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Started by ribbert, December 08, 2020, 04:01:17 AM

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ribbert

Much has been written here over the years on plastic welding and some of our members have achieved near black belt status in it but I don't recall anything being written about the methods used to strengthen the join once it's been welded.

Noel
"Tell a wise man something he doesn't know and he'll thank you, tell a fool something he doesn't know and he'll abuse you"

Old Rider

Quote from: ribbert on December 08, 2020, 04:01:17 AM
Much has been written here over the years on plastic welding and some of our members have achieved near black belt status in it but I don't recall anything being written about the methods used to strengthen the join once it's been welded.

Noel

I have tried this method :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRCMIDILfEI

But my experience is that it just cracks open again on the
old brittle plastic on the FJ . I use to make a reinforcement with epoxy putty on the backside after first welded and
scratched the surface .

ZOA NOM

That's the beauty of Plastifix. It replaces the plastic and chemically bonds it. It's as strong as new.
Rick

Current:
2010 Honda VFR1200 DCT (Full Auto!)
1993 FJ/GSXR 1200 (-ABS)
1987 Porsche 911 Carrera (Race)
1988 Porsche Carrera (Street)
Previous:
1993 FJ1200 (FIREBALL)
1993 FJ1200ABS (RIP my collar bone)
1986 FZ750
1984 FJ600
1982 Seca

Waiex191

My lower fairing has one of the parts cracked off at the aft mount bolt and is only held on by the heat shield.  I was going to fiberglass it on the inside.
Bryan
1989 FJ1200
1981 Suzuki GN400
Poplar Grove, IL
 

ZOA NOM

Quote from: Waiex191 on December 08, 2020, 08:56:42 AM
My lower fairing has one of the parts cracked off at the aft mount bolt and is only held on by the heat shield.  I was going to fiberglass it on the inside.

Definitely investigate PlastiFix



Rick

Current:
2010 Honda VFR1200 DCT (Full Auto!)
1993 FJ/GSXR 1200 (-ABS)
1987 Porsche 911 Carrera (Race)
1988 Porsche Carrera (Street)
Previous:
1993 FJ1200 (FIREBALL)
1993 FJ1200ABS (RIP my collar bone)
1986 FZ750
1984 FJ600
1982 Seca

fj1289

Didn't I see something a good while back about paper clips bent and used with a large soldering iron?  A DIY version of Fred's incredible garage sale find?  Seems the imbedded metal would be a good reinforcement.

red

Quote from: ribbert on December 08, 2020, 04:01:17 AMMuch has been written here over the years on plastic welding and some of our members have achieved near black belt status in it but I don't recall anything being written about the methods used to strengthen the join once it's been welded.
Noel
Noel,

Wire screen-door screening material is good, too; just make sure it's really metal screening (a sample does not burn).  Bend as needed and trim to a good fit with tinsnips or heavy scissors, so there is no metal coming out of the patched area.  You can tack the screen patch into place with a hot soldering iron, of course.
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Cheers,
Red

P.S. Life is too short, and health is too valuable, to ride on cheap parade-duty tires.

aviationfred

Plastex/Plastifix can't be beat for the simplicity of use and the ability to actually form missing parts. https://www.aerostich.com/plastex-repair-kit.html?___SID=U

I still have good luck with the old tried and true Black ABS cement. I had a broken tab on the rear seat cowling for my VFR. I mixed the ABS cement with loose fiberglass fibers. This has held fast with no signs of failing.

As Chris mentions.... the Hot stapler machine is a game changer. When I had to make main fairing repairs after the attempted theft of my 95. The fairing was presentable with about an hours worth of work.

1st photo is the VFR cowling tab
2nd photo is the inner side VFR tab, ugly but functional
3nd photo is the Main fairing damage
4rd photo are the Hot staples
5th is the finished repair.
6th photo is enlarged from a 10 foot away shot.

Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

Bones

On one of my chin fairings I used a soldering iron to weld the joints together, then cut a piece out of an old spare I have and using the soldering iron welded the two pieces together. The place where it cracked is now twice the thickness and so far on last inspection is still holding up.
93 fj1200
79 suzuki gt250x7


Too young to be old but old enough to know better.

X-Ray

As previously mentioned, I have used Plastex on some horrible breaks, and it really does work. Have not had a repair break yet as it actually fuses to the original ABS material
'94 FJ1200 Wet Pale Brown
'93 FJ1200 Dark Violet/Silver
'84 FJ1100 Red/White

'91 FJ1200 Dark Violet/Silver ( Now Sold)
'92 FJ1200 Project/Resto Dark Violet/Silver (Now Sold)






For photos of my rear wheel swap, heres the link  https://www.flickr.com/gp/150032671@N02/62k3KZ

JMR

Quote from: ZOA NOM on December 08, 2020, 08:53:06 AM
That's the beauty of Plastifix. It replaces the plastic and chemically bonds it. It's as strong as new.
It is a great product. Not cheap but I have repaired many plastic parts with it.

Millietant

I love that kit that Fred uses - I used a paper clip, held in needle nosed pliers and heated with a gas torch, to strengthen the joint where I re-attached the piece of my belly pan that got damaged cornering at the Nurburgring many years ago. It was fiddly but so far seems to holding up really well.

I've just read about a plastic welding kit which was used/reviewed in a bike magazine for repairing bike plastics. They gave it a 10 out of 10 rating  :good2:.

Dean

'89 FJ 1200 3CV - owned from new.
'89 FJ 1200 3CV - no engine, tank, seat....parts bike for the future.
'88 FJ 1200 3CV - complete runner 2024 resto project
'88 FJ 1200 3CV - became a race bike, no longer with us.
'86 FJ 1200 1TX - sold to my boss to finance the '89 3CV I still own.

red

Quote from: Millietant on December 10, 2020, 09:53:07 AMI love that kit that Fred uses - I used a paper clip, held in needle nosed pliers and heated with a gas torch, to strengthen the joint where I re-attached the piece of my belly pan that got damaged cornering at the Nurburgring many years ago. It was fiddly but so far seems to holding up really well.
I've just read about a plastic welding kit which was used/reviewed in a bike magazine for repairing bike plastics. They gave it a 10 out of 10 rating 
http://fjowners.com/gallery/12/6213_10_12_20_9_51_23.jpeg
Millietant,

Kinda pricey at US$104 (at the exchange rate on this date), but I'd like to hear if anybody uses it, and for what item, and the results.

The kit is a butane torch with plastic welding rods, for four different flavors of plastic (including ABS).  A local source of more ABS welding rods would be good, here.
I have no pressing need for the kit right now, but it's got a bookmark here.  Thanks for the tip.

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/power-tec-plastic-welding-kit-92418/
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Cheers,
Red

P.S. Life is too short, and health is too valuable, to ride on cheap parade-duty tires.

giantkiller

I've used plastex many times. Have had no failures so far. Comes with molding bars. Can be reused. Can buy individual components from the company.
Here is a  scoop that was missing the entire coner. Took a mold from a good  piece. Molded in new piece. Put  fine fiberglass cloth on the back. Put  plastex powder on the  fiberglass and  whet with solution. Fiberglass embedded plastic. Sand primer. Done. SUPER EASY.
86 fj1350r
86 fj1380t turbo drag toy (soon)
87 fj1200 865 miles crashed for parts
89 fj1200 touring 2up
87 fzr1000 crashed
87 fzr750r Human Race teams world endurance champion
93 fzr600 Vance n hines ltd for sale
Custom chopper I built
Mini chopper I built for my daughter just like the big 1

Charlie-brm

Quote from: Old Rider on December 08, 2020, 05:41:54 AM
Quote from: ribbert on December 08, 2020, 04:01:17 AM
Much has been written here over the years on plastic welding and some of our members have achieved near black belt status in it but I don't recall anything being written about the methods used to strengthen the join once it's been welded.

Noel

I have tried this method :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRCMIDILfEI

But my experience is that it just cracks open again on the
old brittle plastic on the FJ . I use to make a reinforcement with epoxy putty on the backside after first welded and
scratched the surface .

I've seen that lad before but on this one I had to stop watching within a minute. If he thinks a dollar store paint tray is 1/ injection molded and 2/ nylon based, I'm out of here.
If someone wants to see any images I refer to in posts, first check my gallery here. If no bueno, send me a PM. More than glad to share.
Current Model: 1990 FJ1200 3CV since 2020
Past Models: 1984 FJ1100 - 2012 to 2020
1979 XS750SF - 2005 to 2012