2020 Aussie FJ Rally - Dartmouth Victoria

[oldktmdude]

Hey Pete, what about me?
I'll be there.

Tony, I didn't forget about you, your attendance is a bit of a rarity these days as well. Looking forward to having a beer and and a chat with you.
And you better have a good excuse for not attending our Bermagui shed weekends!
   Regards, Pete. 

[Sparky84]

Might be in for a wet day of riding on arrival day, so be prepared.

[X-Ray]

Mmmmm, think I will be bringing the other FJ, not the freshly painted and detailed one ☹️

[Sparky84]

Mmmmm, think I will be bringing the other FJ, not the freshly painted and detailed one ☹️

Quite a dilemma you have Ray, which bike to choose   

I think I'll take the red and white one, undetailed 

It's looking like most of the weekend of rain now, Mmmmm 

It's been a few years since I've had to ride in a good all day soaking, should be nice 

Cheers
Alan

[X-Ray]

Mmmm, its showing a 50-60% chance of some rain while we are there, and in the days leading up to it. They are good odds, up here 50-60% forecast means zero rain lol, 

[ribbert]

Mmmmm, think I will be bringing the other FJ, not the freshly painted and detailed one ☹️

My non attendance and consequent removal of any serious competition means you can now afford to lower the bar. 

Are yours like mine Ray, by an amazing stroke of luck and coincidence, the two bikes have they same registration number?


Noel

[ribbert]

Might be in for a wet day of riding on arrival day, so be prepared.

I can't believe rain is forecast, it hasn't rained here for 6 mths and late Summer into Autumn is usually the best weather.

Noel

[Sparky84]

Are yours like mine Ray, by an amazing stroke of luck and coincidence, the two bikes have they same registration number?


Noel

I think Ray's got the Freshly painted one on the cheap rego scheme 

Hope you heal well Noel you'll be missed..

btw Noel, should I soak my clutch plates for 12 or 24 hrs and at what temperature? 

[ribbert]

btw Noel, should I soak my clutch plates for 12 or 24 hrs and at what temperature? 

Alan, there are some things one simply doesn't joke about, fortunately that's not one of them. 

Noel

[Sparky84]

btw Noel, should I soak my clutch plates for 12 or 24 hrs and at what temperature? 

Alan, there are some things one simply doesn't joke about, fortunately that's not one of them. 

Noel

Sorry Noel, I thought I'd try and brighten your day 

You will be missed at the Rally 

Cheers
Alan

[racerrad8]

btw Noel, should I soak my clutch plates for 12 or 24 hrs and at what temperature?  

Alan, there are some things one simply doesn't joke about, fortunately that's not one of them.  
Noel

Sorry Noel, I thought I'd try and brighten your day  
Cheers
Alan

Alan,

Direct from Mike, the owner of Barnett Clutches, who knows more about motorcycle clutches than Noel and the rest of the forum combined, insists on soaking the clutch frictions overnight in the oil they will be operating in.

I just wanted to let you know what one of the largest aftermarket clutch manufactures recommends for motorcycle clutches.

BTW way, Noel speaking "stroke"...

...by an amazing stroke...
Noel

This reminds me, we are still awaiting your answer to the question since you put it out there...

http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=19130.msg194363#msg194363

Randy - RPM

[Sparky84]

Any of these road on our route ?

The following key roads in Kosciuszko National Park remain closed:

Alpine Way area:
Olsens Lookout Road
Geehi Dam Road
Geehi Walls trail
Major Clews trail
Grassy Flats trail
Murray Gates trail
Bicentennial trail
Cabramurra area:
Link Road from Snowy Mountains Highway to Goat Ridge Road
Tooma Road - KNP5 (Khancoban to Cabramurra Road) - expected reopening December 2020
Goats Ridge Road
Elliot Way - expected reopening May 2021
Kings Cross Road
Snowy Mountains Highway area:
Tantangara Road
Long Plain Road
Yarrangobilly Caves Road
Goobragandra Power Line Road
These roads and trails will remain closed until hazardous trees are treated, debris is removed and repair work is completed.

https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/alerts/alerts-list?fbclid=IwAR1M-XOnkUAmvaRUw81HUXEsgG2eFKxVg98T3iHpNTQZ1I7eq7LFqfefvd0

[ribbert]

.....Direct from Mike, the owner of Barnett Clutches, who knows more about motorcycle clutches than Noel.....

Randy - RPM

Jeez Randy, don't you get tired of this nit-picking or have better things to do with you time?  You have taken a cheap shot before over a question I hadn't even answered. So, is this the future, somebody asks a question, you imagine what that someone else's answer will be and comment on it even before it's been given. Hmmm, interesting.

As for "Mike", it is, as you are fond of saying, "but one man's opinion" and since when does owning a company make you an expert in what it does. One needs look no further than Trump to see the folly in that. Trump managed to bankrupt business's that in anyone else's hands were a licence to print money, and he did so repeatedly.



Also, the knowledge you attribute to "Mike" is overstating the complexity of a clutch. A motorcycle clutch is an incredibly simple thing in it's operation, the only thing that's remotely complex is the friction material, which in all likelihood, is not even developed or produced in house.

Randy, given your favourable comments about Barnett and your apparent familiarity with "Mike", you would do well to spend an hour or so randomly reading reviews of Barnett clutches from both users and work shops. This will further expand your knowledge and enable you to better serve you customers, and, you might find it interesting.

As for the piston speed and valve post I would love to answer it, it is one of my favourite topics but we seem to be stuck on overfilling sealed bearings, repeatedly taking mechanic jargon literally and your fascination with the word "churning"

Your quote:

Direct from Mike, the owner of Barnett Clutches, who knows more about motorcycle clutches than Noel and the rest of the forum combined, insists on soaking the clutch frictions overnight in the oil they will be operating in.

....but his website says this:


Maybe Mike had better have a chat to his tech dept and find out whats going on!


The most recent advice I gave elsewhere on the matter said this:

"If I remembered, I would dip them in oil prior to installation but if I forgot, I wouldn't be pulling them out just to do it" (This is based on my rule of thumb that anything that operates in oil should be fitted wet)
There's not much difference between a dip and 5 min soak on material that dense. In fact I wouldn't even call 5 mins a "soak"

So it seems Mike's website and myself are the most closely aligned. The only one that seems out of kilter is Mike himself. Maybe Mike doesn't know more than me after all.

You were correct on the float, that was indeed written with brass floats in mind.

You know, that comment of Alan's (Sparky) was just a bit of humour, a throw away line, it didn't even require an answer, until your comments!

Noel 

[krusty]

Hmmmm. Oiling clutch plates. Who'd have thought it?
I'll let my mate in on that little secret, he owns a Ducati. 

[racerrad8]

You know Noel, I was just responding to the fact you have no issue posting you underhanded, snide comments and cheap shots on this forum for many years now.

Hello Captain Obvious...

No shit Alan was joking. I guess since you don't want to joke about it, then I will let it rest.

I can't wait to hear about your personal experience on piston speed being the limiting factor of the FJ engine. I made a new topic for you:  Piston Speed is the limiting factor?

Back to the regular scheduled topic, I hope everyone has a great time this coming weekend.

Randy - RPM