I could really do with some advice please.......

[red]

and based upon my 1990, the pump always starts our clicking away quickly, slows down and eventually stops.  It's supposed to stop when the needle valves shut.
Joe

Thats good to know....thanks.  Also, I have just placed my tank back on the bike and plumbed in the old pump and no dribbles at all.
I can only imagine that my dummy tank hanging on the cieling with a metre of fuel hose is too much gravity for the little pump diaphragm.  

flo3flo,

There will be times when the fuel tank is full, or you park in the sunlight, or the tank vent releases some pressure, but not all of the pressure.  A new fuel pump gives better peace of mind, as does a fuel shut-off solenoid.  I'd like to hear a good source (and price) for that option.  Riding home on fuel-diluted engine oil is not recommended.  Your fuel pump alone should prevent that.  Your carb float needle-valves alone should prevent that.  A fuel shut-off solenoid should absolutely prevent that.  Choose well, you will sleep better.    

[ribbert]

....as does a fuel shut-off solenoid.  I'd like to hear a good source (and price) for that option......

Red, I don't keep records for my bike and the unit has no markings from which it can be identified but I do remember it cost less than $30 delivered from all places, Hungary and included post. That must have been at least 30+k ago and I never give it a thought until someone mentions it here, fit and forget.

You're absolutely right about the peace of mind, I frequently ride to places where waking up to a sump full of fuel doesn't even bear thinking about.

I forget why I chose that particular one but it has a few features in particular I wanted, an inline configuration, the default (no power) position is closed and it has thumb nut to manually open it in the event of power failure or device failure so it can't leave you stranded, although I imagine these last two would be pretty standard.



Every FJ should have one.

Noel

[Pat Conlon]

....Every FJ should have one.

The vacuum petcocks have a safety advantage over the 12v solenoids.

[red]

....as does a fuel shut-off solenoid.  I'd like to hear a good source (and price) for that option......

Red, I don't keep records for my bike and the unit has no markings from which it can be identified but I do remember it cost less than $30 delivered from all places, Hungary and included post. That must have been at least 30+k ago and I never give it a thought until someone mentions it here, fit and forget.  You're absolutely right about the peace of mind, I frequently ride to places where waking up to a sump full of fuel doesn't even bear thinking about.

I forget why I chose that particular one but it has a few features in particular I wanted, an inline configuration, the default (no power) position is closed and it has thumb nut to manually open it in the event of power failure or device failure so it can't leave you stranded, although I imagine these last two would be pretty standard.
https://live.staticflickr.com/902/27273916918_d3cd4aa6a2_c.jpg
Every FJ should have one.
Noel

Noel,

Yep, that one looks good.  The ones I find would not fit into a big coffee mug, and they cost 'way too much.  I suspect that they probably draw some serious current when energized, due to their large size.

Anybody who can help, it would be welcome here.

[ribbert]

....3..2..1..

The vacuum petcocks have a safety advantage over the 12v solenoids.

I'm sure they do.

Noel

[Pat Conlon]

....3..2..1..

The vacuum petcocks have a safety advantage over the 12v solenoids.

I'm sure they do.

Noel

Do you understand why I say that?

[ribbert]

....3..2..1..

The vacuum petcocks have a safety advantage over the 12v solenoids.

I'm sure they do.

Noel

Do you understand why I say that?

No..... but you're clearly itching to tell me, so off you go.....you're the fuel dude....

Noel

[Pat Conlon]

Thought you would never ask....

With the vacuum petcock the fuel flow stops when the engine stops.
With the electric solenoid the fuel flow stops when you turn your key off.
In an accident with the engine stalled, you may not be able to get to the key to turn it off.

[ribbert]

Thought you would never ask....

With the vacuum petcock the fuel flow stops when the engine stops.
With the electric solenoid the fuel flow stops when you turn your key off.
In an accident with the engine stalled, you may not be able to get to the key to turn it off.

Well, if fire is what you're worried about, if the engine is stalled there's no longer an ignition source to start one. As you know, no amount of heat from the exhaust (being the hottest engine part) is going to ignite fuel, it needs a spark.

I've seen many crashed bikes in the places I've worked. Common sources of fuel spillage from an accident are such things as snapped off fuel taps (petcocks), punctured tanks, hoses pulled off dislodged tanks, the pressure wave from an impact can blow off the hoses, pop open the cap or even split a seem, as can deformation.

You have to draw the line somewhere when taking precautions against "what if's ...." and that is an entirely personal choice, for some folks, that can mean never throwing a leg over a bike in the first place.  If I had an accident and couldn't get to the bike to turn it off, it probably wouldn't matter because if it was going to burn, in all likelihood it would have caught fire before it even came to rest. The contents of the bowls is probably enough to fuel a totally destructive fire anyway(IMO)

My own experience, and more recently youtube compilations suggest bikes catching fire from accidents is far less frequent than one might imagine (IMO).

Pat, you are of course technically correct but at the same time drawing a very long bow in assuming a 'perfect storm' of circumstances that I don't personally feel the need to guard against. There are many more things with much shorter odds that are likely to get me first.

Haha, having said that, my bike will probably fall off it's side stand next week and burn to the ground.

Pat, with your love of aftermarket parts in OEM bags this could be the answer:



Noel

[Pat Conlon]

When I think about all the safety gizmos on my '84 like:
1) Run/stop switch 2) clutch safety switch 3) side stand switch 4) self canceling turn signals 5) oil level light 6) fuel level light 7) neutral light 8 ) horn 9) vacuum shut off petcock ....I remember earlier days and the motorcycles I have owned without all these gizmos and how these bikes performed just fine.
Things were simpler back then. If you forgot to turn off your petcock, you flooded your engine. Simple as that. Change your oil and filter and off you went, lesson learned.
Remember next time to turn off your petcock, you dummy.
I never seemed to miss any of these safety gizmos.
I remember in the late '60's the first time I saw that big red run/stop switch next to the throttle and thought to myself....how silly, why not just use the key to turn off the bike?

That said, a lean angle stop switch would have come in handy when I low sided my FJ.
I was out in the boonies and hit sand in the middle of a corner which washed out my front end. My bike ended up on her side 50ft away from me, and with my chest injury I could not move. It took several long minutes before my riding buddy came back. I remember listening as my FJ just laid there on her side, idling, while the lack of oil pressure ruined her engine.

All is good now, actually better thanks to RPM, but a lean angle stop switch would have saved my engine ($$)

Thanks Noel, I'm going to look into adding that switch to my bike.
I'll put it in a readily accessible location so I can easily reset it in the event of a tip over (shudder)

Cheers

[Millietant]

LOL Pat, my first bike didn't even have indicators/turn-signals (let alone self cancelling ones), mirrors, or a brake light switch on the front brake.............oh how good bikes are now as standard these days 

[Pat Conlon]

.....my first bike didn't even have.....a brake light switch on the front brake.

No front brake light switch? Ha!  I had a bike that did not even have a front brake....(you think I'm kidding?)



You really really learned to plan ahead with this one ^^^

[krusty]

Thought you would never ask....

With the vacuum petcock the fuel flow stops when the engine stops.
With the electric solenoid the fuel flow stops when you turn your key off.
In an accident with the engine stalled, you may not be able to get to the key to turn it off.

Well, if fire is what you're worried about, if the engine is stalled there's no longer an ignition source to start one. As you know, no amount of heat from the exhaust (being the hottest engine part) is going to ignite fuel, it needs a spark.

I've seen many crashed bikes in the places I've worked. Common sources of fuel spillage from an accident are such things as snapped off fuel taps (petcocks), punctured tanks, hoses pulled off dislodged tanks, the pressure wave from an impact can blow off the hoses, pop open the cap or even split a seem, as can deformation.

You have to draw the line somewhere when taking precautions against "what if's ...." and that is an entirely personal choice, for some folks, that can mean never throwing a leg over a bike in the first place.  If I had an accident and couldn't get to the bike to turn it off, it probably wouldn't matter because if it was going to burn, in all likelihood it would have caught fire before it even came to rest. The contents of the bowls is probably enough to fuel a totally destructive fire anyway(IMO)

My own experience, and more recently youtube compilations suggest bikes catching fire from accidents is far less frequent than one might imagine (IMO).

Pat, you are of course technically correct but at the same time drawing a very long bow in assuming a 'perfect storm' of circumstances that I don't personally feel the need to guard against. There are many more things with much shorter odds that are likely to get me first.

Haha, having said that, my bike will probably fall off it's side stand next week and burn to the ground.

Pat, with your love of aftermarket parts in OEM bags this could be the answer:



Noel

Eeeeek!! Noticed the postage on that port.

[Pat Conlon]

Eeeeek!! Noticed the postage on that port.

Yea, I saw that.... $41.47 is stupid for US shipping...
It's a very common part available from Partszilla for $4.00 shipping.
https://www.partzilla.com/product/yamaha/5PS-82576-01-00

One reason I never buy oem parts from FleaBay.

[ribbert]

Eeeeek!! Noticed the postage on that port.

Yea, I saw that.... $41.47 is stupid for US shipping...
It's a very common part available from Partszilla for $4.00 shipping.
https://www.partzilla.com/product/yamaha/5PS-82576-01-00

One reason I never buy oem parts from FleaBay.

That's freight to Australia. An OEM (packaged) fuel pump for example with exchange rate and postage is nearly $400!