Unstable and Hanging RPM's

[Warp84]

Trying to dial in the Carbs on my 84 1100 and been having issues getting it smoothed out.

Pilot Fuel jets are 42.5's, replaced all the o-rings and gaskets in the carbs. The carbs were cleaned in an ultrasonic cleaner.

When running, the bike responses quickly to throttle, but is showing other issues. When on the centerstand and holding the throttle in place, the RPM's will fluctuate up and down by 500-1000 RPM. Sometimes the fluctuation is quick, making the needle on the tac tick. Other times it'll take 4-6 seconds to fluctuate. RPM also hangs when coming down from anything at 4k rpm or above. Often taking 2-3 seconds to return from 4k to Idle.

We tried doing a leak test at the intake manifold and the vacuum nipples but couldn't locate one. Despite that, I still think part of the problem is a vacuum leak on the intake manifold. But I would like help sorting out all the issues so I can finally get this old girl back on the road for this riding season.

[Warp84]

Trying to dial in the Carbs on my 84 1100 and been having issues getting it smoothed out.

Pilot Fuel jets are 42.5's, replaced all the o-rings and gaskets in the carbs. The carbs were cleaned in an ultrasonic cleaner.

When running, the bike responses quickly to throttle, but is showing other issues. When on the centerstand and holding the throttle in place, the RPM's will fluctuate up and down by 500-1000 RPM. Sometimes the fluctuation is quick, making the needle on the tac tick. Other times it'll take 4-6 seconds to fluctuate. RPM also hangs when coming down from anything at 4k rpm or above. Often taking 2-3 seconds to return from 4k to Idle.

We tried doing a leak test at the intake manifold and the vacuum nipples but couldn't locate one. Despite that, I still think part of the problem is a vacuum leak on the intake manifold. But I would like help sorting out all the issues so I can finally get this old girl back on the road for this riding season.

Slight Correction. When I say hanging RPM's, I mean slowly returning to idle. Not getting stuck at a particular RPM point.

The Bike was getting actually hanged up when it was using 37.5 pilot jets, not crossing past 2.5k RPM, shooting up to 4k and staying there. But haven't had that specific issue after I put in the 42.5 Pilot Jets.

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Trying to dial in the Carbs on my 84 1100 and been having issues getting it smoothed out.
We tried doing a leak test at the intake manifold and the vacuum nipples but couldn't locate one. Despite that, I still think part of the problem is a vacuum leak on the intake manifold. But I would like help sorting out all the issues so I can finally get this old girl back on the road for this riding season.

Warp 84,
To find a vacuum leak, use aerosol spray-can ether (starting fluid). With the engine running, spray a little on each part of the intake system in turn. If spraying any one place causes a change in RPM (up or down), you just sprayed the vacuum leak place. Repair as needed. HTH.   

[Billy Bananahead]

When running, the bike responses quickly to throttle, but is showing other issues. When on the centerstand and holding the throttle in place, the RPM's will fluctuate up and down by 500-1000 RPM. Sometimes the fluctuation is quick, making the needle on the tac tick. Other times it'll take 4-6 seconds to fluctuate. RPM also hangs when coming down from anything at 4k rpm or above. Often taking 2-3 seconds to return from 4k to Idle.
 

This to me says that the idle mixture screws aren't set quite right. I'd try adjusting up or down until it smoothes out.

[86FJNJ]

What is the ambient temperature? I had tuned my FJ in summertime and it ran perfect but when I started riding into the fall as it got colder out the 50F morning starts were difficult and I had a hanging idle that generally went away when the bike and day warmed up. I suspect it wasn't getting enough fuel with the colder ambient temps because I know it was set perfect when it was hot out.

Did you recently may any other modifications like air filter or exhaust?

[Warp84]

Trying to dial in the Carbs on my 84 1100 and been having issues getting it smoothed out.
We tried doing a leak test at the intake manifold and the vacuum nipples but couldn't locate one. Despite that, I still think part of the problem is a vacuum leak on the intake manifold. But I would like help sorting out all the issues so I can finally get this old girl back on the road for this riding season.

Warp 84,
To find a vacuum leak, use aerosol spray-can ether (starting fluid). With the engine running, spray a little on each part of the intake system in turn. If spraying any one place causes a change in RPM (up or down), you just sprayed the vacuum leak place. Repair as needed. HTH.   

We tried that but I'll give it another go incase we missed a spot.

[Warp84]

What is the ambient temperature? I had tuned my FJ in summertime and it ran perfect but when I started riding into the fall as it got colder out the 50F morning starts were difficult and I had a hanging idle that generally went away when the bike and day warmed up. I suspect it wasn't getting enough fuel with the colder ambient temps because I know it was set perfect when it was hot out.

Did you recently may any other modifications like air filter or exhaust?

The heated garage is 60f, outside was 24f. We started the bike with the door closed (over 2k square feet in the garage bay so this isn't immediately unsafe) And after 5 minutes opened the garage door. The smoothness of the response to the throttle improved as it warmed up, but the RPM flux and slow drop persisted the entire time.

No Mods to exhaust, P.O. put in a washable air filter, however I put in the filter I got from Partzilla, which should be OEM.

[86FJNJ]

sounds like it needs some more fuel, my guess is if it was 75F out you won't have those issues. Maybe crank up the heat in your garage and put a space heater on the engine for an hour and see if it acts any better.

42.5 pilots should be fine for your setup. Maybe back out the fuel mixture screws a 1/8 turn and see if that improves things. Or if your slide needles are adjustable maybe raise the needles a notch by lowering the clip that could help get some more fuel off idle.

[86FJNJ]

how many turns out are your fuel mixture screws?

[Warp84]

how many turns out are your fuel mixture screws?

About 2.25 turns out. I'm not sure these mixture screws are OEM, they seem longer. They were obtained before I learned my lesson and started getting my supplies from RPM.

[86FJNJ]

In my early FJ days I went with some cheap china ebay stuff for carbs and learned my lesson too. Have you tried 2.5 turns out on the fuel mixture screws to see if that improves things?

Here in NJ it will be 50F tomorrow, if you have any warmer days in your area a test ride would be good if the bike responds/runs well in mid range and top end then it's likely a fuel issue in the pilot circuit either related to your fuel mixture screws, non-OEM pilot jets and/or clogged passageways in carbs.

I had a set of carbs I could not get fully clean, I put seafoam in the next few tank fill ups and went out for several spirited ride and that helped. Since then I run Yamalube Ring Free Plus Fuel Additive in each tankful of gas to help keep things clean.

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[Warp84]

In my early FJ days I went with some cheap china ebay stuff for carbs and learned my lesson too. Have you tried 2.5 turns out on the fuel mixture screws to see if that improves things?

Here in NJ it will be 50F tomorrow, if you have any warmer days in your area a test ride would be good if the bike responds/runs well in mid range and top end then it's likely a fuel issue in the pilot circuit either related to your fuel mixture screws, non-OEM pilot jets and/or clogged passageways in carbs.

I had a set of carbs I could not get fully clean, I put seafoam in the next few tank fill ups and went out for several spirited ride and that helped. Since then I run Yamalube Ring Free Plus Fuel Additive in each tankful of gas to help keep things clean.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002GU4SN2?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_3&th=1

The jets are all original Genuine Mikuni parts, all have the maker mark on them. The 42.5 jets I had put in were from RPM. I currently have the flat bottom slides and y-0 Emulsion tubes in the carbs. But I also have a set of round bottom slides and y-2 emulsion tubes that came from an 85 FJ100. Should I switch it over to the Y-2 tubes and round bottom slides?

Forgot to put in, we started at 2.5 turns out and it seemed to be getting too rich hence we brought it down to 2.25. Was getting foggy grey exhaust instead of clear exhaust

[86FJNJ]

If you can't get it dialed in as is it would be worth trying the other slides and tubes. Are you sure the grey exhaust was from too much fuel? My FJ smokes like a chimney after the fist 30 seconds for about 3 minutes because the valve seals are original and oil leaks past them when sitting so when I first start it that needs to burn off. After that it doesn't really smoke.

If your FJ was running well at 2.5 out but just had some smoke I'd be tempted to ride it like that and then keep tuning from there after you know how it's behaving more after warmed up and through the rpm range. It's going to be tough IMP to dial in the carbs without riding it. Is this a bike you had running well at one point in the past or is this something you got from PO and have been rehabbing it but not ridden it yet?

[Warp84]

If you can't get it dialed in as is it would be worth trying the other slides and tubes. Are you sure the grey exhaust was from too much fuel? My FJ smokes like a chimney after the fist 30 seconds for about 3 minutes because the valve seals are original and oil leaks past them when sitting so when I first start it that needs to burn off. After that it doesn't really smoke.

If your FJ was running well at 2.5 out but just had some smoke I'd be tempted to ride it like that and then keep tuning from there after you know how it's behaving more after warmed up and through the rpm range. It's going to be tough IMP to dial in the carbs without riding it. Is this a bike you had running well at one point in the past or is this something you got from PO and have been rehabbing it but not ridden it yet?

When we went to 2.5 turns out, after it had warmed up for 10 minutes, it started emitting the smoke again out the pipe hence why we were concerned it was too rich at that point More specifically, when blipped. Turned it down to 2.25 and the smoke cleared even when blipping.

As for the bike. When I got it, it hadn't run in 17 years, and sat for 14 years straight with it's oil-pan off. Replaced the oil pickup gasket which was cut in half for some reason, as well as the oil pan gasket. The bike wasn't running right, as one of the top bowl section, where the slide sits, was cracked on Carb #2, and cylinder #3 was dead at idle. Carb #3 also had destroyed threads for the adjustment screw and pilot fuel jet. So The #2 and #3 carb bodies were replaced with the bodies from a 1985 carb stack, hence how I got the other slides and emulsion tubes. And why I replaced all the fuel jets with 37.5's (By mistake) from RPM, before being corrected on the forums here, and getting a set of 42.5's, also from RPM.

Right now she starts easy and idles at 1100 RPM on the digital man-o-meter, all cylinders running, (1.35k-1.4k reading on the tac) Just having the issues (That you've been discussing with me) when I give it power. So it's actually been running better than ever, compared to when I got the bike originally.

[86FJNJ]

have you ridden it like this or is all the tuning based on the bike in the garage?  I rehabbed my FJ from PO who let it sit 15 years, I was only able to get it about 90-95% dialed in on the center stand the rest came from riding it and then coming back and making minor adjustments. I can honestly say it took me like 300 miles of riding before I found the sweet spot for my set up. Have you tired fuel mixture screws in between 2.25 and 2.5? Are you using adjustable slide needs or are they the ones with the little plastic donut on them? I'm curious how your slide needles are set.

Also if tuning while idling be sure to put a big fan on that engine to help cool it and even then don't let it idle too long as even a big fan wont cool that engine the way air flow would cool it at even a low speed of 15mph.