to buy our overpriced rotors, then you must be able to afford our most expensive pads.  Thanks for contributing to our bottom line now go out and share the cool-aid with your friends."

I can believe that wave rotors may be harder on organic pads than HH pads.  But I seriously doubt that those rotors will chew through a set of organics in 30 miles and send you flying off the nearest cliff.  :-)

But as with all topics motorcycle related (ie oil, tires, fuel grade, etc), I encourage riders to use whatever they want to make them comfortable and confident about their bike.  

For me, it's diesel oil, green pads and a bias ply Harley rear tire.  I guess it's good that I don't ride anywhere near cliffs in Texas.  :-)

DavidR.

[Pat Conlon]

"....For me, it's diesel oil, green pads and a bias ply Harley rear tire.  I guess it's good that I don't ride anywhere near cliffs in Texas.....  :-)

DavidR.

You forgot to mention your total disregard for "the" warning: USE ONLY DOT3 or DOT4 BRAKE FLUID FROM A SEALED CONTAINER.

I wonder how many silver bullets my guardian angel has left ??

[LA Mike]

I'm using the Galfer HH's in my monoblocks. They're fine. Yea, they hiss a bit but,  I've not seen any adverse wear on my rotors.
Unfortunately I can not go back to organic pads because I'm running the Galfer wave rotors.

Why not?  Do HH pads comtaminate the rotor somehow?  Can you only use HH pads on wave rotors? 

I kind of doubt it's that serious?  Maybe they just want to scare you into always using their pads?

DavidR.

So then, what kind of pads do ya run on the Chinese wave rotors?       

Randy T
Indy

I have a set of Asian rotors that just got last week and they look just as well made as stock rotors. I have not put them on yet, but I do plan on running stock pads w/ my monoblocks. After I puts some miles on them I'll report back.

LA Mike

[mikeholzer]

For me, it's diesel oil, green pads and a bias ply Harley rear tire.  

DavidR.

After reading of all of everybody's mods, I was beginning to think I was the only one who was going this route. I'm with you, David.

I do, however, use DOT 4 exclusively (and always from a sealed container). Brake fluid exchanges annually on the bike and every-other year on the cars.

[TRoy]

comtaminate

Hi Dave