FIGHT THE POWER

[Dan Filetti]

One would act professionally, not let subjective opinion cloud the objective fact that there are rules and procedures that must be followed in these settings.
This is not about the breastfeeding mother, it is about the corruption and malfeasance of the TSA.
It makes no difference what she may or may not have done prior to this episode, it is not up to the TSA to "Teach her a lesson"


So, following your logic,Cops can pull you over('coz that's where the Cops work)and if you ask them for probable or primary cause for the stop(screwing with the Cop) they can say "Fuck You, I didn't write the rules so they don't apply to me, I'll do as I please ,citizen."

Malfeasance is intentionally doing something either legally or morally wrong which one had no right to do. It always involves dishonesty, illegality, or knowingly exceeding authority for improper reasons.

You're being intellectually dishonest Klavdy, and you likely know it, so I'm not going to invest a lot of energy on challenging you, other than to say this. 

It DOES make a difference if her agenda is to create a situation where she can file a complaint, get the video, and post it out for all to be mortified.  Just like it makes a difference, using your analogy, if you leave your house right now looking for cops to F* with.  When if you actually get caught by a cop you've been F*ing with, you cannot honestly expect to be treated the same as the guy getting pulled over for speeding 10 over.  As long as the cop does nothing that is illegal, or unethical, it is ridiculous to cry foul when you are treated more harshly than someone else.  My only point has been, and continues to be, if you go looking for trouble, NO ONE should be surprised when you actually find it.

Oh, and by the way, can ANYONE tell me what in the entire video, the TSA did that was a) illegal or b) unethical?  They held someone for what, 45 minutes?  She missed a flight.  Unless I'm mistaken both of these things, while inconvenient, are well within their power to do.  You'd don't want to fly? -Don't, it's really that simple.

Dan

[wakdady]

No one 'makes' these people do anything...

If they don't want to do what is required to pass the checkpoint, they can simply turn around and leave.     

Randy T
Indy

yeah, sure. What will you do when you are subjected to the same stuff when driving across states, or cities, or even walking from one part of your city to another?
You shouldn't even need to show your ID to fly domestically IMO

remember the G8 summit in seattle? even having a PIN that was against it and you were not allowed into that part of the city.

[rktmanfj]

No one 'makes' these people do anything...

If they don't want to do what is required to pass the checkpoint, they can simply turn around and leave.     

Randy T
Indy

You shouldn't even need to show your ID to fly domestically IMO

If you really believe that, you are to naive to reason with, so I won't even bother to try.

Randy T
Indy

[wakdady]

ah, yes, the ad hominem attack. Thanks for that.

[Marsh White]

ah, yes, the ad hominem attack. Thanks for that.

I missed that one in college somehow and had to look it up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Cool!  I can now honestly say I learned something today!   

[Klavdy]

"Befehl ist Befehl"

[rktmanfj]

"Befehl ist Befehl"

I would have thought that by now, this thread would have served its purpose for you.

Apparently not.

Randy T
Indy

[Dan Filetti]

"Befehl ist Befehl"

caveat emptor.

Did you not read the words: "as long as the cop does nothing that is illegal, or unethical"  Befehl ist Befehl, as a justification, is neither legal or ethical.

We all have latitude within what is legal, and/ or ethical to reward or punish those we encounter, depending on, in large part, how we are treated by them. 

If you want to lie to yourself and say that in their shoes you would not at least consider punishing this trouble-maker, then so be it.

[andyoutandabout]

All this intellectual cock fighting has got me all confused. I don't want to sound sexist, but I'd shag that young mum in hart beat.
That'll piss the feminists off.

[racerman_27410]

All this intellectual cock fighting has got me all confused. I don't want to sound sexist, but I'd shag that young mum in hart beat.
That'll piss the feminists off.

mmmmmmmmmmm Booooooobs !!!

kookaloo with nipples!   

[wakdady]

haha! i was gonna comment on her behind, but i opted to keep quiet. no longer 

[1tinindian]

haha! i was gonna comment on her behind, but i opted to keep quiet. no longer 

I'd hit her in the shitter, with the one-eyed critter!

[RichBaker]

This whole scan or pat down thing is overkill and unnecessary.  The Israeli's seem to manage good security without all the intrusiveness.

For the price of each of these machines (which seems like nothing more than some politicians guaranteeing their buddies a nice profit) you could buy and train many explosive sniffing dogs that would be more accurate, productive, and less intrusive than this.

Unless forced to for business reasons, I don't plan on flying anymore.  I have nothing to hide, but this is truly Orwellian and I don't care to be exposed to X-rays any more than medically necessary.

The terrorists are succeeding in their mission to remove all traces of a free democratic republic (and shred our constitution) from earth.

Yep... just google "Chertoff+body scanner" and see the corruption and greed.....

[RichBaker]

One would act professionally, not let subjective opinion cloud the objective fact that there are rules and procedures that must be followed in these settings.
This is not about the breastfeeding mother, it is about the corruption and malfeasance of the TSA.
It makes no difference what she may or may not have done prior to this episode, it is not up to the TSA to "Teach her a lesson"


So, following your logic,Cops can pull you over('coz that's where the Cops work)and if you ask them for probable or primary cause for the stop(screwing with the Cop) they can say "Fuck You, I didn't write the rules so they don't apply to me, I'll do as I please ,citizen."

Malfeasance is intentionally doing something either legally or morally wrong which one had no right to do. It always involves dishonesty, illegality, or knowingly exceeding authority for improper reasons.

You're being intellectually dishonest Klavdy, and you likely know it, so I'm not going to invest a lot of energy on challenging you, other than to say this. 

It DOES make a difference if her agenda is to create a situation where she can file a complaint, get the video, and post it out for all to be mortified.  Just like it makes a difference, using your analogy, if you leave your house right now looking for cops to F* with.  When if you actually get caught by a cop you've been F*ing with, you cannot honestly expect to be treated the same as the guy getting pulled over for speeding 10 over.  As long as the cop does nothing that is illegal, or unethical, it is ridiculous to cry foul when you are treated more harshly than someone else.  My only point has been, and continues to be, if you go looking for trouble, NO ONE should be surprised when you actually find it.

Oh, and by the way, can ANYONE tell me what in the entire video, the TSA did that was a) illegal or b) unethical?  They held someone for what, 45 minutes?  She missed a flight.  Unless I'm mistaken both of these things, while inconvenient, are well within their power to do.  You'd don't want to fly? -Don't, it's really that simple.

Dan

So, you're saying that what the TSA agents did to her WAS ethical and legal??  I don't think so.......

[RichBaker]

"Befehl ist Befehl"

caveat emptor.

Did you not read the words: "as long as the cop does nothing that is illegal, or unethical"  Befehl ist Befehl, as a justification, is neither legal or ethical.

We all have latitude within what is legal, and/ or ethical to reward or punish those we encounter, depending on, in large part, how we are treated by them.  

If you want to lie to yourself and say that in their shoes you would not at least consider punishing this trouble-maker, then so be it.

Where in their job description does it allow them to PUNISH anyone??  Cops as well!!  Their sole purpose in life(TSA) is to ensure the safety of the flying public......  Their attempting to PUNISH anyone IS unethical and illegal!